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[DESERT FIGHTER]

I have always maintained that the biggest loser of Partition was the Sindhi Hindu (non Muslim) community as they lost all of their homeland to an Islamic republic. There should have been a partition of Sindh like Punjab and Bengal and Sindhi non Muslims should have had their part of Sindh in India.

 

[Zaalim]

I have always maintained that the biggest loser of Partition was the Sindhi Hindu (non Muslim) community as they lost all of their homeland to an Islamic republic. There should have been a partition of Sindh like Punjab and Bengal and Sindhi non Muslims should have had their part of Sindh in India.

 

[haviZsultan]

It's my first time on this forum and I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but anyway..

Do not hesitate in saying whats on your mind. You have taken one of your first steps in dealing with your problem.

My grandparents were Hindu Sindhis from pre-partition British India, and they remained in Sindh after the partition, but they emigrated to the US a few years later citing violence towards the Hindus and an unstable environment. My mother was born in the States, and she married a guy (my father) from the Sindhi community. I was born in the early 90's in an English speaking household. My parents are proficient in Sindhi, but I never really picked it up because of the environment (you'd be hard-pressed to find any Sindhi speakers in the U.S.) and my lack of interest in the language

Your and my story isn't far different from my own. My parents, both of them were born in a place called Lucknow or region around it. My mothers side hails from a place named Barabanki. We too moved due to persecution among with other reasons including the solid belief in Quaid E Azam and his ideals.

Although I love Pakistan now beyond anything I did realize that this wasn't a solution. All Muslims in India can't and won't go to Pakistan and neither will or can all Pakistani Hindus move to India (though I claim certain regions should have been part of Pakistan). The best option is to find a place in your home country.

It is not impossible. Why do I say so. Because Danesh Kaneria, Rana Bhagwandas, Deepak Perwani, Vajeesh Pertab all made a living in Pakistan and did well. So there is opportunity though of course you can say that does not mean the Hindu community here is in a perfect state of affairs.

I've started taking a keen interest in my heritage as of late, but the thing is that I realised that I don't really have a 'homeland'. My family's from Sindh, but they were ostracised in the years after the partition and made to leave. I guess I have more in common with India than with Pakistan because I happen to speak Hindi well, but I have no relatives in India or any other connection to the country. I don't identify with Pakistan either for obvious reasons (my grandparents went through a lot at the hands of its people... and besides, isn't Islam an integral part of the Pakistani identity? How/where do I fit in?).

See there is no reason, absolutely none that if you are a Hindu you cannot be loyal or love Pakistan. You went through a lot... many people did. I met an Ahmedi who was beaten up at a bus stop. Never said he wasn't Pakistani. Do you know Hindus equally suffered trying to create a Pakistan. Have you heard of a man named Jogindar Nath Mandal? He was the first speaker of the constituent assembly and he was a Hindu. Do you know Cornelius, he was a Christian and was the first Pakistani chief justice and an active member of AIML. So was Zafarullah Khan, an Ahmedi. So Pakistan was an ideal of people regardless of religion. It transcends religion and the assumption or assertion that Pakistan is only for muslims is wrong.

Islam is a part of Pakistani ideology but so is secularism because Jinnah clearly said:

Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.

You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State.

As far as Islam is concerned Pakistan was meant to be a safe haven for not only Muslims but all those oppressed under Indian rule. We were oppressed so we went to Pakistan. My nana married almost all his daughters to Pakistanis because he believed in it. I can see that you are oppressed too and therefore the land of Pakistan beckons you too.

I don't really know how to classify myself and I know it doesn't really matter in the 21st century, but I'm kind of in the midst of an identity crisis. so yeah. any people in my position? I'd love to hear from you guys. Like if I were to visit Pakistan someday, would I be considered a part of the community despite my faith? If I were to visit India, would I be considered Indian or the Indian equivalent to a muhajir but from Pakistan?

In India you will gain no respect. You will be treated as an outsider who doesn't belong. Thats how Hindus were treated who went there from Pakistan. This is not a joke. You can test it yourself. You will be treated as an outsider. And yes. You will be considered a part of the Pakistani community despite your faith. We even have Hindu army recruits. Do you happen to know a man named Dinesh who is now in the army?

@Dalit what say you? I saw you just one day on the forum and then you disappeared. We need a Hindu Pakistani worldview on this forum to make the forum a representative of the entire Pakistani community, including Pakistani Hindus. I would love to see you back on the forum.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

I have always maintained that the biggest loser of Partition was the Sindhi Hindu (non Muslim) community as they lost all of their homeland to an Islamic republic. There should have been a partition of Sindh like Punjab and Bengal and Sindhi non Muslims should have had their part of Sindh in India.

There r a lot of muslims in utter pardesh,kerela,maharastra,bihar,west bengal,assaam etc.What do u think about those areas.They should have been partitioned....huh

 

[Yogijaat]

There r a lot of muslims in utter pardesh,kerela,maharastra,bihar,west bengal,assaam etc.What do u think about those areas.They should have been partitioned....huh

they are better off than pakistani muslims.. why would they want a separate state?

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

they are better off than pakistani muslims.. why would they want a separate state?

Not a seperate state,just Pakistan

 

[EternalJives]

In India you will gain no respect. You will be treated as an outsider who doesn't belong. Thats how Hindus were treated who went there from Pakistan. This is not a joke. You can test it yourself. You will be treated as an outsider.

Yeah, right! I am not sure where did you get this info but your source surely isn't authentic. My parents, when young, (both my mom and her family and my dad and his family) migrated from present day Pakistan to India after partition. My mom family hailed from "Pattoki" and my dad family was from "Muntgumri". They were never treated as an outsider throughout their life. I have heard from both of my grandmothers how glad they were for their decision. They were always treated as one of our own even when they had nothing with themselves when they arrived here.
Infact, most of the present day population in Delhi and along the NH1 corridor (Panipat, Karnal, Ambala in Haryana), whole Punjab and even as far as Patna have a thriving population of people who migrated from Pakistan during the partition and have never been treated as you said they were (and this is coming from personal experience).

Having said that, I do believe, the ethnicity of OP is Sindhi and if he is taking interest in his roots, he should connect the dots in his homeland which is Sindh, Pakistan. He may not feel as well connected to the local populace in India than he will in Pakistan.

 

[jaunty]

There r a lot of muslims in utter pardesh,kerela,maharastra,bihar,west bengal,assaam etc.What do u think about those areas.They should have been partitioned....huh

It is a flawed analogy. Muslims asked for a partition, not non Muslims. They got a separate Islamic country where they were free to move into, that was the deal and many moved accordingly. Did anyone ask Sindhi non Muslims who were at that time close to 35% of Sindh if they wanted the whole of Sindh to be Islamic? No. So it was unfair to them. In comparison non Muslim Bengalis and Punjabis got a part of their state. I am not talking about non Muslims in Balochistan or KPK because they were only a tiny fraction of the population but Hindus formed a sizable proportion in Sindh, so it was not negligible. Hindu Sindhis who migrated to India became stateless people who are scattered throughout many parts of the country. Therefore Hindu Sindhis got an unfair deal.

 

[PakEye]

You are not from our land of the pure, that is only Sunni Muslims are allowed complete freedom here. The rest of Shiites, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Qadianis are tolerated but with blasphemic preconditions. Enjoy your stay in this hilarious forum

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

It is a flawed analogy. Muslims asked for a partition, not non Muslims. They got a separate Islamic country where they were free to move into, that was the deal and many moved accordingly. Did anyone ask Sindhi non Muslims who were at that time close to 35% of Sindh if they wanted the whole of Sindh to be Islamic? No. So it was unfair to them. In comparison non Muslim Bengalis and Punjabis got a part of their state. I am not talking about non Muslims in Balochistan or KPK because they were only a tiny fraction of the population but Hindus formed a sizable proportion in Sindh, so it was not negligible. Hindu Sindhis who migrated to India became stateless people who are scattered throughout many parts of the country. Therefore Hindu Sindhis got an unfair deal.

Those sindhi hindus who wanted to live in a hindu india went there but those who wanted to stay in pakistan stayed here and they love pakistan.simple

 

[Men in Green]

You have relatives in hyderabad? You are a sindhi, you belong to sindh dharti no matter what your religion is it doesn't matter. I am a Sindhi myself.

and me to.
looks like i found my lost brother on PDF.

 

[Men in Green]

I have always maintained that the biggest loser of Partition was the Sindhi Hindu (non Muslim) community as they lost all of their homeland to an Islamic republic. There should have been a partition of Sindh like Punjab and Bengal and Sindhi non Muslims should have had their part of Sindh in India.

Bcz Sindhi Muslims/Hindus love there Dharti "Marsun Marsun sindh na desun"... you never heard that right.

 

[jaunty]

Those sindhi hindus who wanted to live in a hindu india went there but those who wanted to stay in pakistan stayed here and they love pakistan.simple

You did not address my post. So I am not sure what your objection is with my post. The partition was especially unfair to Hindu Sindhis who moved to India because they completely lost their state. Now I know that you would reply with "they should not have moved" but partition was forced upon them, it was not their choice. What I am saying is that a few bordering districts of Sindh should have been included in India. If that required a land transfer from either Bengal or Punjab or both to Pakistan I am ok with that.

 

[jaunty]

Bcz Sindhi Muslims/Hindus love there Dharti "Marsun Marsun sindh na desun"... you never heard that right.

No I have not. I don't speak Sindhi.

 

[arj771]

Look Bro...lets have a Litmus Test
If you feel yourself strong enough from Inside ,Moreover, you are Tall, Brave & Fair in Complexion, then beleive it or not you're PAKISTANI. If thats not the case then definately OPTION B. suits you best

I've never understood the South Asian obsession with our appearances. I've seen a lot of South Asians on the internet openly expressing racist sentiment eg: Indians calling Pakistanis terrorists and scum and Pakistanis calling Indians rapists, dark, short, etc.. It just reeks of the colonial mindset and suggests that we are still mentally colonised by the British to believe that fairer is better. I am quite pale, but I don't see a difference between me and anyone else, and don't understand the obsession with fairness.

Such childish nonsense just scares the South Asian diaspora away from their roots, their community and we should just rise above it instead of resorting to such pettiness. I study in a fairly multicultural high school and there are a few Indians and Pakistanis in my year, and there are smart and attractive people on both sides.



Regardless, I shall go ahead with my plans to visit Pakistan and also check out the northern areas, if I can spare the time.