Comparison of Pak India MBTs

[Mujeeb47]

Arjun:
More than 50 ton
72 km/hour Speed
450 Km Operational Range
6-8 Rounds per minute
No Anti Tank Missile
20% Night Efficiency
120mm rifle gun
(Fires APFSDS , HE , HEAT , HESH , LAHAM missile)
12.7mm Anti Aircraft Machine Gun
7.62 coaxial machine gun
Manual Loader
4 crew members
*
Al-Khalid
Less than 50 ton
72 Km/hour speed
6-7 rounds per minute
Anti-Tank missile
80% night efficiency
125mm smoothbore gun
(Fires APFSDS , HEAT-FS , HE-FS , 9M119 Refleks missile , Pakistani DU rounds , Naiza 125mm rounds)
12.7mm external Anti Aircraft Machine Gun
7.62 coaxial machine gun
Auto Loader
3 crew members

 

[shrivatsa]

20% night efficiency ? whats that

 

[Rain]

First, comparing the tanks is very difficult until and unless u know the armor doctrine that each army have, once u kno the armor doctrine then u can say wether a certain tank fulfills the objectives or not.
Secondly, tank performance depends on among other things ammo it will use and crew that will use it.
thirdly, as modren warfare is not gun verses gun or Tank verses tank, it will be an integrated warfare act where all defense systems n resources will be used in an integrated manners, thus we have to see how Pak or India use their tanks and what elements will be attack to them in a future war.

im my humble opinion having state of arts system is not sufficient to win a day, so to have a better tank does not ensure good result in a war. for reference please see military history.
regards

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

What is the Total Number of tanks pakistan and India have???

 

[farhan_9909]

Al khalid at present are better then arjun because of in service

arjun is in service bt further production line is stopped till arjun MkII is ready which is few years away

arjun size is nt big bt t/w ratio is nt better because 1200HP engine to equipt the 58 ton tank on the other hand Al khalid has 1200HP enggine and weighs 48 tons

Al khalid has systems from few other countries like french,china,pakistan and ukraine this is something like MKI of indian IAF

personally i think Al khalid is better then the present arjun i dnt knw about the Arjun MKII.

about t-90

Al khalid is old now..and Al khalid I is in production lines.
so if i compare Al khalid I with T-90 bhisma then i get comparable to slightly Al khalid Better.

quantity wise india is in gud position bt again as per their army chief their 80% of tanks are night blind

then again it put question mark on their quatative edge

 

[Capt.Popeye]

First, comparing the tanks is very difficult until and unless u know the armor doctrine that each army have, once u kno the armor doctrine then u can say wether a certain tank fulfills the objectives or not.
Secondly, tank performance depends on among other things ammo it will use and crew that will use it.
thirdly, as modren warfare is not gun verses gun or Tank verses tank, it will be an integrated warfare act where all defense systems n resources will be used in an integrated manners, thus we have to see how Pak or India use their tanks and what elements will be attack to them in a future war.

im my humble opinion having state of arts system is not sufficient to win a day, so to have a better tank does not ensure good result in a war. for reference please see military history.
regards

THANK YOU for posting (probably) the "most logical" argument on this thread. Everybody else got so wrapped up in Gun Caliber, Engine BHP, Armor and what not. The tanks are designed to serve a particular "military doctrine". That is why tanks are so different from each other (in some cases) and so similar to others (in some cases).
How those tanks fit into (or are integrated into) that doctrine has relevance to defining how "good" that tank may be.

 

[Jango]

So ?? Is this a family sedan to have more mileage ?? heck it is a tank and we can afford the fuel costs.



http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/95660-arjun-mark-ii-israeli-view-must-read-5.html#post1528518

Man u say that u can afford fuel costs while on natgeo tata or suzuki are giving ads that india is a country obsessed with mileage......the indian is asking trhe russian general about the capabilities and then says" KITNA DETI HAI".......and u say we can afford fuel costs. LOL

 

[Jango]

i know that this is off topic but the israeli merkava 4 is said by israelis to be the best tank around......so does the arjun have capabilities like israeli tanks if it has been produced by cooperation by israel???.....

 

[blackops]

Al khalid at present are better then arjun because of in service

arjun is in service bt further production line is stopped till arjun MkII is ready which is few years away

arjun size is nt big bt t/w ratio is nt better because 1200HP engine to equipt the 58 ton tank on the other hand Al khalid has 1200HP enggine and weighs 48 tons

Al khalid has systems from few other countries like french,china,pakistan and ukraine this is something like MKI of

personally i think Al khalid is better then the present arjun i dnt knw about the Arjun MKII.

about t-90

Al khalid is old now..and Al khalid I is in production lines.
so if i compare Al khalid I with T-90 bhisma then i get comparable to slightly Al khalid Better.

quantity wise india is in gud position bt again as per their army chief their 80% of tanks are night blind

then again it put question mark on their quatative edge

1200 Hp mate its 1500 hp

 

[blackops]

Man u say that u can afford fuel costs while on natgeo tata or suzuki are giving ads that india is a country obsessed with mileage......the indian is asking trhe russian general about the capabilities and then says" KITNA DETI HAI".......and u say we can afford fuel costs. LOL

Lamo bhai that is for family cars this the dumbesr reply and reason ever

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Man u say that u can afford fuel costs while on natgeo tata or suzuki are giving ads that india is a country obsessed with mileage......the indian is asking trhe russian general about the capabilities and then says" KITNA DETI HAI".......and u say we can afford fuel costs. LOL

You forget that TATA or SUZUKI are selling their vehicles to ordinary citizens who have to pay for fuel from their own pockets.
While the ARJUN tanks are being bought and run by the Govt. of India, which owns the Oilfields and Oil Refineries and Oil Companies which make the fuel to put into the tanks. There is a difference.

If I buy an ARJUN tank, I will have to try and run it with an auto-rickshaw engine.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

Keeping other things aside ,couple of things i like about arjun are.
1-It's rifled 120mm gun.A rarity which just challenger 2 enjoys.
2-Capable of firing LAHAT missile.

I reckon why don't you people opt for going to APAM rounds; a very effective round(multipurpose) and easily available for you guys too..... "Made in Israel."

 

[Manticore]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/land-f...omparison-contempory-tanks-10.html#post988980

is a thread , which has managed to have a top 15 list of mbts aswell as new prototypes--- without particularly degrading any tank -- you couldve found the answers there or asked a question there

 

[Jango]

the ordinary citizen gets his money from his job and tey get money at the end through govt.....so if the people are generally poor then the govt is also poor....

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

my countribution to this useless thread is appended below:

PAKISTANI TANKS ARE BETTER THAN INDIAN TANKS. SO PAKISTANI GENERALS AND INTERNET WARRIORS CAN REST IN PEACE.

mods can we now close this useless thread?