Congratulations; Religious extremism is knocking at your door.........AGAIN

[Proudpakistaniguy]

It was even a lie when it was created. I will explain. In Islamic jurisprudence and the Quran the world is divided between the believers and non believers.

(1) Muslims
(2) Non Muslims

There is emphatically no differant category of Muslims. Like Muslim A, Muslim B, Muslim C. Skin colour, race, height or other worldly attributes are not considered. In sight of Allah Almighty you are a Muslim period.

Keeping this in mind on 14th August 1947 if Pakistan was indeed created for Muslims, repeat Muslims then any Muslim from any place on Allah's earth could have applied to and recieved Pakistani citizenship. As a test case we have another state created for Jews. It touts itself as a "Jewish state". However it accepts any Jew from any country on earth. African Jews from Ethopia were airlifted under "Operation Moses" to Israel. The only criterion was they were "Jews". That entitled them to be brought to Israel.

Now tell me has Pakistan ever allowed unfettered entry and citizenship to Muslims? If it has why have the Afghans in Pakistan after 30 years still not got Pakistani citizenships? Are they not Muslims? Was Pakistan for Muslims but only one type of Muslim? If so how does that square with the Quran and can we please give up the nonsense about "Muslims" please. Let's have some honesty around here.

Pakistan was created for Muslims of subcontinent i.e those Muslims who were living in region( present India, Pakistan, bangladesh) occupied or ruled by Britain. It was not created for all Muslims around globe lol

Its funny how you complicate things and those who dont respect Pakistan or bringing any sort of security threat to its existence should be kicked out including afghans

 

[Indus Pakistan]

But but but but,the but they but,no comment.

Look at Israeli soldiers today. You will get a Polish, Russian, German, Italian, Moroccan, Algerian, Yemani, Arabs, Black Ethopians etc. They all come from differant parts of the world, speak differant languages, differant cultures but only thing they have in common is they are "Jews".

So Israel was created for Jews. Okay fine that is why any Jew from anywhere can come to Israel. Prove his/her is Jew and get citizenship. Now lets apply the same logfic to Pakistan. Created for Muslims. Oh yeh? Can I get Pak citizenship - I am a Muslim.

No, but, this, that, you, not, this, but, bad, type, but, you, region, but ............................. !!!

Freakin fraud !

 

[T-123456]

Look at Israeli soldiers today. You will get a Polish, Russian, German, Italian, Moroccan, Algerian, Yemani, Arabs, Black Ethopians etc. They all come from differant parts of the world, speak differant languages, differant cultures but only thing they have in common is they are "Jews".

So Israel was created for Jews. Okay fine that is why any Jew from anywhere can come to Israel. Prove his/her is Jew and get citizenship. Now lets apply the same logfic to Pakistan. Created for Muslims. Oh yeh? Can I get Pak citizenship - I am a Muslim.

No, but, this, that, you, not, this, but, bad, type, but, you, region, but ............................. !!!

Freakin fraud !

If you look at it that way,then all Muslim countries are Freakin Frauds.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistan was created for Muslims of subcontinent i.e those Muslims who were living in in region occupied or ruled by Britain. It was not created for all Muslims around globe lol

So tell me how you juxtapose Islam, Muslim and with a British colony? What is so Islamic about a British colony? Just tell me under what Islamic jurisprudence you can discrimminate along the lines of a British colony?

@T-123456 These guys croak Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim day and night but all of a sudden their defintion of a Muslim state shrinks to British Raj. Talk of lack of principled thinking. Suddenly only Muslims of British Raj are "halal". Hell rest of them.

 

[BHarwana]

Look at Israeli soldiers today. You will get a Polish, Russian, German, Italian, Moroccan, Algerian, Yemani, Arabs, Black Ethopians etc. They all come from differant parts of the world, speak differant languages, differant cultures but only thing they have in common is they are "Jews".

So Israel was created for Jews. Okay fine that is why any Jew from anywhere can come to Israel. Prove his/her is Jew and get citizenship. Now lets apply the same logfic to Pakistan. Created for Muslims. Oh yeh? Can I get Pak citizenship - I am a Muslim.

No, but, this, that, you, not, this, but, bad, type, but, you, region, but ............................. !!!

Freakin fraud !

This is today's policy not when Pakistan was created.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This is today's policy not when Pakistan was created.

Well, thanks for being honest. We can only move forward by seeing the flaws and contradictions in our history. Only then can we move forward by having a real and honest understanding. The truth is no country on earth is really a "Islamic Republic".

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

So tell me how you juxtapose Islam, Muslim and with a British colony? What is so Islamic about a British colony? Just tell me under what Islamic jurisprudence you can discrimminate along the lines of a British colony?

I was answering your question that Pakistan was created for whom. It was not created to bring Muslims from all over world as you suggested so your comparison with Jews dont make any sense

and Muslims of subcontinent had fear of oppression and had fears of having no equal social , economical, religious rights in undivided India thats why they demanded separate land for Muslims after British decided or was forced to left this region

 

[RoadRunner401]

Pakistan a country that was made for freedom and dignity of Muslims a Dream that the biggest liberal of the era Quaid-e-Azam Mohhammad Ali jinnah fulfilled for Muslims. Islam is a balance and Pakistan cannot be a country where women roam in Bikinis but Pakistan can also not be a country where Burka is obligatory Islam means to be modest and decent. Liberals should tolerate Mollanas and Mollanas should tolerate liberals. That is Pakistan.

Problem is very simple, we have over the years chosen, incompetent leaders not to mention the generals who appointed themselves as our supreme leaders.

All these people have one thing in common, no leadership skills, no vision, they were and are there for one reason and one reason, only make as much and as quickly as you can, so they said yes to anything and everything that helped keep them in power

What did we think the result of years of miss management was going to be and why are we crying for our own mistake?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

and Muslims of subcontinent had fear of oppression and had fears of having no equal social

I know all that. This then merely cnfirms that Pakistan is at heart a secular state - simply because it puts restrictions on Muslims with the secular qualifier - British India. Whose boundaries and the definition was made by British officials which had secular borders and was a secular construct. There was nothing remotely religious or Islamic about British India. The boundaries/borders were secular creations made by British officials.

Muslims > Religious descriptor
British Raj > Secular descriptor

 

[BHarwana]

Well, thanks for being honest. We can only move forward by seeing the flaws and contradictions in our history. Only then can we move forward by having a real and honest understanding. The truth is no country on earth is really a "Islamic Republic".

I have one question which governance system Islam supports? Democracy Dictatorship Communism or Kingdom?

Problem is very simple, we have over the years chosen, incompetent leaders not to mention the generals who appointed themselves as our supreme leaders.

All these people have one thing in common, no leadership skills, no vision, they were and are there for one reason and one reason, only make as much and as quickly as you can, so they said yes to anything and everything that helped keep them in power

What did we think the result of years of miss management was going to be and why are we crying for our own mistake?

As Allah pak said I will give you a leader that you deserve. We deserved them. Pakistani leaders are not the problem it us who are the problem. We want to be the richest man in a night we are thinking for our selves we have to start thinking collectively.

 

[RoadRunner401]

Excellent point, but how can we start to think like one when we are divided between languages (Punjabi, Sindhi, Blochi, Urdu and Pathan) then we are divided between Sunni, Shia and so on and so on.

 

[CriticalThought]

Written by: BAJWA

Zia-ul-Haq era is known for religious extremism and carrying out many tasks under religious umbrella. It caused great loss to state like sectarian wars, intolerance, interference in every matter of life from religious leaders.

Today, it is happening again as all religious forces are joining hands to topple PML-N government. PTI, PML-Q and PPP are backing them but will it stop here? answer is NO.
We haven't learnt lesson from Afghan war. We used Mujahids against USSR and those talibans started burning our land. So if we are clapping for the Rizvi's act, then we should brace ourselves for extremism and religious bloodshed like Iran and Afghanistan which were liberal states but Mullah destroyed them. I think jinnie is out of bottle and Fatwa's, blasphemy label and other religious violations will be labeled to anyone and he will be killed as "KAAFIR"

May Allah protect my country

You are a religious extremist.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I have one question which governance system Islam supports? Democracy Dictatorship Communism or Kingdom?

Look, Bharwana the truth is the practice of something is 9/10th of it. The recipe for tea is simple. Yet every cup of tea I have in differant house has differant flavour because the person who makes it is differant. Which governance Islam supports depends on who and which interpretation you ask. Saudia Arabia thinks Islam supports the Saud family as regents. Iranian Mullahs think Islam is configured for their thinking. My simple view is unfetterd democracy like they have in Turkey is best. Sovereignty should rest with the elected representatives of the people. If the people are good Muslims their views will feed into the laws of the country via their elected representatives. If they population is bad Muslims then that will also be reflected. Let the people decide.

But we must never have one group of people, like me you or other mortal persons claming they have been duly appointed by Allah. That must never be allowed. That is fraud. All are just humans like me and you and non can claim they have authority of Allah. Unless you see this document duly signed. In which case please let me know and I will bow and follow them.


We must never allow the tyranny of a few claming to represent the almighty to rule us. That is simple fraud.

 

[HannibalBarca]

I have one question which governance system Islam supports? Democracy Dictatorship Communism or Kingdom?

You have to choose your leader...therefore democracy..;but few retarded/twisted King... like a Yazidi moron..;broke that rule...

 

[YeBeWarned]

Rizvi and his supporters are not from south punjab.

Talking about Extremism of all kind , Rizvi is just one scum out of many in this country .