Coercion Sabotage Or Incompetence :---

[MastanKhan]

$10-12 Bn was a huge amount.. How Musharraf was going to pay for it?? through the defence budget or something very secret in our budget known as "Contingent Liabilities"... Do you know who gets Contingent Liabilities budget and how it is used?? For 2016-17 Contingent Liabilities budget is 190 Bn.



I guess Su-35 deal isn't suiting Pakistan and I hope J-11B will be second choice of PAF. Do you the details of the deal between BD and China for 50 J-10s?

Hi,

We had around 5 billion dollars---a nice fair deal would have been done with that.

We just made a wassteful deal of 8 subs with 5 billion dollars---.

We could have split it 2 ways or 3 ways to compliment all the forces.

It doesn't make sense to get a spear without gunpoint.

For me, J10/JF17/F16 is only for national air defense, Su35/J16/J20 is for playing offensive strategy.

You need twin engine fighter especially when you operate on the high sea to run anti-ship missile. PAF doesn't have platform to run anti-ship mission, what if the threats is coming form enemy's CBG? Subs along won't do the magic.

F16 has 900KM combat radius while J16 has 1500KM.

J16 can carry heavy type of YJ12 supersonic ASM , CJ10 cruise missile and YJ62 sub sonic ASM. F16 can only carry medium weight ASM. With J16 at hands, PAF can attack India CBG from multi directions.

J16 also can carry PL15 VLRBVRAAM, targeting enemy's AWACS and Refuling aircraft. With J16D you can run SEAD much more easily.

For PAF, J16 means much more than J10b/c does.

I think J16 also can deliver nuclear bomb.

PAF will consider J16 cause they like the number 16?

Hi,

As the JH7B is out of the picture---the J16 would the perfect aircraft for that role----.

 

[帅的一匹]

Don't worry Mastan bro. If PAF chief said PAF can't make it tomorrow without J16. j16 will arrive the day after tomorrow, money is never be a major problem between Pakistan and China.

We can offer anything PAF want, but we just can't dictate what PAF want.

 

[Globalwarrior]

I hope someone drills into top brass of paf to forget about F-16s. Ain't going to happen. Not in the current US climate.
Stop living in lala land !!

 

[Reichsmarschall]

If China can sell J10b to BD, means we can offer anything to Pakistan theoretically.


Even 5 millions a peice copyright fee per J16 sale, China will pay for it. We can't ask Pakistan to burden the cost.

As India again provoke along the border by sending Puppet Dalai Lama to "Arunachal Pradesh", we will respond them at any cost, selling J10b to BD is one of them. And we will push stronger relationship with Pakistan sooner, something is in the making as well.

i think the best ever reponce will be to sell nuclear subs to Pakistan Indians will lose their sleep when they came to know that

 

[salman-1]

It doesn't make sense to get a spear without gunpoint.

For me, J10/JF17/F16 is only for national air defense, Su35/J16/J20 is for playing offensive strategy.

You need twin engine fighter especially when you operate on the high sea to run anti-ship missile. PAF doesn't have platform to run anti-ship mission, what if the threats is coming form enemy's CBG? Subs along won't do the magic.

F16 has 900KM combat radius while J16 has 1500KM.

J16 can carry heavy type of YJ12 supersonic ASM , CJ10 cruise missile and YJ62 sub sonic ASM. F16 can only carry medium weight ASM. With J16 at hands, PAF can attack India CBG from multi directions.

J16 also can carry PL15 VLRBVRAAM, targeting enemy's AWACS and Refuling aircraft. With J16D you can run SEAD much more easily.

For PAF, J16 means much more than J10b/c does.

I think J16 also can deliver nuclear bomb.

PAF will consider J16 cause they like the number 16?

J-16 is a different platform than J-11D in which PAF has been testing on. I think PAF is more interested on J-11d as it's built with Russian assistance on Su-35 pattern.
PAF has now more strike power on naval side as beside Mirage-5 excocet Jf-17 are integrated with C-805akg anti shipping, plus reportedly 50 rounds of Akg-400 super cruise missile with Mach 4 speed of anti aircraft carrier or bigger surface ship. PAF is also evaluating Yj-12 for Jf-17s

 

[帅的一匹]

i think the best ever reponce will be to sell nuclear subs to Pakistan Indians will lose their sleep when they came to know that

Good idea.does PN ever bring up the request?

 

[salman-1]

It's C-802 not 5 my mistake

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Good idea.does PN ever bring up the request?

ofcourse we are looking for SSBNs

 

[帅的一匹]

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J-16 is a different platform than J-11D in which PAF has been testing on. I think PAF is more interested on J-11d as it's built with Russian assistance on Su-35 pattern.
PAF has now more strike power on naval side as beside Mirage-5 excocet Jf-17 are integrated with C-805akg anti shipping, plus reportedly 50 rounds of Akg-400 super cruise missile with Mach 4 speed of anti aircraft carrier or bigger surface ship. PAF is also evaluating Yj-12 for Jf-17s

J11D is for air superiority, nothing to do with Su35 exactly.

ofcourse we are looking for SSBNs

Said China is building four type 096 SSBM at once.

 

[el nino]

Don't worry Mastan bro. If PAF chief said PAF can't make it tomorrow without J16. j16 will arrive the day after tomorrow, money is never be a major problem between Pakistan and China.

We can offer anything PAF want, but we just can't dictate what PAF want.

If money is no issue between pak and china then why are China
Charging five billion dollars for 8 submarines
Why they charging 30 million each for the third tier jf17 fighter
And finally why they charging 8% interest on 30 billion loan to build cpec
Why are all.the jobs in cpec going to chinease workers

Stop talking nonsense money is no issue brother you sound like a falso flagged pakistani be careful using brother word it's not the trait of a chinease person

 

[帅的一匹]

I'm a atypical Chinese, I'm not a Pakistani. Why so many Indians say I'm a Pakistani? Maybe I stay in this forum long enough.

 

[Mentee]

In the day of Stand Office Weapons, the core air force is structured as a network centric arm of the larger conventional and strategic forces at large, with duty to protect Pakistani Air Space from first wave and second wave attack, and to interdict the enemy trying to achieve air dominance.

see , your whole narrative is based on being defensive . Thank you for making a dent in the nation's aggressive psyche . Vo ay gy to hm chup k maray gy or chupay rhy gy jb tk vo bhaag nae jaaty. Ku k hm bohat achay bachay Hain ---

As for the Stand off weapons , they dont work for too long when the enemy is smashing you step by step with you having a lil access to enemy's crystal balls due to their intensive Sam coverage. And we don't even have a decent Sam network, that too with reference to numbers ---

Don't believe the tirades, the propaganda, the false flag depressive statements.

suppose , Pakistan army's strike formations begin to roll into the enemy territory , is there any guarantee that our soldiers won't end up in a situation like what happened in longewala ? I mean if paf is busy in repelling that first and second wave of the enemy assault, who'd provide air cover to our advancing soldiers ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

ofcourse we are looking for SSBNs

No chance of getting SSBN but may we will get SSGN from China, SSBN is the strategic weapon of superpowers how they sell or lease their strategic weapon to another country, give me a one example that SSBN was sold to another country

 

[IceCold]

suppose , Pakistan army's strike formations begin to roll into the enemy territory , is there any guarantee that our soldiers won't end up in a situation like what happened in longewala ? I mean if paf is busy in repelling that first and second wave of the enemy assault, who'd provide air cover to our advancing soldiers ?

I think there is a strong realisation within army that in such scenario PAF will be stretched too thin and this is why i think systems like FM-90 and LY-80 are inducted by the army and not airforce. While LY-80 is to provide SAM coverage to strategic assets FM-90 IMO will be to provide cover to forward army formations.
Having said so this still does not constitute for a decent air cover provided by PAF which unfortunately will not be there since apart from F-16s, all other platforms are short legged including JF-17. With CFT range can be extended but than it will be at the cost of payload and this is where a twin engine fighter comes in the scenario. Its not about standoff weapons only IMO, a twin engine plane has enough payload to deliver on enemy areas and than fight its way out with A2A weapons and does not need escort while planes like JF-17 or Mirages will need escorts, meaning more assets will be deployed for counter attack on Indian targets since none of PAF planes can carry sufficient A2A and A2G weaponry compared to Indian MKI and future Rafale.
PS no disrespect meant to Sir @Bilal Khan 777 or any other veteran. I have great respect for your reviews. Just sharing an opinion.

 

[Mentee]

No chance of getting SSBN but may we will get SSGN from China, SSBN is the strategic weapon of superpowers how they sell or lease their strategic weapon to another country, give me a one example that SSBN was sold to another country

India leased Russian nuke subs