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By Greg Miller

November 15, 2009

It has given hundreds of millions to the ISI, for operations as well as rewards for the capture or death of terrorist suspects. Despite fears of corruption, it is money well-spent, ex-officials say.

Reporting from Washington - The CIA has funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to Pakistan's intelligence service since the Sept. 11 attacks, accounting for as much as one-third of the foreign spy agency's annual budget, current and former U.S. officials say.

The Inter-Services Intelligence agency also has collected tens of millions of dollars through a classified CIA program that pays for the capture or killing of wanted militants, a clandestine counterpart to the rewards publicly offered by the State Department, officials said.

The payments have triggered intense debate within the U.S. government, officials said, because of long-standing suspicions that the ISI continues to help Taliban extremists who undermine U.S. efforts in Afghanistan and provide sanctuary to Al Qaeda members in Pakistan.

But U.S. officials have continued the funding because the ISI's assistance is considered crucial: Almost every major terrorist plot this decade has originated in Pakistan's tribal belt, where ISI informant networks are a primary source of intelligence.

The White House National Security Council has "this debate every year," said a former high-ranking U.S. intelligence official involved in the discussions. Like others, the official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject. Despite deep misgivings about the ISI, the official said, "there was no other game in town."

The payments to Pakistan are authorized under a covert program initially approved by then-President Bush and continued under President Obama. The CIA declined to comment on the agency's financial ties to the ISI.

U.S. officials often tout U.S.-Pakistani intelligence cooperation. But the extent of the financial underpinnings of that relationship have never been publicly disclosed. The CIA payments are a hidden stream in a much broader financial flow; the U.S. has given Pakistan more than $15 billion over the last eight years in military and civilian aid.

Congress recently approved an extra $1 billion a year to help Pakistan stabilize its tribal belt at a time when Obama is considering whether to send tens of thousands of additional troops to Afghanistan.

The ISI has used the covert CIA money for a variety of purposes, including the construction of a new headquarters in Islamabad, the capital. That project pleased CIA officials because it replaced a structure considered vulnerable to attack; it also eased fears that the U.S. money would end up in the private bank accounts of ISI officials.

In fact, CIA officials were so worried that the money would be wasted that the agency's station chief at the time, Robert Grenier, went to the head of the ISI to extract a promise that it would be put to good use.

"What we didn't want to happen was for this group of generals in power at the time to just start putting it in their pockets or building mansions in Dubai," said a former CIA operative who served in Islamabad.

The scale of the payments shows the extent to which money has fueled an espionage alliance that has been credited with damaging Al Qaeda but also plagued by distrust.

The complexity of the relationship is reflected in other ways. Officials said the CIA has routinely brought ISI operatives to a secret training facility in North Carolina, even as U.S. intelligence analysts try to assess whether segments of the ISI have worked against U.S. interests.

A report distributed in late 2007 by the National Intelligence Council was characteristically conflicted on the question of the ISI's ties to the Afghan Taliban, a relationship that traces back to Pakistan's support for Islamic militants fighting to oust the Soviets from Afghanistan.

"Ultimately, the report said what all the other reports said -- that it was inconclusive," said a former senior U.S. national security official. "You definitely can find ISI officers doing things we don't like, but on the other hand you've got no smoking gun from command and control that links them to the activities of the insurgents."

Given the size of overt military and civilian aid to Pakistan, CIA officials argue that their own disbursements -- particularly the bounties for suspected terrorists -- should be considered a bargain.

"They gave us 600 to 700 people captured or dead," said one former senior CIA official who worked with the Pakistanis. "Getting these guys off the street was a good thing, and it was a big savings to [U.S.] taxpayers."

A U.S. intelligence official said Pakistan had made "decisive contributions to counter-terrorism."

"They have people dying almost every day," the official said. "Sure, their interests don't always match up with ours. But things would be one hell of a lot worse if the government there was hostile to us."

The CIA also directs millions of dollars to other foreign spy services. But the magnitude of the payments to the ISI reflect Pakistan's central role. The CIA depends on Pakistan's cooperation to carry out missile strikes by Predator drones that have killed dozens of suspected extremists in Pakistani border areas.

The ISI is a highly compartmentalized intelligence service, with divisions that sometimes seem at odds with one another. Units that work closely with the CIA are walled off from a highly secretive branch that has directed insurgencies in Afghanistan and Kashmir.

"There really are two ISIs," the former CIA operative said. "On the counter-terrorism side, those guys were in lock-step with us," the former operative said. "And then there was the 'long-beard' side. Those are the ones who created the Taliban and are supporting groups like Haqqani."

The network led by Jalaluddin Haqqani has been accused of carrying out a series of suicide attacks in Afghanistan, including the 2008 bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul.

Pakistani leaders, offended by questions about their commitment, point to their capture of high-value targets, including accused Sept. 11 organizer Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. They also underscore the price their spy service has paid.

Militants hit ISI's regional headquarters in Peshawar on Friday in an attack that killed at least 10 people. In May, a similar strike near an ISI facility in Lahore killed more than two dozen people. Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, who served as ISI director before becoming army chief of staff, has told U.S. officials that dozens of ISI operatives have been killed in operations conducted at the behest of the United States.

A onetime aide to former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice described a pointed exchange in which Kayani said his spies were no safer than CIA agents when trying to infiltrate notoriously hostile Pashtun tribes.

"Madame Secretary, they call us all white men," Kayani said, according to the former aide.

CIA payments to the ISI can be traced to the 1980s, when the Pakistani agency managed the flow of money and weapons to the Afghan mujahedin. That support slowed during the 1990s, after the Soviets were expelled from Afghanistan, but increased after the Sept. 11 attacks.

In addition to bankrolling the ISI's budget, the CIA created a clandestine reward program that paid bounties for suspected terrorists. The first check, for $10 million, was for the capture of Abu Zubaydah, a top Al Qaeda figure, the former official said. The ISI got $25 million more for Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's capture.

But the CIA's most-wanted list went beyond those widely known names.

"There were a lot of people I had never heard of, and they were good for $1 million or more," said a former CIA official who served in Islamabad.

Former CIA Director George J. Tenet acknowledged the bounties in a little-noticed section in his 2007 memoir. Sometimes, payments were made with a dramatic flair.

"We would show up in someone's office, offer our thanks, and we would leave behind a briefcase full of $100 bills, sometimes totaling more than a million in a single transaction," Tenet wrote.

The CIA's bounty program was conceived as a counterpart to the Rewards for Justice program administered by the State Department. The rules of that program render officials of foreign governments ineligible, making it meaningless to intelligence services such as the ISI.

The reward payments have slowed as the number of suspected Al Qaeda operatives captured or killed by the ISI has declined. Many militants fled from major cities where the ISI has a large presence to tribal regions patrolled by Predator drones.

The CIA has set limits on how the money and rewards are used. In particular, officials said, the agency has refused to pay rewards to the ISI for information used in Predator strikes.

U.S. officials were reluctant to give the ISI a financial incentive to nominate targets, and feared doing so would lead the Pakistanis to refrain from sharing other kinds of intelligence.

"It's a fine line," said a former senior U.S. counter-terrorism official involved in policy decisions on Pakistan. "You don't want to create perverse incentives that corrode the relationship."

CIA says it gets its money's worth from Pakistani spy agency -- latimes.com
 
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I have read blurbs on how the Najibullah Zazi and Rana/Headly investigations (amongst various other terrorist plots busted in Europe and the US) were initiated because of intelligence from Pakistan/ISI.

Unfortunate that such a significant contribution by the ISI goes unnoticed and allegations of 'duplicity' hog the limelight.
 
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Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, who served as ISI director before becoming army chief of staff, has told U.S. officials that dozens of ISI operatives have been killed in operations conducted at the behest of the United States.

May these brave men RIP.

They have sacrificed their lives unheralded, yet their contributions and courage are indisputable.

All of Pakistan, and indeed the rest of the world, owes an immense debt to these shadow warriors.
 
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Monday, 16 Nov, 2009.

WASHINGTON : The CIA has funnelled hundreds of millions of dollars to the ISI since 9/11 but believes that it has got its money’s worth from the Pakistani spy agency, the Los Angeles Times reported on Sunday.

The support for the ISI has been the subject of a long-running debate within the US government that has usually led to the conclusion that “there is no other game in town” when it comes to information on militants who operate in the country’s tribal belt where almost every terrorist plot in this decade was hatched, the Times says.

A former senior CIA official is quoted as saying, “They gave us 600 to 700 people captured or dead...Getting these guys off the street was a good thing.”

Another former national security official said that, despite the suspicions about where the ISI’s loyalties lie, “you’ve got no smoking gun from command and control that links them to the activities of the insurgents”.

US officials also told the newspaper that the CIA had routinely brought ISI operatives to a secret training facility in North Carolina, even as US intelligence analysts try to assess whether segments of the ISI have worked against US interests.

Explaining this, a US intelligence official told the Times that Pakistan had made “decisive contributions to counter-terrorism”.

“They have people dying almost every day,” the official said. “Sure, their interests don’t always match up with ours. But things would be one hell of a lot worse if the government there was hostile to us.”

The CIA depends on Pakistan’s cooperation to carry out missile strikes by Predator drones that have killed dozens of suspected extremists in Pakistani border areas.

Another former CIA official told the Times that he believed there really are two ISIs. “On the counter-terrorism side, those guys were in lock-step with us. And then there was the ‘long-beard’ side. Those are the ones who created the Taliban and are supporting groups like Haqqani.”

A one-time aide to former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice described to the newspaper a pointed exchange in which Pakistan’s army chief Gen Ashfaq Kayani said his spies were no safer than CIA agents when trying to infiltrate notoriously hostile Pashtun tribes.

“Madame Secretary, they call us all white men,” Gen Kayani said, according to the former aide.

The newspaper notes that CIA payments to the ISI can be traced to the 1980s, when the Pakistani agency managed the flow of money and weapons to the Afghan Mujahideen. That support slowed during the 1990s, after the Soviets were expelled from Afghanistan, but increased after the Sept 11, 2001, attacks.

DAWN.COM | Front Page | ?No smoking gun linking command to militants?
 
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Unfortunate that such a significant contribution by the ISI goes unnoticed and allegations of 'duplicity' hog the limelight.

I don't blame the American intelligence community. But it really shows the American leadership's psyche, doesn't it? Which is based on greed, conquer, domination, exploitation, and coupled with more greed and exploitation of even the conquered souls. It's a vicious cycle.

You can never win them. It's about time our people learn this.

Good Riddance to the terrorists caught, totally worth the money.

But what really saddens me are the innocents caught and deported in quite a few numbers as well our ISI officials who laid their lives serving Not their country but foreign interests.
 
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sorry for being off topic but i thought that the CIA and RAW were plotting together against ISI.....so the issue gets cleared here ...the CIA and RAW dont work together against pakistan(SO CIA IS OUT OF CIA -RAW -MOSAAD CONSPIRACY)........HOW EVER I AGREE RAW DOES WORK IN PAK.....THATS WHAT THEY ARE PAID FOR ISNT IT.....BUT THE ALLEGATION THAT RAW IS FUNDING TALIBAN...STILL IS A MYSTRY FOR THE WANT OF SO CALLED EVIDENCE THAT THE PAK GOVT HAS BUT WILL NOT PRODUCE THEM ANYWHERE ....(STILL WAITING FOR AN AUSPICIOUS TIME I GUESS)
 
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Shock, horror! Pakistan vindicated once again despite the rantings of Indians, French "journalists", and certain Indian fed American bloggers.
 
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Monday, 16 Nov, 2009.


A former senior CIA official is quoted as saying, “They gave us 600 to 700 people captured or dead...Getting these guys off the street was a good thing.”

DAWN.COM | Front Page | ?No smoking gun linking command to militants?

CIA offical say taking out 600-700 people is good, but what about 6000-7000 terrorists (Non-state actors) created by ISI for statergic depth.

This report is just to please the pakistani establishment, nothing more
 
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By Greg Miller

November 15, 2009

"It's a fine line," said a former senior U.S. counter-terrorism official involved in policy decisions on Pakistan. "You don't want to create perverse incentives that corrode the relationship."

Isn't the relationship already perverted and corroded? ISI supplying intelligence to the CIA on Pakistani citizens. Why can't they just supply the same info to the Pakistani military who decides whether to eradicate these threats themselves. Or is it simply the issue of USA reward which is the backbone of Pakistani intelligence ? :undecided:
 
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Isn't the relationship already perverted and corroded? ISI supplying intelligence to the CIA on Pakistani citizens. Why can't they just supply the same info to the Pakistani military who decides whether to eradicate these threats themselves. Or is it simply the issue of USA reward which is the backbone of Pakistani intelligence ? :undecided:

Pakistan does not possess the technological assets (drones) that are required in combination with the human intelligence to successfully eliminate some of the Terrorists in this manner.

There is a reason why the US opted to develop the Predator and Reaper drones and use them in such strikes in Iraq and Afghanistan, instead of using its already significant and advanced air assets such as the F-22, F-18 SH, F-16's etc.

Indeed, Pakistan's demands that the US provide it with the technology reflect the desire to 'to eradicate these threats themselves', rather than have the US do it and inflame sentiment in Pakistan and violate Pakistani sovereignty.

Suspicion of CIA complicity with some of the Taliban groups arose because of CIA refusal to attack targets that were a risk to Pakistan, such as Baitullah Mehsud, on whom Pakistani intelligence reportedly provided coordinates multiple times only to be refused.

He was finally taken out recently, which may indicate that the CIA might be more amenable to cooperation on that issue under the new administration.
 
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sorry for being off topic but i thought that the CIA and RAW were plotting together against ISI.....so the issue gets cleared here ...the CIA and RAW dont work together against pakistan(SO CIA IS OUT OF CIA -RAW -MOSAAD CONSPIRACY)........HOW EVER I AGREE RAW DOES WORK IN PAK.....THATS WHAT THEY ARE PAID FOR ISNT IT.....BUT THE ALLEGATION THAT RAW IS FUNDING TALIBAN...STILL IS A MYSTRY FOR THE WANT OF SO CALLED EVIDENCE THAT THE PAK GOVT HAS BUT WILL NOT PRODUCE THEM ANYWHERE ....(STILL WAITING FOR AN AUSPICIOUS TIME I GUESS)

Mossad has a lot of assets in the CIA community. M16 and CIA are literally like siblings with their aligned interests. How many times have mossad agents been caught working in the CIA? Run a google search and you'd be surprised. Both the CIA and Mossad are inter-related and inseparable to a great extent with Mossad being the bastard child of the CIA. Mossad has agents in every sphere of American political and military system. Simply look at presence of Israeli citizens and sympathizers in the American political and military establishment and industrial complexes.

With over a 100,000 foreign soldiers, how could you rule out the presence of these foreign agencies? All of these intelligence agencies are present in Afghanistan and networked with each other. Indian RAW has fairly recently joined the network post 911 and is working with full cooperation for her own interests and objectives.

To date India has spent $1.5 billion dollars in Afghanistan to establish their foothold by building massive consulates. It's all publicly known. You think India would throw that money away for nothing? and without any security provided how could they establish and justify their consulates in Afghanistan? and for what economic and strategic interests, other than to destablize Pakistan?
 
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To date India has spent $1.5 billion dollars in Afghanistan

Just to clarify, according to the WSJ (during Krishna's visit to the US a couple of months ago) India has pledged (not necessarily delivered) $1.2 billion in aid to Afghanistan.

Pakistan has so far committed $500 million, and going by PM Gillani's comments and the description of the projects, that is actually $500 million in aid that is already delivered (through various projects) or being channeled through various projects that are not yet complete, and not just pledged aid.

In any case, aid directed towards reconstruction is nothing to berate the Indians about - however, the size of the aid, the size of the reconstruction effort, the size of the Indian contingent and the size of Afghan-India travel does not by any means require the number of Indian consulates we see in Afghanistan.

But this is all off topic, so lets move on.
 
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CIA offical say taking out 600-700 people is good, but what about 6000-7000 terrorists (Non-state actors) created by ISI for statergic depth.

This report is just to please the pakistani establishment, nothing more

Now isn't that a nice diversion. Couldn't expect less from indians. This is enough to keep their double play talk to BR.
 
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I dont think India is a threat to Pakistan unless Pakistan trys to grab Kashmier,,,,,but what I wonder about is how Pakistan thinks they could take on India with 4 times population, economy and military when they cant even defeat a backward premitive group like the Taliban.

But what I wonder about is how India thinks they could take on China with 3.6 times economy and military when they cant even defeat a backward primitive group like the Naxalites, Maoists and Kashmiris.
 
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