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CIVIL WAR HAS STARTED AGAIN !

Do you think Awamileague fell into its own trap??

@ Ofcouse, Awami Leaque is now in a thick soup ------------

@ Just now I heard in the TV where Awami Ministers are now changing their statement. Some are saying that " No ! No ! though the law we have made, it now depend on the court. Some says, how can we punish an organisation definitely we will punish the people who all were involved on it".

@ On the otherhand, great Surenjet Sen said "Why the govt is throwing the matter on the court again it should be a political decision ".

@ I am worried what would happen once Middle East including Saudi Arabia will evict 5 million workers from their country. You remember few days ago when 29 lawyers from Turkey visited the International Tribunal Primises. People says these were not only Turkey people there were many came from Egypt and other member of Muslim Brotherwood. It means Muslim countrfies are highly annoyed on it.
 
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Situation is getting interesting..... Its no more Shahbag Vs Jamat...... Now the mullahs are taking the lead ( For Indians------ jamatis have 1/2 inch long beard and mollas have 4 inch long beard :lol: ...) ..........

Hathajari Head declared Shahbag as Unislamic, dancing and singing around candle light..... Most Importantly they accused that Shahbag protestors are sponsored by Ahmadia industrialists .....
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Though Jamatis are very few 5-10% of total population, Mullahs are a Huge group............

1. Hathajari is the biggest institution of Islamic learning in Asia after Deoband, which it is affiliated with.
I personally know a Maulana from there.

2. Jamatis are hated in Bangladesh and are not considered mainstream, but Deobandi Maulanas are considered part of mainstream Bangladesh (i.e. not beyond the pale e.g. rezakars/Jamatis) and they are very powerful.

Due to the 'ulama (scholars) the secular Hasina government could not cancel Quranic-based inheritance laws.

3. Angering the Jamatis who enjoy little support is no big deal, but angering the 'ulama who have mass support e.g. Tableeghis gather 5-6 million people in Dhaka every year is something the Awami League cannot do.

- The Deobandis hate Maudoodi and dislike Jamat (though some Jamatis say they do not follow Maudood in Aqeeda - doctrine - but in politics). I do not think most of them would speak out much if Jamat was banned or some of their leaders were executed. However it is things like janaza for Rajeeb (an Islam hater) and certain things about Shahbagh which have angered them.


This is bad, bad news for the Awami League who if they had any sense would have sent representatives to Hathajari and to Deobandi 'ulama about the whole war crimes process when they first started it.

The Awami League are definitely in trouble now.

Some feel they got scared of the last round of Jamati riots so the court handed Qader Molla imprisonment rather than a death sentence. So basically they got scared and backed down.

Now with Qader Molla not even facing a death sentence but a life imprisonment (which the BNP might probably cancel) this new Jamati hartal may scare the Awami League away from banning the Jamat and executing their leaders.

The Awami League are definitely stupid.

The aspirations of 90% of Bangladeshi society for a fair and free apolitical trial to bring to justice war criminals may now be being destroyed by the corrupt and inept Awami League regime.

After decades of campaigning for war crimes trials, the petty-minded and power-hungry Awami League may have blown everything.
 
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1. I have said I am opposed to violence against any Bangladeshi.

This includes the deaths of Jamatis (excluding convicted war criminals). I hope you say the same about the girl, Lucky, who was hospitalized which the Jamati-supporters on this forum were gloating about.

2. "Civil war" (i.e. nationwide riots in the cities) will only lead to more deaths.

In the long run we must eradicate the culture of political violence and terrorism which the Awami League are by far the biggest perpetrators of.

In some other post you advocated for ban of JeI which would obviously lead to violence. Now you say you are opposed to violence. This is contradictory unless you think banning JeI wouldn't lead to violence. In that case what are the reasons behind your conviction?
 
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In some other post you advocated for ban of JeI which would lead to violence. Now you say you are opposed to violence. This is contradictory unless you think banning JeI wouldn't lead to violence. In that case what are the reasons behind your conviction?

Are you a Jamati supporter/sympathizer?

What's with this obsession with you attacking me at any opportunity and making inaccurate statements about me as you did last time?

If Jamat were to be banned, would you support their violence?

Never seen you ever condemn Jamati violence, probably because you support it.
 
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:angel:your army is used against your own civilians

In India’s remote northeast, civilians challenge rape, killing by security forces
By Simon Denyer, Published: February 18

IMPHAL, India — Tens of thousands of Indian troops are deployed to these remote borderlands, their mission to fight a decades-long armed separatist rebellion.

But for years, residents here have alleged that security forces have also waged a separate war of rape and murder of civilians, one they continue with impunity because federal law virtually prohibits the prosecution of soldiers in conflict zones.

Now, 1,500 miles away in the capital of New Delhi, there is a new demand to change that. A committee established last month in the wake of mass protests over a gruesome gang rape recommended that the law be reexamined. At the very least, the Justice Verma Committee said, soldiers accused of rape should be tried under civilian law.

But the government has dragged its feet. Although it implemented many of the committee’s suggestions for new protections for women in an emergency ordinance passed this month, the recommendation to curb the armed forces’ immunity was set aside. The government said it was reluctant to tell the army what to do.

While the New Delhi protests prompted India to reexamine its treatment of women, the debate over soldiers’ immunity — and the dark history in the border region — have underscored the limits of the power of India’s democracy to effect change when it comes up against entrenched vested interests such as the army, a supposedly apolitical institution that wields significant influence.

“We can’t move forward because there is no consensus,” Finance Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram said in a recent speech on national security, according to local media reports.

Referring to the immunity law by its full name, the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act, or AFSPA, Chidambaram continued: “The present and former army chiefs have taken a strong position that the act should not be amended. . . . How does the government move forward . . . to make the AFSPA a more humanitarian law?”

The Defense Ministry declined to comment.

Here in the state of Manipur, where a local human rights group has documented 1,528 alleged extrajudicial executions and many cases of rape and sexual assault carried out by the police and army in the past three decades, the stalling of momentum has caused little surprise.

In 2004, soldiers arrested 32-year-old Thangjam Manorama Devi in the early morning, then left her bruised and bullet-ridden body by the roadside a few hours later. Police forensics experts concluded that she had been tortured and shot at close range while lying down. They also found evidence that she might have been raped.

For months afterward, the tiny hill state on the border with Burma erupted in protest. A group of women made national headlines when they stripped naked in front of an army barracks and held up a large banner that read “Indian army rape us.”

But the Manipur incident changed nothing.

For eight years, the Indian government has blocked the release of a judicial investigation into Manorama’s death, fighting a long legal battle that has now reached the Supreme Court, nor has it made any move to prosecute those responsible.

A committee that was formed to review the AFSPA concluded in 2005 that it should be repealed. But its findings were never officially released — although they were eventually leaked — nor were they implemented.

Meenakshi Ganguly of Human Rights Watch, a watchdog group, said the pressure the army is bringing to bear on the government over the issue is “extremely worrying in a democracy.” Others, including Sanjoy Hazarika, a member of the 2005 commission that demanded the law be repealed, say the government is equally to blame.

Manipur, with a population of little more than 2 million, is tiny by Indian standards, and the country’s economic development of the past two decades has largely passed it by. Most of its residents are Hindus but are of Tibet-Burman origin and are thought to look more Burmese than Indian; they feel their countrymen look down on them. An armed separatist rebellion began here in the 1960s and has led to about 20,000 deaths.

For 12 years, a Manipuri woman, Irom Sharmila, has been on a hunger strike against the armed forces act. Having been convicted in court of intent to take her own life, she is under police guard in a hospital and force-fed through her nose.

Last week, Sharmila, 40, emerged from the hospital for a biweekly appearance in court, and, in an interview outside the courtroom, while being flanked by two female police officers, Sharmila said she was not optimistic that the government would relent any time soon.

The formation of committees is a tactic to deflect public anger, she said in halting English, and the people of Manipur are not given the respect accorded to other Indians.

“They treat us like stepchildren,” she said before police whisked her away.

Across town, 37-year-old Neena Ningombam has cared for her two children alone since her husband was taken away by police in November 2008. A few hours later his body, with a hand grenade planted next to it, was shown on television, supposedly that of a rebel killed after attacking the police.

In one sense, Ningombam is lucky. Witnesses saw her husband being arrested, and they have not been intimidated into silence. A local magistrate who investigated the case found that her husband had never been involved in a militant group and that he was killed in what is known here as a “fake encounter.”

Babloo Loitongbam of Human Rights Alert, a local rights group that has documented the alleged rapes and extrajudicial executions, said members of the security forces who kill militants are rewarded with cash, medals and promotions.

“An incentive structure has created vested interests in the army and police just to kill people on the flimsiest charges,” he said, “while the judicial process has completely failed.”

With Loitongbam’s help, the widows of Manipur are fighting back. Responding to a petition they have filed, the Supreme Court appointed a respected three-
person team last month to look into the alleged extrajudicial executions. Yet another committee of inquiry, it could nevertheless put more pressure on the government to roll back what residents describe as a cloak of impunity shrouding events in Manipur.

Like the other widows of Manipur, Ningombam continues her legal battle to clear her husband’s name.

In an opinion piece last week, Hazarika, the member of the 2005 commission and an expert on northeastern India, called the law an “abomination.”

“How many more deaths, how many more naked protests, how many more hunger strikes, how many more committees, how many more editorials and articles and broadcasts before AFSPA goes?” he asked.

© The Washington Post Company

the best army super duper power Indian army deployed to take down her own civilians:lol:
the govt of india did not asked the army to go on killing spree or rape anyone,unlike in your country by pakistan... these are really unfortunate events and the criminals should be booked,but it is also a fact that you are cherry picking stray incedents..anyways,you have fell into your own trap :lol:...you only said in your previous post that india is likely to become another lawless country like af or pak,torn in a civil war...and in the next post gave proof how the armed forces are maintaining
law and order with iron hands... seems you have run out of ideas :lol:
 
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In some other post you advocated for ban of JeI which would obviously lead to violence. Now you say you are opposed to violence. This is contradictory unless you think banning JeI wouldn't lead to violence. In that case what are the reasons behind your conviction?

@ Many a time I wrote that this Hammer-fist writes contradictory statement. He himself does not know what he is writing !!!!
 
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@ Many a time I wrote that this Hammer-fist writes contradictory statement. He himself does not know what he is writing !!!!

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LOL

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You have serious reading comprehension difficulties. There is no contradiction in what I said not that your partisan pro-Jamati mind would understand that as you think anyone who is not Jamati is automatically Awami League failing to grasp that there are many Bangladeshis who do not like any political party.

Also banning JeI is not an act of violence. It is a legislative act.

Burning cars and killing people is violence.

Learn to read properly and stop using exclamation marks and question marks everywhere e.g. "!!!!!"...."??????"

It is seen as aggressive and a breach of netiquette.
 
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Are you a Jamati supporter/sympathizer?

What's with this obsession with you attacking me at any opportunity and making inaccurate statements about me as you did last time?

If Jamat were to be banned, would you support their violence?

Never seen you ever condemn Jamati violence, probably because you support it.

The question should be what an indian rasakar like you is doing here on PDF? You should be on the indian defence forum where you can spread your hatred and lies against jamaat in style.
 
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Are you a Jamati supporter/sympathizer?

What's with this obsession with you attacking me at any opportunity and making inaccurate statements about me as you did last time?

I assume(d) you are honest about your statements. When your two statements apparently contradicted each other I asked clarification for at least one to avoid misunderstanding.

If Jamat were to be banned, would you support their violence? Never seen you ever condemn Jamati violence,

My support (or the lack of it) for their violence wouldn't affect the likelihood of an upcoming violence once they are banned. Anyway, I condemn any forceful observance of strikes (by way of vandalizing, burning public/private properties, in brief, forcing one to observe a strike) be it called by any party or organization. That's a breach of fundamental democratic rights.

probably because you support it.

"Either you are with us or with the terrorists." (Fallacy of false dillema)
 
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aazidane lost his control :lol: .even al-zakir can't think about killing the RAB officials :rofl: .sicko
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my bad i meant chatra league
it is quite easy to shut dhaka down, all you need is to
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shoot down a couple of rab officials"
@aazidane do not think irrational.
1. beating law forces' people still considered as bad behavior no matter how much they are corrupted ( which will lead to call jamat as terrorist group).
2. As for RAB concern, shooting down RAB officials will be bad move for jamat. you know RAB has been designed for counter terrorism, provoking RAB will not be good idea, they are basically army personnel. And you know when RAB go in operation, they do not care about laws they just shoot and kill (thats why they are being highly criticized)
 
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so true. in bd bhai means brother and in INDIA specialy bollywood bhai means ram gopal verma's shooting crews or chota chetan ,tiger memon or dubaiwala :D .ok in my area or most of the bd there is a food named puri .when i was a kid there was a streethocker and he said to me nephew never ask for the puri in shylet .i asked why kaka? he said if you ask you want eat puri in shylet they will cutt you . i said wtf and why!! :what: he said puri means girl in shylet ;)
The same so called 'Bhai's who wanted to kill us so that they can acquire our lands an d properties? The same 'Bhai's, in fear of whom we have to spend days in fields and refugee camps? The same 'Bhai's where being hindu is a more severe crime than being a murderer?

No thank you, Sir.
 
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