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I am not negating anything infact i am saying that if ur allegations are right then it is a serious issue.

Brother but as i afraid u are comparing lng shortage news 2019-20 with electricity expense of 2018-19.

I am not against critisizing PTI on performance but we should raise right issues with right data to make a difference. However, if i am critisizing PTI it does not mean that i am going to approve PMLN as i strongly believe that this mess is a result of PMLN and PPP.

The biggest example is purchase of solar electricity at 25 rupee per unit vs 5.5 rupee by india during similar timelines.

So if pti is doing something wrong then i will critisize them but as a financial expert i am giving a professional opinion that financial management of pti is much better infact financial decision of pmln were to destroy economy of Pakistan.

For the current increase in circular debt they have repeated the same practice giving PO to Furnace oil and diesel based power plants of cabinet members ,for recovery there performance has gone down from 96%to 80% where PESCO tops as usual .where PTI is for 7 years now .

Taking total debt to Rs2150b, PTI govt adds Rs962b to power circular debt in less than 2 years

Islamabad-The government of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has added Rs962 billion to the power circular debt during less than two years of its tenure taking the

nation.com.pk

Taking total debt to Rs2150b, PTI govt adds Rs962b to power circular debt in less than 2 years

CIRCULAR DEBT | From June 2019 to June 2020 circular debt gone up by almost Rs532 billion

https://nation.com.pk/Reporter/fawad-yousafzai
Fawad Yousafzai
July 20, 2020

Islamabad-The government of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has added Rs962 billion to the power circular debt during less than two years of its tenure taking the total debt to Rs2150 billion, official documents reveals. On average Rs481 billion per year was added to the circular debt in 2018-19 and 2019-20, official documents available with The Nation reveals. As per the data in June 2018, the country’s total circular debt was Rs1126 billion which has gone up to Rs2150 billion till June 30th, 2020. In June 2013, when the PML (N) came into power, the total circular debt was Rs308 billion, which included Rs68 billion payable to IPPs and Gencos and Rs240 billion PHPL debt. In their first year in office, the PML (N) government had accumulated Rs213 billion in circular debt and on June 2014 the total debt reached to Rs 531 billion. In fiscal year 2014-15 the circular debt was increased by Rs 119 billion reaching to Rs 650 billion. In FY 2015-16, 2016-17 and 2017-18 the circular debt was increased by Rs 39 billion, 130 billion and Rs 307 billion respectively. During the five years tenure of PML(N) had increased by Rs 808 billion, whereas during the first less than two years of PTI government it increased by Rs962 billion.

In June 2018, just one and a half month before PTI coming into, the country’s power sector circular debt was Rs1126 billion which included Rs544 billion payable to IPPs and Gencos and Rs582 billion PHPL debt. From June 2018 to June 2019 Rs492 billion added to the circular debt and had taken the total debt to Rs1618 billion. The power sector circular debt had reached to Rs1618 billion as the payables to IPPs and Gencons had hit Rs812 billion mark and loans and liabilities parked in PHPL (Power Holding Private Limited) stand at Rs806 billion. From June 2019 to June 2020 the total circular debt has gone up by almost Rs 532 billion to Rs 2150 billion. Monthly wise accumulation of circular debt has also been increased during PTI first year to Rs 41 billion per month.

During the five years tenure of PML (N), In FY 2013-14 the circular debt accumulation was Rs18.583 billion per month, in 2014-15 Rs9.917 billion per month, in 2015-16 Rs3.250 billion per month, in 2016-17 Rs10.833 billion per month and in 2017-18 Rs25.583 billion. During PTI first year in office (August 2018 to June 2019) around Rs430 billion were added to the circular debt at the average of Rs41 billion per month. In the second year of the incumbent government in office total of Rs532 billion were added to the circular debt at the average of Rs44.33 billion per month.

The monster of circular debt

Pakistan's power sector shows that the nation experiences transmission losses, high tariffs, absence of planning and improper policies. These escalate the energy crisis. This crisis in Pakistan is the

www.pakistantoday.com.pk

This is total power politics where efficient power plants are shut down but expensive ones are on .

 

[The Accountant]

For the current increase in circular debt they have repeated the same practice giving PO to Furnace oil and diesel based power plants of cabinet members ,for recovery there performance has gone down from 96%to 80% where PESCO tops as usual .where PTI is for 7 years now .

Taking total debt to Rs2150b, PTI govt adds Rs962b to power circular debt in less than 2 years

Islamabad-The government of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has added Rs962 billion to the power circular debt during less than two years of its tenure taking the

nation.com.pk

Taking total debt to Rs2150b, PTI govt adds Rs962b to power circular debt in less than 2 years

https://nation.com.pk/Reporter/fawad-yousafzai
Fawad Yousafzai
July 20, 2020

Islamabad-The government of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has added Rs962 billion to the power circular debt during less than two years of its tenure taking the total debt to Rs2150 billion, official documents reveals. On average Rs481 billion per year was added to the circular debt in 2018-19 and 2019-20, official documents available with The Nation reveals. As per the data in June 2018, the country’s total circular debt was Rs1126 billion which has gone up to Rs2150 billion till June 30th, 2020. In June 2013, when the PML (N) came into power, the total circular debt was Rs308 billion, which included Rs68 billion payable to IPPs and Gencos and Rs240 billion PHPL debt. In their first year in office, the PML (N) government had accumulated Rs213 billion in circular debt and on June 2014 the total debt reached to Rs 531 billion. In fiscal year 2014-15 the circular debt was increased by Rs 119 billion reaching to Rs 650 billion. In FY 2015-16, 2016-17 and 2017-18 the circular debt was increased by Rs 39 billion, 130 billion and Rs 307 billion respectively. During the five years tenure of PML(N) had increased by Rs 808 billion, whereas during the first less than two years of PTI government it increased by Rs962 billion.

During the five years tenure of PML (N), In FY 2013-14 the circular debt accumulation was Rs18.583 billion per month, in 2014-15 Rs9.917 billion per month, in 2015-16 Rs3.250 billion per month, in 2016-17 Rs10.833 billion per month and in 2017-18 Rs25.583 billion. During PTI first year in office (August 2018 to June 2019) around Rs430 billion were added to the circular debt at the average of Rs41 billion per month. In the second year of the incumbent government in office total of Rs532 billion were added to the circular debt at the average of Rs44.33 billion per month.

The monster of circular debt

Pakistan's power sector shows that the nation experiences transmission losses, high tariffs, absence of planning and improper policies. These escalate the energy crisis. This crisis in Pakistan is the

www.pakistantoday.com.pk

This is total power politics where efficient power plants are shut down but expensive ones are on .

Brother I have few queries with you. If you can sort them out for me.

1. Do we have excess capacity where we can shut down 1 plant and continue others?
2. If we have excess capacity then why do we still have load shedding ? it was still there in PMLN tenure till end as well. It was reduced significantly but it was there.
3. Which power plants are being given excess PO despite being expensive and which are not despite being cheap. I will try to find out the financials of those plants with my resource and (if i succeed in getting the financials) i swear on Allah if you right I will release these numbers on media. Need your help to expose them (if you know what are you talking about).
4. Now one tough question. Why does the circular debt rate is increased in first year? first year is too low for taking any decision as a quickest time to get a policy change in power sector is not less than 3 years. Then who is responsible? Low recovery, I guess anyone can take a plea of Corona shut down, people loosing businesses and jobs. But what about other factors? Are we procuring expensive electricity and selling cheap? Who is responsible for setting up these expensive plants? Is it PTI?
5. Who agreed to pay 25 rupee per unit for solar and 30 rupee per unit for wind when sale price ranges between 3 rupee to 25 rupees? Plus the above is pure electricity cost distribution and administration cost is on top of that which should be 40% to 50%.
6. Whom should we inquire who planned for buying something on 35 to 45 rupees and sell it on 3 to 25 rupees? Can I call this person a fraud and a traitor? Will you call him a fraud and traitor. If he is Imran Khan I am ready to call him fraud and traitor. What about you ?

 

[volatile]

1. Do we have excess capacity where we can shut down 1 plant and continue others?
2. If we have excess capacity then why do we still have load shedding ? it was still there in PMLN tenure till end as well. It was reduced significantly but it was there.
3. Which power plants are being given excess PO despite being expensive and which are not despite being cheap. I will try to find out the financials of those plants with my resource and (if i succeed in getting the financials) i swear on Allah if you right I will release these numbers on media. Need your help to expose them (if you know what are you talking about).
4. Now one tough question. Why does the circular debt rate is increased in first year? first year is too low for taking any decision as a quickest time to get a policy change in power sector is not less than 3 years. Then who is responsible? Low recovery, I guess anyone can take a plea of Corona shut down, people loosing businesses and jobs. But what about other factors? Are we procuring expensive electricity and selling cheap? Who is responsible for setting up these expensive plants? Is it PTI?
5. Who agreed to pay 25 rupee per unit for solar and 30 rupee per unit for wind when sale price ranges between 3 rupee to 25 rupees? Plus the above is pure electricity cost distribution and administration cost is on top of that which should be 40% to 50%.
6. Whom should we inquire who planned for buying something on 35 to 45 rupees and sell it on 3 to 25 rupees? Can I call this person a fraud and a traitor? Will you call him a fraud and traitor. If he is Imran Khan I am ready to call him fraud and traitor. What about you ?

Disclaimer .I do have biasnesses but Im like you shit worried about state of affairs .May Allah helps me answer your each questions so you can understand having a head of curve is some time how much pain in @$$.
1. Do we have excess capacity where we can shut down 1 plant and continue others?
Yes we do have
According to the Pakistan Economic Survey 2019-20, the installed electricity generation capacity reached 37,402 MW in 2020.[7] The maximum total demand coming from residential and industrial estates stands at nearly 25,000 MW, whereas the transmission and distribution capacity is stalled at approximately 22,000 MW.[8] This leads to a deficit of about 3,000 MW when the demand peaks. This additional 3,000 MW required cannot be transmitted even though the peak demand of the country is well below its installed capacity of 37,402 MW.

Installed power production capacity rises | The Express Tribune

It comes mainly due to setting up of new CPEC power plants

tribune.com.pk

Pakistan's electricity generation has increased over time. So why do we still not have uninterrupted supply?

The problem lies with distribution and transmission.

www.dawn.com

2. If we have excess capacity then why do we still have load shedding ? it was still there in PMLN tenure till end as well. It was reduced significantly but it was there.
Some part of answer lies with whereas the transmission and distribution capacity is stalled at approximately 22,000 MW.[8] This leads to a deficit of about 3,000 MW .I will take an opportunity to answer one more query why they didn't PMLN do that ? As earlier focus was installing power plant and in 2017 when focus was shifted to this point there were many political drama .a failure may be but under the circumstances they were able to solve some problems .

https://www.adb.org/sites/default/files/linked-documents/49056-002-ssa.pdf

I urge you to read this report link many things will be clear

3. Which power plants are being given excess PO despite being expensive and which are not despite being cheap. I will try to find out the financials of those plants with my resource and (if i succeed in getting the financials) i swear on Allah if you right I will release these numbers on media. Need your help to expose them (if you know what are you talking about).
http://www.ppib.gov.pk/N_achievements.htm
This is a list of all IPP`s 1994/2002 performing .Now to get PO copy will be some thing difficult but this list of power plants will tell you which are working right now ,All of these are RFO (residual fuel oil/Furnace oil)
The owner ship/board members are political allies of Khan sb .So question remains why RLNG power plants are not swtiched on even they have efficiency of 63% (one of the highest) bcas the Govt is importing less LNG.

4. Now one tough question. Why does the circular debt rate is increased in first year? first year is too low for taking any decision as a quickest time to get a policy change in power sector is not less than 3 years. Then who is responsible? Low recovery, I guess anyone can take a plea of Corona shut down, people loosing businesses and jobs. But what about other factors? Are we procuring expensive electricity and selling cheap? Who is responsible for setting up these expensive plants? Is it PTI?

Please understand circular debt is Amount paid or payable against recovery . Primary function of JINCO`s are recovery and payable by GOP .regulator is NEPRA this is basic equation .I dont need to say further if you produce energy on expensive fuel and recover less the circular debt or bad debt rises .Circular rate increased in first year was bcas of lack of import of LNG as it was point scoring by PTI to show bad projects but in reality they were good projects and saved 500 Million US$ in a year by being operational .The corona effect is not mentioned any where infact when Umar Ayub was lyeing about no circular debt even at that time it was increasing rapidly back in 2019. Real issue is PTI Govt had no idea how to deal with it and in the end they wasted 2 years of Governing which resulted in losses of such magnitude and irony is they are still doing the same idiotic things.

Why circular debt isn’t dying away

The issue of power-sector arrears cannot be resolved through periodic hikes in electricity prices

www.dawn.com

Why circular debt isn’t dying away

5. Who agreed to pay 25 rupee per unit for solar and 30 rupee per unit for wind when sale price ranges between 3 rupee to 25 rupees? Plus the above is pure electricity cost distribution and administration cost is on top of that which should be 40% to 50%.
I dont understand this point which project you are reffering to if it is Quaid e azam solar park

If there are irregularities the culprits to be dealt with .Im not here to defend any one .Any ways if among the 11000 MW added one project has higher KWH you need to see average costs of all projects .

6. Whom should we inquire who planned for buying something on 35 to 45 rupees and sell it on 3 to 25 rupees? Can I call this person a fraud and a traitor? Will you call him a fraud and traitor. If he is Imran Khan I am ready to call him fraud and traitor. What about you ?
These are big words and Im not here to judge people by saying traitor ,fraud may be ,but in reality it is difficult in Pakistan to bring investments .Imran Khan`s issue remains understanding of governance system and in this process he is doing irreversible damage ,also SAPM are the key fraud`s in this Govt ,Previous Govt`s have there own middle man

 

[volatile]

Nepra has released its report which is also approved by cabinet. Main points: 1. The power sector is in complete tatters resulting from poor governance. 2. Discos r over billing in order to show better results 3. Discos are involved in systematic manipulation of Line losses & recoveries have shown no improvement. The government including the energy committee is clueless. Meanwhile circular debt has doubled in last 2 years.

 

[The Accountant]

Disclaimer .I do have biasnesses but Im like you shit worried about state of affairs .May Allah helps me answer your each questions so you can understand having a head of curve is some time how much pain in @$$.
1. Do we have excess capacity where we can shut down 1 plant and continue others?
Yes we do have
According to the Pakistan Economic Survey 2019-20, the installed electricity generation capacity reached 37,402 MW in 2020.[7] The maximum total demand coming from residential and industrial estates stands at nearly 25,000 MW, whereas the transmission and distribution capacity is stalled at approximately 22,000 MW.[8] This leads to a deficit of about 3,000 MW when the demand peaks. This additional 3,000 MW required cannot be transmitted even though the peak demand of the country is well below its installed capacity of 37,402 MW.

Installed power production capacity rises | The Express Tribune

It comes mainly due to setting up of new CPEC power plants

tribune.com.pk

Pakistan's electricity generation has increased over time. So why do we still not have uninterrupted supply?

The problem lies with distribution and transmission.

www.dawn.com

2. If we have excess capacity then why do we still have load shedding ? it was still there in PMLN tenure till end as well. It was reduced significantly but it was there.
Some part of answer lies with whereas the transmission and distribution capacity is stalled at approximately 22,000 MW.[8] This leads to a deficit of about 3,000 MW .I will take an opportunity to answer one more query why they didn't PMLN do that ? As earlier focus was installing power plant and in 2017 when focus was shifted to this point there were many political drama .a failure may be but under the circumstances they were able to solve some problems .

https://www.adb.org/sites/default/files/linked-documents/49056-002-ssa.pdf

I urge you to read this report link many things will be clear
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Thanks for the numbers. So we have installed capacity of 37.4K. 11K of this installed by PMLN which makes the pre-PMLN capacity to 26.4K still higher than peak demand of 25K.

So either your numbers are incorrect or PMLN did a total mess by installing excess capacity making us to pay for capacity payment for the project we dont even need and lack of investment on the transmission which was actually required.

Now I leave it upto you if you take back your numbers or blame it on PMLN.

3. Which power plants are being given excess PO despite being expensive and which are not despite being cheap. I will try to find out the financials of those plants with my resource and (if i succeed in getting the financials) i swear on Allah if you right I will release these numbers on media. Need your help to expose them (if you know what are you talking about).
http://www.ppib.gov.pk/N_achievements.htm
This is a list of all IPP`s 1994/2002 performing .Now to get PO copy will be some thing difficult but this list of power plants will tell you which are working right now ,All of these are RFO (residual fuel oil/Furnace oil)
The owner ship/board members are political allies of Khan sb .So question remains why RLNG power plants are not swtiched on even they have efficiency of 63% (one of the highest) bcas the Govt is importing less LNG.

This is a claim without any supporting data and evidence. The report or cost you are discussing is of 2018 whereas LNG shortage is a case of 2019-20. SO your claim is baseless.

4. Now one tough question. Why does the circular debt rate is increased in first year? first year is too low for taking any decision as a quickest time to get a policy change in power sector is not less than 3 years. Then who is responsible? Low recovery, I guess anyone can take a plea of Corona shut down, people loosing businesses and jobs. But what about other factors? Are we procuring expensive electricity and selling cheap? Who is responsible for setting up these expensive plants? Is it PTI?

Please understand circular debt is Amount paid or payable against recovery . Primary function of JINCO`s are recovery and payable by GOP .regulator is NEPRA this is basic equation .I dont need to say further if you produce energy on expensive fuel and recover less the circular debt or bad debt rises .Circular rate increased in first year was bcas of lack of import of LNG as it was point scoring by PTI to show bad projects but in reality they were good projects and saved 500 Million US$ in a year by being operational .The corona effect is not mentioned any where infact when Umar Ayub was lyeing about no circular debt even at that time it was increasing rapidly back in 2019. Real issue is PTI Govt had no idea how to deal with it and in the end they wasted 2 years of Governing which resulted in losses of such magnitude and irony is they are still doing the same idiotic things.

Why circular debt isn’t dying away

The issue of power-sector arrears cannot be resolved through periodic hikes in electricity prices

www.dawn.com

Why circular debt isn’t dying away

again a claim that LNG was not imported and cheap plants were shut down without any evidence. Furthermore, I will further retreat that why did PMLN installed additional 11 MW when we didnt even need them. For power plants you need to pay installed capacity irrespective if you are runnign or not. So even if we have a lower fuel cost LNG plant then it was stupid to install them at first place as you still need to pay plants based on furnace oil.

5. Who agreed to pay 25 rupee per unit for solar and 30 rupee per unit for wind when sale price ranges between 3 rupee to 25 rupees? Plus the above is pure electricity cost distribution and administration cost is on top of that which should be 40% to 50%.
I dont understand this point which project you are reffering to if it is Quaid e azam solar park
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If there are irregularities the culprits to be dealt with .Im not here to defend any one .Any ways if among the 11000 MW added one project has higher KWH you need to see average costs of all projects .

Lolz, check your own post it says cost of solar project is 25 rupees per unit. Regarding the data shared above it is not about my question. My question is who is responsible for signing quaid-e-azam solar power plant providing electricity 500% expensive than india is getting. Off course PMLN is the one responsible. the one you are defending.

6. Whom should we inquire who planned for buying something on 35 to 45 rupees and sell it on 3 to 25 rupees? Can I call this person a fraud and a traitor? Will you call him a fraud and traitor. If he is Imran Khan I am ready to call him fraud and traitor. What about you ?
These are big words and Im not here to judge people by saying traitor ,fraud may be ,but in reality it is difficult in Pakistan to bring investments .Imran Khan`s issue remains understanding of governance system and in this process he is doing irreversible damage ,also SAPM are the key fraud`s in this Govt ,Previous Govt`s have there own middle man

You are judging PTI and Imran Khan performance in every post of yours but when I confront you with the facts that how PMLN throw us under the bus by getting into costly contract and now you dont wanna judge.

Isn't it hypocrisy...

 

[volatile]

Thanks for the numbers. So we have installed capacity of 37.4K. 11K of this installed by PMLN which makes the pre-PMLN capacity to 26.4K still higher than peak demand of 25K.

So either your numbers are incorrect or PMLN did a total mess by installing excess capacity making us to pay for capacity payment for the project we dont even need and lack of investment on the transmission which was actually required.

Now I leave it upto you if you take back your numbers or blame it on PMLN.

There are 3 tenures of IPP mode 1990`s (PPP),2000 (Pervaiz) ,2014(NLeague) .The 1990`s era IPP`s have the lowest of all efficiencies on average 17% ,2000 saw increased efficiencies of 25% where as 2014 has efficiecny projects of 60% . Thermal efficiency is a number which represent amount of fuel taken to generate per KWH of electricity ,Surplus energy projects were installed to retire old power porjects which we are paying high cost . I hope this clarifies ,here concept is correct numbers in 10% may be +_ so bear with me .

This is a claim without any supporting data and evidence. The report or cost you are discussing is of 2018 whereas LNG shortage is a case of 2019-20. SO your claim is baseless.

if you are willing to dig in you will find many such reports of LNG not ordered in time .Im sure your claim of issuing of PO can resolve this issue .

 

[The Accountant]

There are 3 tenures of IPP mode 1990`s (PPP),2000 (Pervaiz) ,2014(NLeague) .The 1990`s era IPP`s have the lowest of all efficiencies on average 17% ,2000 saw increased efficiencies of 25% where as 2014 has efficiecny projects of 60% . Thermal efficiency is a number which represent amount of fuel taken to generate per KWH of electricity ,Surplus energy projects were installed to retire old power porjects which we are paying high cost . I hope this clarifies ,here concept is correct numbers in 10% may be +_ so bear with me .

if you are willing to dig in you will find many such reports of LNG not ordered in time .Im sure your claim of issuing of PO can resolve this issue .

Claims without any basis.

If you have anything concrete and facts then I will respond to you with my facts and data which I already have. Till then its just your opinion and that too is wrong.

In the hierarchy of cost the beneficial:

Hydel
Nuclear
Local gas
Local coal
(Wind and solar if on international commercial terms not like Quaid-e-azam power plant).
RLNG
Furnace Oil

These are average cost inclusive of all efficiency factors. I have detailed per unit cost data as well but not sharing here.

So much for your false claim that RLNG cheap. Infact the biggest hurdle in privatisation of Balloki Power Plant is the agreement with SNGPL to buy the RLNG. SNGPL has contract with Qatar to buy LNG for next 10 years. The investors are afraid that due to higher cost, government will prefer the cheaper plants and hence not investing on them whereas SNGPL is afraid that if these LNG plant do not buy LNG then they will default on Qatar Gas purchase agreement.

In short thanks to PMLN we are locked on to expensive LNG for atleast next 10 years. They gave preference to expensvie LNG agaisnt much cheaper and abundantly available local coal, Nuclear and strategically important Hydel.

 

[volatile]

Claims without any basis.

If you have anything concrete and facts then I will respond to you with my facts and data which I already have. Till then its just your opinion and that too is wrong.

In the hierarchy of cost the beneficial:

Hydel
Nuclear
Local gas
Local coal
(Wind and solar if on international commercial terms not like Quaid-e-azam power plant).
RLNG
Furnace Oil

These are average cost inclusive of all efficiency factors. I have detailed per unit cost data as well but not sharing here.

So much for your false claim that RLNG cheap. Infact the biggest hurdle in privatisation of Balloki Power Plant is the agreement with SNGPL to buy the RLNG. SNGPL has contract with Qatar to buy LNG for next 10 years. The investors are afraid that due to higher cost, government will prefer the cheaper plants and hence not investing on them whereas SNGPL is afraid that if these LNG plant do not buy LNG then they will default on Qatar Gas purchase agreement.

In short thanks to PMLN we are locked on to expensive LNG for atleast next 10 years. They gave preference to expensvie LNG agaisnt much cheaper and abundantly available local coal, Nuclear and strategically important Hydel.

I shared with you facts with relevant links .I didnt start challenging your ideas .I gave you a direction as per your claim you are so influential to get PO copies ? If your argument is that strong what is fixed capacity charges which you are claiming to have increased circular debt ?

 

[The Accountant]

I shared with you facts with relevant links .I didnt start challenging your ideas .I gave you a direction as per your claim you are so influential to get PO copies ? If your argument is that strong what is fixed capacity charges which you are claiming to have increased circular debt ?

Brother did i claimed that i have details of PO or fixed capacity charges details? I was asking u as u r making the claim not me. Burden of proof is on u.

U r claiming that despite having excess capacity of 1k MW we invested in 11k MW and i am simply stating that u if u r right then it means excess capacity payments and hence increased. This is basic maths bro. U will be paying salary loan and other infrastructure cost of closed power projects. Dont u ? Where m i wrong in my hypothesis ? Remember excess caapcity claim is yours not mine ...

First u prove ur claim then i will share my data.

 

[volatile]

Brother did i claimed that i have details of PO or fixed capacity charges details? I was asking u as u r making the claim not me. Burden of proof is on u.

U r claiming that despite having excess capacity of 1k MW we invested in 11k MW and i am simply stating that u if u r right then it means excess capacity payments and hence increased. This is basic maths bro. U will be paying salary loan and other infrastructure cost of closed power projects. Dont u ? Where m i wrong in my hypothesis ? Remember excess caapcity claim is yours not mine ...

First u prove ur claim then i will share my data.

Those technologoes are older tech with Furnace oil stations they were planned to be shut down .But they were not reason being political allies .Please check whose IPP is working and who are the owners of these IPP`s .Reason for installing newer technology IPP` was increased demand due to CPEC industry transfer and get rid of inefficiency power plants .This makes perfect sense as Musharraf did exactly opposite when econmy was growing to 7% there was no power available

 

[The Accountant]

Those technologoes are older tech with Furnace oil stations they were planned to be shut down .But they were not reason being political allies .Please check whose IPP is working and who are the owners of these IPP`s .Reason for installing newer technology IPP` was increased demand due to CPEC industry transfer and get rid of inefficiency power plants .This makes perfect sense as Musharraf did exactly opposite when econmy was growing to 7% there was no power available

Again assumption without any evidence. You have to provide data to prove your point otherwise it is just propaganda.

 

[volatile]

Again assumption without any evidence. You have to provide data to prove your point otherwise it is just propaganda.

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[The Accountant]

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Did u even read the article? It is exactly saying what I was saying. PMLN did a blunder by investing so much in expensive power plants and not in transmission which was the actual issues. Below are the extracts of article shared by you:

If you try to put it on growth rate then the maximum impact of this for 2 years cant be no more than 8%. 6% of 24,000 is 1,920 which means still excess capacity of 11,000 MW.

On the top of this due to transmission infrastructure shortage we still have load shedding specially in Karachi. What a planning done by PMLN.

 

[volatile]

lol did you read it other then biased one line .
The circular debt increased
A) Oil power plants were issued PO for generation
B/ less recovery/Line losses

So hence the burden of proof to my previous statements are over

Did u even read the article? It is exactly saying what I was saying. PMLN did a blunder by investing so much in expensive power plants and not in transmission which was the actual issues. Below are the extracts of article shared by you:

If you try to put it on growth rate then the maximum impact of this for 2 years cant be no more than 8%. 6% of 24,000 is 1,920 which means still excess capacity of 11,000 MW.

On the top of this due to transmission infrastructure shortage we still have load shedding specially in Karachi. What a planning done by PMLN.

 

[The Accountant]

lol did you read it other then biased one line .
The circular debt increased
A) Oil power plants were issued PO for generation
B/ less recovery/Line losses

So hence the burden of proof to my previous statements are over

Where does it says POs were issued to Oil Based pants while LNG plants were kept idle? Kindly share the specific I can't find it.

Line losses is not a new concept but a prevailing and existing issue. Existed during PMLN and PPP as well. Less recovery during 2020 is primarily due to Covid and this is also not a new issue but existing and prevailing issue.

Sorry you still didn't proved anything.