Congress turns against Pakistan

[toxic_pus]

toxic_pus - In fact Taliban's illegimitacy becomes completely irrelevant considering they were interestered in working via a 3rd neutral country, such as KSA, Pakistan, or UAE. So that's the end of that. Again, Taliban didn't carry out 9/11 and were willing to hand over OBL so any arguments regarding that are basically crack pot.

Void ab initio. Taliban had no locus standi as far as US was concerned.

Taliban didn't carry out 9/11. But they harbored, willingly, a known terrorist and his infrastructure of terror. That itself is a crime.

 

[Developereo]

Again BS. There was evidence linking OBL to Kenya and Tanzania embassy bombings of 1998. OBL was also implicated in USS Cole bombing in Yemen. These events occurred way back before 9/11. You also seem to have forgotten that Clinton had ordered cruise missile attacks on camps in Afghanistan in 1998. One of those missiles failed to detonate and ended up in Pakistani hands, evolving into the Babur cruise missile, you guys so happily flaunt. Seems that you people have limited memory.

Luckily, reality is not obliged to follow your delusions.

U.S. Hard Put to Find Proof Bin Laden Directed Attacks - NYTimes.com

American officials say that so far, firsthand evidence that could be used in court to prove that he commanded the bombings has proven difficult to obtain. According to the public record, none of the informants involved in the case have direct knowledge of Mr. bin Laden's involvement.

Wishful hysterics may be good enough for American warmongers and the Indian troll brigade, but due process requires proof of guilt.

Is it the water?

Water here is fine. Must be something you ate.

Taliban was harboring a noted terrorist. Taliban was NOT recognized by any governments except for that of Pakistan. So pray, how dare you say that Taliban was following "international norms"? International norms apply only to legitimate governments, not the basterd ones.

The US dealt with the Taliban as the de facto government. The Taliban demanded proof of guilt before extraditing OBL. The US refused because they did not have any, so they are the ones at fault.

 

[Developereo]

Void ab initio. Taliban had no locus standi as far as US was concerned.

Taliban didn't carry out 9/11. But they harbored, willingly, a known terrorist and his infrastructure of terror. That itself is a crime.

For the nth time, no proof was provided at the time. I hope Indian courts work better than this.

 

[SMC]

Sure you can go back to the point when someone in middle of Africa suddenly stood up and started to walk on two legs many millenia ago and claim if that hadn't happened nothing would have happened to Pakistan. However, the point is, if Pakistan had conducted itself in a manner that is expected of a rational state, nothing of this would have happened. Your irrationality, symbolised by Taliban, is your cross. No one else's.

Well the fact that Taliban were willing to hand over OBL is really what matters in the end and makes your point about Pakistan supporting Taliban irrelevant in the context. Because the WoT was launched for that reason, not because Taliban carried out some attacks. You can talk about how Pakistan shouldn't have created Taliban, but then you have to acknowledge that US played at least half a part in that. So you can twist it, turn it which ever way you like.

In fact this whole thing about the legality, well it wasns't illegal to support Taliban or support Mujhaideen. So guess what, US could've made the right decision and hand over the proof. Clearly they were willing to deal with the Taliban when needed.

Pretty much relevant. Taliban willing to hand over OBL after they realised that their posterior would be handed over to them, is pretty much useless. They had more than enough time to hand him over. Even before 9/11. For other reasons.

And guess what, they were willing to hand him over long before 9/11. And so what if even they were willing to hand them over when they knew there would a war? How does that matter? They were willing to hand him over, the reasons why become irrelevant.

Because if you want to share evidence with Taliban, then you have to recognize that regime first. A government doesn't share any evidence or info with every person it comes across. That person needs an established legal status. Taliban had none.

Ok, well, it was being done through a 3rd country. And again, US dealt with Taliban before.

I doubt if you actually understand what putting words in one's mouth mean. Anyway, maybe you should go back and read what I have written. It clearly acknowledges US role. Or so I would assume from the phrases 'fought an American war' or 'aiding US doing it'. May be you should pay attention before flying off the handle. Point is, nobody forced you to fight their war. You did it because you felt it would help you in the long run. And that's what got you to where you are today.

No, what's got the region today is because of this WoT. No WoT - none of this would've happened.

I R R E L E V A N T. Dealing is not the same as diplomatically recognizing a regime. We dealt with Israel for 40 odd years. But recognized Israel only in 1991.

But they dealt with them before 9/11. So they could've done the same. Why do they need to recognize them for this? And the fact that this was being done through 3rd country cancels that out.

What they cited, or not, is again irrelevant. Law is law, whether you scream it out from every rooftop or whisper it into one's ears or completely remain silent.

No, in fact, believe it or not, they have to cite that.

I could use the same argument for Iraq war. What US cited was WMDs as the reason for war. If they cited humanitarian grounds, the war may have been legal.

Sure, letting Afghanistan remain under the brutal oppression of Taliban would have been sensible. That evil Yankee...

That's irrelevant as far as why WoT started was concerned.

Keyword is 'also'.


The analogy you cited seemed like you are asking for Pakistan connection. I just gave you that. May be you should be careful about how you construct your analogy.

That's not a connection. He was born to Pakistani parents in Kuwait. I am not sure how that suggests a Pakistani connection. You do understand what a 'connection' means in this context? Merely having parents that are Pakistani is not a connection.

Wonderful. You actually think it is a good thing that Pakistan is clubbed with Somalia and North African countries. WOW. What a defense.

'We are not the only problem in the world. See there is Somalia, North African countries....'

Ah here we go again. I was merely demonstrating a point about the bharati obsession and fixation with Pakistan. And of course you made a completely diversion from that.

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So. How does that prove that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is not a Pakistani. Did I make any other claim?

I was talking about a Pakistani connection. There's none. Since you responded to that, I assumed you were talking about the same.

 

[gubbi]

So now that gubbi has been proven to wrong and in fact is the one deluded, one would at least expect him to have at least some degree of shame and not embarras himself further. But no, it continues. I guess I was right -- 10 years and delusion, and it ain't ending anytime soon. True qualities of a loser.

You havent proved anything, but like a retard keep repeating what you have been saying without as much as doing a little research. Go check facts and then report back boy. WoT goes beyond 9/11. You apparently either have no idea what happened before 9/11 or dont want to know. That is classic willful denial. Be my guest. Such attitude has led to repeated violations of your beloved country's sovereignty.

Rest of your posts, you keep repeating things without showing any understanding of the matter on hand, receiving pats for that denial. Good luck with that.

 

[gubbi]

Well the fact that Taliban were willing to hand over OBL is really what matters in the end and makes your point about Pakistan supporting Taliban irrelevant in the context. Because the WoT was launched for that reason, not because Taliban carried out some attacks. You can talk about how Pakistan shouldn't have created Taliban, but then you have to acknowledge that US played at least half a part in that. So you can twist it, turn it which ever way you like.

That AFTER US made repeated requests for his extradition long before 9/11. That was AFTER US bombed Afghanistan with cruise missiles in 1998. When Taliban and ISI realized that war was imminent and they would lose their strangle hold on power in Afghanistan, they made these hollow soundbites about handing OBL to 'a neutral country'. Anyhow there was NO intention of handing over OBL.
So US and NATO and the world bombed talitubbies back into their shyteholes!! Job well done!

 

[T-Rex]

if they cant take money from US, they will take money from the people. so there will be so much less money for the people

So, your suggestion is that Pakistanis should encourage its corrupt politicians to run after the american pie, right? It shows that indians do not like the idea of Pakisan free from the clutches of uncle sam's 'aids'.

 

[SMC]

Gubbi - yeah, yeah keep telling that to yourself, you iconic imbecile. Yes I know what happened before 9/11, but WoT itself could've been avoided. As for part about Taliban not willing to hand over OBL, clearly it seems you are not interesting in acknowledging the fact that they were willing to hand him over way before 9/11. So like a retard you keep repeating yourself. It's incredibly childish - after being proven wrong again and again, you still try to make it sound as though you actually have a point, when it's competely opposite.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

What i don't get is if everybody is fed up and tired of government why don't the people of pakistan do a egypt like civilian movement.Non violent but gets the message accross.Instead people only call upon god to help them,there is a saying god helps those who help themselves.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

No answer?

 

[somebozo]

Which way will they turn now since Pakistan has been proved innocent by the evidences gathered from obl enclave?
Wait, may be i know..towards New Delhi for new conspiracy theories against ISI!