Closure of Pak Afghan Border building Into Humanitarian Crises IK

[The Vicious Kind]

Bro. muree talks were happening back in 2015. which were dismissed with the death announcement of Mullah Umar by afghanistan in July 2015. we are talking about 2016.

coming to GSP status, it didn't helped us to fill the difference between our Imports and exports. worth nothing to me.

we still have a huge trade deficit.



so as per your "assessment" , agar border itna he porous hay to phir aik "gate" band karne se kia hasil hona ??? care to explain ?

The closing of the gates was significant , since most of the trade flows via Torkam and Chaman . Since Afghans import most of there wheat from these gates. It was a clear message , that we mean business and get your shit together.

As for the porous border, well the terrain on Afghan border is much worse than say, the Mexican-US border. Building a sophisticated Border system to curb total movement "Completely" is frankly impossible to achieve. There are deserts ,mountains , rivers and not to mention thick jungles like tirah valley.

 

[alibaz]

These scoundrels always make common Afghans to pay the price. They attack our post and then beg for treatment of their soldiers in our CMHs. Before taking any action, Afghan government must evaluate its consequences. Either they should eliminate TTP, BLA, BRA, LJA and Ahrars etc or seek US help or tell us we will sort these out. But agar dil hi harami ho aur dushmano k sath mila ho to phir bardasht kar Mr Ghani.

 

[singlefighter]

The reason for the extension was to buy time for the registration of the obedient law abiding afghans ,who are well integrated into KP. However, make no mistake ,as per NAP and other APCs there is complete consensus on the fate of illegal afghans in our country, there is only disagreement on how are we going to expel them, since you cant just simply throw out 3 million people overnight. We cant put them in cages just like the Iranians did to them in the 80s .They are all going to be expelled its only a matter of time , just like fata is going to be integrated into KPK.

And this racial , Punjabi vs Pushtun bs here in this thread is moronic , i live in Lahore and today as i was traveling i saw countless ordinary lahories wearing Peshawar Zalmis shirts.

They will not learn the nationalism they always follow the racism

 

[kabooter_maila]

Closure of Pak-Afghan border building into humanitarian crisis: Imran
FAHAD CHAUDHRY — UPDATED about 4 hours ago
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Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan, in a Saturday meeting with Afghan Ambassador Omar Zakhilwal, expressed his sympathies for the people stuck on either side of the recently closed border, DawnNews reported.

In a tweet following the meeting, Khan said: "Closure of Pak-Afghan border is building into a humanitarian crisis. The two governments need to cooperate effectively on cross-border terrorism."


Both leaders also exchanged views on Pak-Afghan relations and were in agreement that negotiations between the two countries should resume at the earliest.

The Afghan ambassador highlighted the challenges faced by the Afghan people stuck on the Pakistani side of the border, to which the PTI chief said that urgent steps must be taken to help the stranded.

The PTI chief also emphasised that talks between the two countries must be expedited so as to allow cross-border movement of trucks carrying import and export goods.

In another tweet, Khan reiterated that "those with valid travel documents and perishable goods should be allowed to cross border to mitigate the suffering of ordinary people on both sides."


The hour-long-meeting was held at Khan's residence in Bani Gala, Islamabad.

The closure of the border crossings was ordered by Army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa on Feb 16, hours after militants struck Lal Shahbaz Qalandar's shrine in Sehwan, killing 90.

All traffic between the two countries has remained suspended since then, creating logistical difficulties for landlocked Afghanistan, which conducts most of its external trade through Pakistan.

A large number of Afghan nationals have also been stranded in Pakistan by the decision.

Pakistan has frequently used border closure to express its annoyance with Afghanistan on different issues.

This time, the military closed the crossings to pressurise Kabul to take action against terror outfits that it accuses of taking up sanctuary on Afghan soil and directing attacks from there.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1318397/c...order-building-into-humanitarian-crisis-imran

The onus lies with the government of Afghanistan. We cannot allow terrorists coming into our country from Afghanistan with un-recorded entry. The Afghan government needs to take responsibility to prevent foreign terrorists organizations (such as Indian RAW, etc.) from using Afghan soil and people for launching terrorists attacks in Pakistan. Afghan government must stop acting as a helpless prostitute who loves raped and abused. Afghan rulers need to take control of their own affairs. If they use Indian card against Pakistan, we'll not allow that. We have lost thousands of innocent lives to the terror attacks originating from Afghanistan. Not even single life is lost in the so-called humanitarian-crises though.

 

[RealNapster]

The closing of the gates was significant , since most of the trade flows via Torkam and Chaman . Since Afghans import most of there wheat from these gates. It was a clear message , that we mean business and get your shit together.

As for the porous border, well the terrain on Afghan border is much worse than say, the Mexican-US border. Building a sophisticated Border system to curb total movement "Completely" is frankly impossible to achieve. There are deserts ,mountains , rivers and not to mention thick jungles like tirah valley.

OK. now you are just repeating yourself.

Here ,you are emphasizing that Pak-afghan border is very hard to secure. So i ask you again, "what difference will it make for a terrorist, who can cross this border anywhere he wan't" ? why would a terrorist "wait" for the gate to be opened ? He have a Long Long 2400 kilometer's line. he can cross in from anywhere right ?

SO . do this close "gate" really effect a terrorist ? answer this

 

[Winchester]

OK. now you are just repeating yourself.

Here ,you are emphasizing that Pak-afghan border is very hard to secure. So i ask you again, "what difference will it make for a terrorist, who can cross this border anywhere he wan't" ? why would a terrorist "wait" for the gate to be opened ? He have a Long Long 2400 kilometer's line. he can cross in from anywhere right ?

SO . do this close "gate" really effect a terrorist ? answer this

The closure of border is meant as a punitive action against the Afghan state and the people for their continuous support of anti-Pakistan elements.

If the closure of the crossing is hurting the average Afghan than it is doing exactly what it is intended for. Imran Khan as we saw during early years of the war on terror is naive and doesn't have any grasp on the national security issues facing Pakistan. On top of that he is an ego-maniac who thinks he knows better than anyone else.

 

[RealNapster]

The closure of border is meant as a punitive action against the Afghan state and the people for their continuous support of anti-Pakistan elements.

If the closure of the crossing is hurting the average Afghan than it is doing exactly what it is intended for. Imran Khan as we saw during early years of the war on terror is naive and doesn't have any grasp on the national security issues facing Pakistan. On top of that he is an ego-maniac who thinks he knows better than anyone else.

I guess you are right. continue

 

[Menace2Society]

The closure of border is meant as a punitive action against the Afghan state and the people for their continuous support of anti-Pakistan elements.

If the closure of the crossing is hurting the average Afghan than it is doing exactly what it is intended for. Imran Khan as we saw during early years of the war on terror is naive and doesn't have any grasp on the national security issues facing Pakistan. On top of that he is an ego-maniac who thinks he knows better than anyone else.

Collective punishment is the cure. Kunar and Nuristan should be shelled with depleted uranium shells.

 

[The Vicious Kind]

OK. now you are just repeating yourself.

Here ,you are emphasizing that Pak-afghan border is very hard to secure. So i ask you again, "what difference will it make for a terrorist, who can cross this border anywhere he wan't" ? why would a terrorist "wait" for the gate to be opened ? He have a Long Long 2400 kilometer's line. he can cross in from anywhere right ?

SO . do this close "gate" really effect a terrorist ? answer this

Please read my post carefully, never once did i say that , closing the gate would reduce the influx of terrorists . I said that it will effect trade and put pressure on the afghans to take tangible actions against JMA and Ttp .

Unfortunately , we dont have the technology of freakin "Terra-forming" the entire border into open planes, so it will take atleast half a decade to check every afghan that enters our territory and even then , there is no guarantee that a few talibs wont slip in . The only way we deal with this , 1) we take actions against the three hundered madrassas that have been categorized as high risk and have had connections with terrorist in the past . 2) We put unrelenting pressure on the ANA to take action against TTP and JMA . 3) We gradually and steadly expel all the Afghans ( and avoid harassing our Pakistani Pushtun brothers in the process).

 

[RealNapster]

Please read my post carefully, never once did i say that , closing the gate would reduce the influx of terrorists . I said that it will effect trade and put pressure on the afghans to take tangible actions against JMA and Ttp .

Unfortunately , we dont have the technology of freakin "Terra-forming" the entire border into open planes, so it will take atleast half a decade to check every afghan that enters our territory and even then , there is no guarantee that a few talibs wont slip in . The only way we deal with this , 1) we take actions against the three hundered madrassas that have been categorized as high risk and have had connections with terrorist in the past . 2) We put unrelenting pressure on the ANA to take action against TTP and JMA . 3) We gradually and steadly expel all the Afghans ( and avoid harassing our Pakistani Pushtun brothers in the process).

so even i agree. let's allow them cross who are currently on border. and then close border for whatever time span you want. even opening border for 4 hours will be sufficient. agree ??

 

[Imad.Khan]

I dont believe so...

There are many tribes in pashtuns...

Kabulis have a culture of bachay baazi as well... which is unheard off in pak pashtoons....
There are differences

You are an idiot if you think Bachay bazi is part of their culture. Its like saying that Bachay bazi is culture of Kasur people.

Yes and Tajiks of Tajikstan and Afghanistan are the same people racially and so are the Uzbeks of Afghanistan and of Uzbekistan.

Thank you for such an informative post

Maybe he was a bit insensitive ,but stop living in the delusion that you and an afghan pashtun are the same. The reality is that the people in KPK are themselves fedup by afghans. Ask any policeman in Peshawar and he will tell how Afghans bhattakhors harass their "Pashtun brothers" . Ask any KPK farmer and he will tell you how he is ripped off as his crops are smuggled out into Afghanistan.

The fact of the matter is that most Pakistani Pashtuns also see the afghans as a burden and want them to leave their country and province.

All Pukhtoon whether from Pakistan or Afghanistan are racially the same people, you saying that we arn't, has ZERO value.

Now about the rest of your post, there are good and bad people where but labelling the whole nation as bad is called bigotry. How do you feel when someone calls all Muslims as terrorists, or they call that all Pakistanis are terrorists. Isn't it hurtful? But we are doing exactly the same thing when it comes to Afghans?.

The Afghans are going back, let them go back with love and respect not with anger and hatred.

Now this in no way means that we should be nice to the government of Afghanistan. The people and the government are 2 different things.

 

[Kabira]

imran khan can keep them in KPK not all over pakistan

Not really. Its like opening border for urdu speakers from UP/Bihar and saying as long as they stay in Karachi it should be ok. Even nationalist parties like ANP are not openly against afghan going back but behind the scenes they would rather not for politic vote bank. This is why they try to turn any crack down against afghanis in to crackdown on pakhtuns in general.

We know afghanis has been coming to Pakistan from 1947 to late 70's for one reason or another. But now government have set date of 1979 to give citizenship. In theory any afghani who can't prove being in Pakistan before 1979 can't get CNIC.

 

[Safriz]

Imran Khan is a lobotomous idiot.
Afghan government was asked to take action against terrorist operating from their country against Pakistan and provided evidence.
In response Afghan government simply refused.
We are losing innocent lives due to Afghan stupidity and have the right to take action.
Sealing the borders with Afghanistan was the most logical step after the recent spike in terrorism in Pakistan. All terrorism had links to Afghanistan.
Whatever happens in Afghanistan as a result of this blockage is Afghanistan fault.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Imran Khan is a lobotomous idiot.
Afghan government was asked to take action against terrorist operating from their country against Pakistan and provided evidence.
In response Afghan government simply refused.
We are losing innocent lives due to Afghan stupidity and have the right to take action.
Sealing the borders with Afghanistan was the most logical step after the recent spike in terrorism in Pakistan. All terrorism had links to Afghanistan.
Whatever happens in Afghanistan as a result of this blockage is Afghanistan fault.

well atleast let the Afghans go that were already going back. Whats the point not letting them go back

 

[Arsalan]

I would agree with this and you would also feel sorry for the innocent Afghan living on both the sides of the border, especially those affected by this. In the longer run we need to think about our survival, borders should remain closed as long as Afghans facilitate and harbor terrorists.
@Arsalan ,@The Eagle

It was a knee jerk reaction to the increased violence and terrorism in Pakistan and the absolutely cold response of Afghan authorities. The first and obvious choice was to make everyone stay where they are, conduct a search and evaluation operation and root out the culprits on our side while making sure on one is crossover over there their. If we leave the patriotism and affiliation aside for a moment, EVERYONE will see this as the obvious reaction. A survival instinct!

However for the long term, you are right that this is unfair (plight of the stranded Afghans and even more so of those who have returned to there country) but what i can assure you that this wont be implement in the wrong term. Once a few more weeks pass things will start returning to normal. People with valid documents wont be bothered in long run. Surely there will be more checks in place from now onward for both, people coming in and those living inside already, but that is in line with the internationally increased security procedures.