COAS arrives in Germany, meets counterpart

[SQ8]

Off course Sir Air Chief is going to visit Russia soon. I also didn't believed this until one man who has friends in PAF confirmed this. Apperantly two or three guys are playing role of middleman

Ok sure, we'll see what we see.

 

[Taygibay]

But looking at it, it has a higher payload than Rafale even if it carries three drop tanks.

Right there is the best example of why answering you is tough.
Rafale carries 2 tons more payload than Typhoon, 9.5 to 7.5T.

As for range with payload,

3- 2000L, 6- AASM, 2- BVR, 4 BVR/short range.​

Let's do this again once you've checked the real numbers, OK?

Have a good day, Tay.

 

[Jaanbaz]

My friend just to let you know....Hitler is really unpopular in modern Germany and it will not win you any friends in the mainstream Germany...yeah may please some neo-nazies. I don't know what have you been led to believe about Hitler and Germany but it is coming from someone who has visited and studied in Germany.

Pakistanis think Hitler is a well loved public figure in Germany, mostly bad education and a bit of hatred for Jews.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Pakistanis think Hitler is a well loved public figure in Germany, mostly bad education and a bit of hatred for Jews.

Its a South Asian thing, except for the Jews part.

 

[Blue Marlin]

My countrymen post a lot of things I dont agree with.

The Pakistan airforce will operate 80 F-16's, 150 JF-17s and 55 F-7PG's till 2025-2030 when it is expected that a 5th generation project will be inducted to replace and F-7PG number and then add some more.

so if your getting 150 jf-17's wont that mean the block 3 would be the last block since you have inducted 50 per block. i thought it was 250 jf-17s
pakistan should have 450 fighters
going by your numbers pakistani would have 285 fighters and how many mirages will you have left? since you need them to launch sow's. or do you have another bird in mind to replace them followed by the j-31

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

apparently theyres word of them talking about a potentail deal in this case of the coas in germany its just a meet and greet visit the french dropped out of the ft2000 so now its the eft with the uk germany italy and spain as the partners. the uk is the largest partner only by a hairline yet we ordered way more than germany.

The EFT future is now in the limbo after Brexit.
Most of the Trench 1 aircraft are being put on sale. Spain offered 20 or so, Austria all 16, Italy 8 and now Germany but there are no buyers.

COAS has taken his training in Germany hence he visited. However there are some other reports of naval personnel who are looking at certain stuff. Most probably that is to do with Turkish Milgem.

Idk but Pakistan has been increasing cooperation with Italy lately as per pdf , and I guess they don't any problems with UK or Germany either so perhaps there can be a deal between EFT-consortium and Pakistan. Though expensive but it will allay woes of their airforce.

There is no interest or wish to buy the Typhoon. The issue has less to do with terrorism, more to do with meeting EU anti-corruption standards in kickbacks and bribes.

Zarvan is perfectly right Adalbert! Of the original 4 partners, all rescinded the last 3-B tranche.
Of these, the UK and Italy are already receiving F-35 Lighting II. Germany has no future plans.

And of all the partners, only the UK has shown intent to make that nice machine evolve / keep up.
They financed and saw through to completion most new capacities as the upcoming AESA radar.

Sources would be too numerous over 30 years but check here from 2 years ago for an example :
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303636404579393103247459842/
from when Deutschland officially dropped Tranche 3-B.

Tiger however might be a good choice for Pakistan; it did well in A-stan, let's hope it works!

Have a great day, Tay.

so if your getting 150 jf-17's wont that mean the block 3 would be the last block since you have inducted 50 per block. i thought it was 250 jf-17s
pakistan should have 450 fighters
going by your numbers pakistani would have 285 fighters and how many mirages will you have left? since you need them to launch sow's. or do you have another bird in mind to replace them followed by the j-31

These might be supplemented by JF-17B. Most probably 70 as LIFT and 30 OCA taking them to the required numbers of 250 aircraft.

 

[SQ8]

so if your getting 150 jf-17's wont that mean the block 3 would be the last block since you have inducted 50 per block. i thought it was 250 jf-17s
pakistan should have 450 fighters
going by your numbers pakistani would have 285 fighters and how many mirages will you have left? since you need them to launch sow's. or do you have another bird in mind to replace them followed by the j-31

Pakistan should have a lot of things but budgetary constraints have different ideas.
All Mirages are to be replaced by JF-17s although it is possible that the VEF's may soldier on till the 5th gen comes along.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Pakistan should have a lot of things but budgetary constraints have different ideas.
All Mirages are to be replaced by JF-17s although it is possible that the VEF's may soldier on till the 5th gen comes along.

well its all down to money i think of it as the jf-17 replacing the j-7's and the mirages are left un accounted of
about 190 j-7 for 150 jf-15 leaving50 odd pg's and the 70 and the 80 mirage III/v's left empty. which is another 150.
and you gottan think of replacing the f16's sooner or later.
i would expect the f16's being replaced by the j-31
so this leaves the 150 jet void which need to be filled. i would suspect the role being interceptor/bomber and theres only 2 birds on the market that fir the bill but im nnot gonna bother saying what they are as im sure you figured it out and yes there both expensive. so now what ? swap the f16's replacement with the mirages so it would be 150 j-31's and you can order j-20 form china if you ask nicely. thats one way i can see you fill the gap and come to think of it. its a good plan too as to have more 5th gen fighters.

the indians will say look at our s400 with a 400km range and bla bla bla but thats the instrument range not detection range. a 5th gen bird with a rcs of 0.05 meter squared can get as close as 90 km with out being seen and you have ir guided glide bombs to dealth with them. the takbir and the h- have ranges of >=120km.

oh and the 50 pg's need replacing to at one point so its best having 200 jf-17's or j-31's

 

[Khafee]

Euro Fighters can come. Many Euro Fighters users are planning to retire Trench 1

@Blue Marlin Is this true? If so who, and how many?

 

[SQ8]

@Blue Marlin Is this true? If so who, and how many?

Absolutely false and baseless reports.

 

[Zain Malik]

I have the same point.....
COAS visit to Germany was specially for the talks of Eurofighter but these talks were classified...
@Zarvan @AZADPAKISTAN2009

 

[Blue Marlin]

Absolutely false and baseless reports.

im guessing you have not read the white paper then

@Blue Marlin Is this true? If so who, and how many?

of the 53 tranche 1's we have about 20 of them will be retired but the end goal is to retire al 53 of them
BUT the 20 being retired are being stripped for parts and the other 30 could be retired too. heck even austria is retireing their typhoons and countries like spain and italy can retire upgrade and sell them for if made a good offer. why scrap a bird when you can upgrade it and sell it on and make a bit of money of it. mind you this is hypothetical. but if they wanted typhoons in larger numbers at a low cost this is how it would be done.

 

[SQ8]

im guessing you have not read the white paper then.

The white paper details it for the UK, not for Germany; this is where the visit came from did it not?
Moreover
, even that is not happened in the UK.

 

[Blue Marlin]

The white paper details it for the UK, not for Germany; this is where the visit came from did it not?
Moreover
, even that is not happened in the UK.

well we the uk are retiring our t1's i dont know about the germans but it would be likely also.
in regards to the typhoon in this case of your coas being in germany, there is no relation if you acm was there then it would be more probable. the germans said the usual congrats on the wot bla bla bla.
if you want typhoons it would be best to aproach either italy or the uk the later being easier as its the largest shareholder and final assembly is held in the uk too.
also we are moving away from the typhoon and are looking to replace the tornados with a sixth gen fighter which is a joint venture. this is nothing to do with pakistan but somthing i digged up whilst digging up parliment questions

 

[SQ8]

well we the uk are retiring our t1's i dont know about the germans but it would be likely also.
in regards to the typhoon in this case of your coas being in germany, there is no relation if you acm was there then it would be more probable. the germans said the usual congrats on the wot bla bla bla.
if you want typhoons it would be best to aproach either italy or the uk the later being easier as its the largest shareholder and final assembly is held in the uk too.
also we are moving away from the typhoon and are looking to replace the tornados with a sixth gen fighter which is a joint venture. this is nothing to do with pakistan but somthing i digged up whilst digging up parliment questions

Currently news says the T1's are going nowhere; as they are suited to ADA and will be focused on it.
I dont want typhoons and neither does the PAF anymore.