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Concern over Rohingya crisis is growing in Indonesia

This thread is ridiculous, we got more pressing issue at home like war against terrorism, natural dissaster at several region/provinces, rising of dollar US value against rupiah, National election. I dont get what we will get for standing and backing Rohingyas, the same case happened with Palestinian issues? I just hope our sanity will prevalent against our irrational and biased point of view because of some identity value.


Naturally Rohingya issue will came at the most least prioritize of our national issue.

Palestinian and Rohingya issue have become Indonesian Muslim concerns. It is the fact. Even, Palestinian issue has become part of Indonesian foreign policy for so long, due to Muslim political pressure. As we all know during new order (Soeharto), our foreign minister is always an Arab Indonesian.

Ali Alatas 1988-1999 Indonesian Foreign Minister
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It is not geopolitics kind of thing, it is moral thing. Any President of Indonesia has to be seen as pro Palestinian, and it started as early as 1945, similar like how US President need to be seen as pro Israel due to American Evangelical identity and Jews Lobby. Yes you are right it is part of identity value.

Rohingya issue itself is kind of new for Indonesian compared to Palestinian issue, but since the problem is in our region, and as regional power and ASEAN de facto leader, Indonesia needs to show some kind of leadership to help solving the problem. We have had similar problem before in Kamboja, and at that time we are success to show our leadership. Indonesia during 1985-1990 is much poor than Indonesia today but we were able to help that country.

We have ASEAN, we have already had a good tool to pressure Myanmar government on this issue. Myanmar is not Israel who has US as a backing, and the problem itself exist in our region. We have a moral obligation to solve the problem.

And for the President, in order to win Muslim vote, he also needs to lean toward Islam politics agenda a bit, as has been seen on how he pick his running mate. As we know, Indonesia Today is more conservative than Indonesia 10 years ago. Indonesia in 2008 is more conservative than Indonesia in 1990.

Rohingya issue can be part of our election issue but I am agree that the weight is not as big as other issue which is mostly domestic.
 
You are not a Muslim, Arent you ?

What IF I'am, and What IF I'm not?!

You know I don't want to sound going with ad-hominem however I did notice some of your postings, and I conclude that you just one of those guys who wish to replace Indonesia Constitution and Pancasila with your group own version of ideology (and willing to use violence to do so).

Just FYI I happen to personally knew some members (pengurus) from those illegal organization that you post their pictures above, and including few politician from certain political party who usually back you up (all of them are former high school classmate of mine), and all of them really hate me and every 2 months or so, someone always try to "hack" into all my accounts, which by itself were laughable efforts. There is a saying "You need to learn to stand upright before you walk", and making attempt of "hacking" my system is synonym of learning to run before they even learn how to stand upright.

Look @Indos , I'm full aware your group modus-operandi, you guys usually pick soft target to harass (women) and when confronting a man you guys always bring numbers. Well I'm here to tell you that your not the only one with "friends" (ever heard Bonek 1927)

BTW I'm saying all those above for the benefits for non-Indonesian who may read this, and that's all you will ever get from me, I'm putting you inside my ignore list. I have no business to interact with criminal, terrorist, or anything in between.
 
What IF I'am, and What IF I'm not?!

You know I don't want to sound going with ad-hominem however I did notice some of your postings, and I conclude that you just one of those guys who wish to replace Indonesia Constitution and Pancasila with your group own version of ideology (and willing to use violence to do so).

Just FYI I happen to personally knew some members (pengurus) from those illegal organization that you post their pictures above, and including few politician from certain political party who usually back you up (all of them are former high school classmate of mine), and all of them really hate me and every 2 months or so, someone always try to "hack" into all my accounts, which by itself were laughable efforts. There is a saying "You need to learn to stand upright before you walk", and making attempt of "hacking" my system is synonym of learning to run before they even learn how to stand upright.

Look @Indos , I'm full aware your group modus-operandi, you guys usually pick soft target to harass (women) and when confronting a man you guys always bring numbers. Well I'm here to tell you that your not the only one with "friends" (ever heard Bonek 1927)

BTW I'm saying all those above for the benefits for non-Indonesian who may read this, and that's all you will ever get from me, I'm putting you inside my ignore list. I have no business to interact with criminal, terrorist, or anything in between.

Why dont you admit that you are a minority Hindu (or Buddish).....? As a minority Hindu you do have big mouth and ungrateful to majority Muslim who has protected you since you are kid. Do you still remember with Ahok big mouth that send him to the jail ? And a more recent news where 40 yeard old lady Buddish are sent to the jail for 6-10 month due to her protest to the mosque loud speaker ?

LOL after reformation, Indonesia constitution can be change if MPR willing to do so, you Nationalist and minority cannot go against the new rule (InshaALLAH). Many amendment has already been done.

Talking about Hizbuttahir, this organization is legal under Habibie, Gusdur, Megawati, and Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. Only after you guys lost in Jakarta election, and judicial system send Ahok to the jail Nationalist power element in Jokowi camp (PDI-P) try to fight back by banning Hizbuttahir.

For your information, banning Hizbuttahir is not weakening Islam politics at all and make the score 1:1. HTI is a small organisation with dangerous and stupid idea. Banning HTI makes Islam politics able to focus all of the resources into a better and clever fight, which is through democracy system. Current system is very accommodating our interest and goal.

Hizbuttahir want to make Khilafah. LOL Stupid idea. Why dont make a more clever one like Islamic NATO. No need to eliminate nations to bring Muslim unity. Thats why eliminating HTI is a very good idea for us.

Talking about Pancasila, it is not made by Soekarno, but by Moehamad Yamin, thats why our Islamic Tauhid foundation become Pancasila first pillar, the most important ones. The other Pancasila pillar is still posses Islamic value. Pancasila is very Islamic, we are very comfortable and satisfied with it.

Before you accuse me as terrorist, first you need to learn basic politic. Here, I educate you that there is always an Islamist and a Nationalist in Indonesia (and other Muslim nations). Our nation is made by compromise between the two power. You cannot accuse me as terrorist if I am in the side of Islamist (Political Islam).

The Islamist have made huge contribution to the nation. The one who fight in the independence war are majority the Islamist, even our first TNI (Armed Force) leader is Sudirman who is a Muhammadiyah activist. Many Islamist in Masyumi become prime ministers during our independence war. The Islamist also become the power to scrap the communist (with the help of anti Communist Armed Force general like Soeharto). And the Islamist also play big rule in reformation (Amien Rais). Islamist is contributing to the nation technology (including all of state defense companies) since Habibie is an Islamist.

Many maybe also accuse all of the Islamist are in Prabowo camp. False. Many are supporting Joko Widodo (Jokowi), including me. Yusuf Kalla is an Islamist as well, who is pro Anis Sandi. Overall Jokowi has made good progress. But if Jokowi go against Islam (by even saying something wrong about Islam) just like what Ahok did, All of the Islamist will be united again just like in Ahok case and it is that is feared by Jokowi. Thats why Jokowi pick Ma'ruf Amin who is a hardliner Islamic cleric to be his running mate. As we know several Islamic party are also in Jokowi camp, Islamist power in this election is not united.




 
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Chinese hate muslim, that is also a fact! Uyghur is also a well known case. Brutal truth hard to swallow? :cry:
I'm worried China's support for Myanmar Junta supports this. If China didnt hate muslims why would it support genocider Myanmar govt at this current time? its bad and sad.
 
I'm worried China's support for Myanmar Junta supports this. If China didnt hate muslims why would it support genocider Myanmar govt at this current time? its bad and sad.
International politics for major nations isn't based on hate or love, it is interests. Hate or love of individuals are often counter to actual national interests.

China didn't do anything rash when Myanmar bombed Chinese farmer across the border and sent refugees fleeing to China.
https://america.cgtn.com/2015/03/13/4-chinese-farmers-killed-by-myanmar-bomb
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...anmar-seek-refuge-across-border-idUSKBN16G0QQ

Why is Myanmar important to China? Its location is strategic and enables access to the Indian Ocean from otherwise landlocked South West China. The relationship between China and Myanmar is still in the process of development, and China doesn't want to risk Myanmar inviting US troops/bases as they have threatened to do so previously. As Myanmar is China's neighbor, stability of that nation's state is important to China's interests.

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What are China's options for a more favorable Myanmar? China can encourage a peace process through dialogue, which China is doing. China can put immense political and economic pressure on Myanmar but that would risk other major powers moving in to fill that space and currently China hasn't gotten to the point of doing that. Or China can overthrow the government and install a new one. That option has many other undesirable side effects as seen in American staged coups in Central American nations.
https://thediplomat.com/2018/08/chinas-stake-in-the-myanmar-peace-process/

America supports Central American dictators because it helps their security situation at home. Every major country has a sphere of influence or buffer zone that they maintain. It prevents close contact with an antagonistic major power in order to increase security for its homeland.
https://wais.stanford.edu/USA/us_supportforladictators8303.html

The game China is playing is much bigger than bilateral relations with any neighboring nation, it is a great power struggle with the US within China's home region. Unfortunately when a nation neighbors an unstable/undeveloped nation that is in a region of great power competition (like Myanmar), costs of undesirable events needs to be absorbed as necessary cost for greater security. It has little to do with Muslims as Myanmar has internal conflicts with all its major ethnic groups in the world's longest civil war.

This is geography, and that is very difficult to change. If Myanmar was a neighboring Muslim majority state, China would support it just the same.
 
We have several sources to get close to the conprehensive truth, including a large number of victim's memoirs and physical disability remained. Your description is one aspect, the actuality is much much cruel and bloody.
Indonesia tried Chinese genocide in 1998. Chinese will not forget. I don't feel sorry for rohingya.
 
What weed you are smoking??

The May 1998 riots of Indonesia (Indonesian: Kerusuhan Mei 1998),[1] also known as the 1998 tragedy (Indonesian: Tragedi 1998) or simply the 1998 event (Indonesian: Peristiwa 1998), were incidents of mass violence, demonstrations, and civil unrestof a racial nature that occurred throughout Indonesia, mainly in Medan in the province of North Sumatra (4–8 May), the capital city of Jakarta (12–15 May), and Surakarta (also called Solo) in the province of Central Java (13–15 May).

Justice for Buddhist Chinese.


1998 riot happened during Asian financial crisis mainly due to disparity of wealth. It's not about Muslims vs Buddhists, many Chinese Indonesians are Christians, Daoist, or without denomination. Ethnic Chinese are never deprived of citizenship. Can't be compared with state persecution of Rohingya Muslims.
 
Harsh comment bro.

Soulless, heartless, have no empathy.
The fake caring of Rohingya by other Muslim countries are worse. In fact they are being used as pawns for political objectives.
It's harsh reality but deep down inside you know no Muslim countries or western countries care what happens to Rohingya.
 
The fake caring of Rohingya by other Muslim countries are worse. In fact they are being used as pawns for political objectives.
It's harsh reality but deep down inside you know no Muslim countries or western countries care what happens to Rohingya.
The "fake caring" of Rohingya happened because real genocide against them was done by their govt. Are you not objective enough to see that Rohingya were genocided and that is just ethically and morally wrong? At the enod of the day, Chinese govt will regret its support for Myanmar govt after it genocided its people. Kind of like Pol pot all over again.
 
The "fake caring" of Rohingya happened because real genocide against them was done by their govt. Are you not objective enough to see that Rohingya were genocided and that is just ethically and morally wrong? At the enod of the day, Chinese govt will regret its support for Myanmar govt after it genocided its people. Kind of like Pol pot all over again.

Joker, you forget it's Murika or british support and help the woman steps on the top position.
 
Joker, you forget it's Murika or british support and help the woman steps on the top position.
I agree and thats very weird and bad now. But that doesnt change the fact that your govt is actively shielding Myanmar military heads who committed genocide. All the Chinese on PDF can come out against me on this, i know what is right, and in case of Rohingya, what is right is the truth and the truth is they were systematically massacred and chased from their rightful home/land. If Ang Su Ki was involved in any meaningful way in this fiasco she must also pay the cost.
 
I agree and thats very weird and bad now. But that doesnt change the fact that your govt is actively shielding Myanmar military heads who committed genocide. All the Chinese on PDF can come out against me on this, i know what is right, and in case of Rohingya, what is right is the truth and the truth is they were systematically massacred and chased from their rightful home/land. If Ang Su Ki was involved in any meaningful way in this fiasco she must also pay the cost.

Shielding 200000 Kokang in last years, China last year took out a military drill there to warn its military actions near Chinese border. We don't know Mynamar will listen to China or not. They are clear that they have Murika supports, what the fuking hell others can do. Damn it, China is only able to maitain relative peace of north Myanmar connecting to China.
 
Shielding 200000 Kokang in last years, China last year took out a military drill there to warn its military actions near Chinese border. We don't know Mynamar will listen to China or not. They are clear that they have Murika supports, what the fuking hell others can do. Damn it, China is only able to maitain relative peace of north Myanmar connecting to China.
Well China was/is supporting rebels in Myanmar..so part of the refugees in China+ Myanmar strike in China are related to this. China has helped rebels in India and Myanmar, so that already means China's hand is dirty. Just stating facts bro.Murika wanted Myanmar for the same reason it "wants" North Korea and Iran- new untapped markets for US products and services. I bet China has/will not deliver free relief aid to muslims.
 
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