CIA/Indian/Afghan Involvement in WoT in Pakistan

[Anwar2]

India does not have even a one kilometer border with Afghanistan, but through deft diplomacy and allaince with Israel / USA it has installed its allied government in Kabul.
We Pakistanis have sacrificed our credibility and support base, besides getting involved in nan expensive insurgency on our territory ....
With all these scarifices we are the guilty, and India is the US "partner" in the "War on Terror".
Let us focus on defending Pakistan, NATO or US can go to hell. Let them ask India to fight their war in Afghanistan.

 

[Vinod2070]

India does not have even a one kilometer border with Afghanistan

Not true. Just see the Indian map.

The Northern areas that India claims do share a border with Afghanistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Not true. Just see the Indian map.

The Northern areas that India claims do share a border with Afghanistan.

Pakistan claims them too, along with the rest of J&K (disputed territory) and currently we control them. So no, India does not share a border with Afghanistan - wishful thinking does not count here.

 

[Anwar2]

Dear Vinod2070: India is entitled to draw any maps in its dreams, but in reality the inclusion of Jammu & Kashmir is illegal as per any International norms.
Facts on ground are that the Northern Areas are part of Pakistan, and Eastern Laddakh is part of China.

 

[Anwar2]

If you really want to dwell on history in distant past; the whole of subcontinent was about 600 princely states that were fused together in a notional entity called the British India through an accident of history.

 

[Vinod2070]

Pakistan claims them too, along with the rest of J&K (disputed territory) and currently we control them. So no, India does not share a border with Afghanistan - wishful thinking does not count here.

Agreed. We don't share a border with them that we control.

We share a border with them that we claim and show on our maps as belonging to India.

If and when the issue is sorted out and if the areas happen to go to Pakistan, it would be removed from the official Indian maps too. Till that time it is a disputed area that we both claim and show on our respective maps.

 

[SSGPA1]

Recently on the forum alot has been said about Baitullah Mehsud being a CIA/Indian agent. There is also alot being said about Indian interference in Balochistan and Afghan interference in FATA

I seriously doubt these claims as I have not seen any believable evidence or report that can lead to these conclusions.

There seems to be people out there who know better for whatever reason so if they could post there information here so it can be debated.

I have no interest in personal opinions I would like to be presented with facts.[/quote]

Mr. Mehsood’s relative was amongst the first ones to be released from G. Bay. There is a 15 yr old Canadian kid who was (probably still held) at G. Bay and there were many others who are still in prison without charges so why was Mr. Mehsood’s relative released?

Once Mehsood held a press conference and ISI requested a drone attack on Mehsood’s car but there was no attack while he was going for the meeting. ISI requested again when he left, hoping that now enough time has been provided and drone will attack his car but again there was no attack.

This was test which our allies failed. According to sources close to Musharraf, he was not impressed and some critical decisions were taken.

http://farrukh-raza.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F831D5C9BAF8528B!278.entry

Furthermore, Brahamdagh Bugti (Akbar Bugti’s grandson) is traveling between Delhi and Kabul and when in Kabul he is seen in the Indian embassy cars. This is all recorded on video which was shown to Musharraf and he was going to take some action but the same week Zardari asked Musharraf to resign.

http://san-pips.com/PIPS-SAN-Files/SAN-Pakistan/SAN-PAK-Article47/San-Pak-Main-A47-D.asp

 

[Anwar2]

Dear SSGPA1 your post was truly amusing, specially the part "" This was test which our allies failed. According to sources .....""

Our ALLIES? which Allies? How can we claim to be "Allies" at all? We are just hired camp followers working for paltry wages fighting somebody's war. We have mobilized 300% more active troops than the BARA SAHIB, more loyal to the king than the king himself.

We have gracioulsy accepted India as the de facto regional power calling the shots, and "summon" our ISI cheif at will. All we hope is that the USA will be able to convince India to lower the tensions so we can continue to perform our duty undisturbed!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

STEP No. 2: Revive immediately the covert action capability of the Research and Analysis Wing, which was wound up by Inder Gujral, when he was the prime minister in 1997, and empower it to impose prohibitive costs on Pakistan till it stops using jihadi terrorism against India. The RAW imposed heavy costs on Pakistan for supporting the Khalistanis and should be able to do so now for its support to the LET and other jihadi terrorist organisations.

Pakistan: Thus far and no further


"(The writer is Additional Secretary (retired), Cabinet Secretariat, Government of India, New Delhi and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai"


So we actually have a former government official both confirming that the GoI carried out terrorist attacks in Pakistan in the past, as well as advocating them for the present - and he isn't the only voice out of Indian intelligentsia advocating this.

 

[daredevil]

Pakistan: Thus far and no further


"(The writer is Additional Secretary (retired), Cabinet Secretariat, Government of India, New Delhi and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai"


So we actually have a former government official both confirming that the GoI carried out terrorist attacks in Pakistan in the past, as well as advocating them for the present - and he isn't the only voice out of Indian intelligentsia advocating this.

From this you can say India is not involved in present Afghanistan crisis. He was asking covert operations to be revived only in response to Jihadi terrorism.

Just to let you know B Raman was a former RAW agent who was extensively involved in China. Presently, he is a terrorism expert, focussed especially on Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Probably you should read upon his articles on South Asia Analysis Group.

 

[Anwar2]

CIA/India and Israel are both overtly and covertly involved in the conflicts in FATA and Balochistan, which is also known as the phoney war of Terror.
They have successfully pitted Pakistan Army against Pakistani citizens, depleting its operational capability and leaving our Eastern border totally exposed.
USA, India and Israel are working on the common agenda of de facto recognition of India as the regional power calling the shots. Our military and civilian rulers have played straight into their hands. Our government has been put into defensive.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

From this you can say India is not involved in present Afghanistan crisis. He was asking covert operations to be revived only in response to Jihadi terrorism.

Just to let you know B Raman was a former RAW agent who was extensively involved in China. Presently, he is a terrorism expert, focussed especially on Taliban and Al-Qaeda. Probably you should read upon his articles on South Asia Analysis Group.

If India is involved, a former government official and RAW agent would be foolish to admit it.

And lets be clear on what he is advocating vs what Pakistan suspects India is already involved in. Rama is advocating India sponsoring terrorism in settled Pakistan, in its cities and towns. We suspect the Indians are already involved in supporting groups like the BLA, and possibly the TTP, in less settled or Tribal areas of Pakistan.

Raman's argument is one of escalating the terrorism to include pretty much all of Pakistan.

 

[daredevil]

If India is involved, a former government official and RAW agent would be foolish to admit it.

And lets be clear on what he is advocating vs what Pakistan suspects India is already involved in. Rama is advocating India sponsoring terrorism in settled Pakistan, in its cities and towns. We suspect the Indians are already involved in supporting groups like the BLA, and possibly the TTP, in less settled or Tribal areas of Pakistan.

Raman's argument is one of escalating the terrorism to include pretty much all of Pakistan.

Just as much you believe that RAW is involved in Pakistan, Indian security agencies also believe that ISI through its proxies/surrogates have set up hundreds of sleeper cells throughout India and we have seen the bomb blasts happening almost with a frequency of once per month. There are already 18 bomb blasts in 2008 itself and then this Mumbai attack.

Raman's argument is to inflict prohibitive costs on Pakistan in response to Jihadi terrorism supported by ISI just as it has done when Pakistan was supporting Khalistani movement, so that ISI stops doing what it is doing to India, that is, to bleed.

In the end, no body is winning here and both are ending up as losers.

 

[Anwar2]

""In the end, no body is winning here and both are ending up as losers.""

You are so Right!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

In the end, no body is winning here and both are ending up as losers.

That cannot happen when respected former government officials are making arguments for state sponsored terrorism. And the unfortunate part is going through the reader comments on various websites his article is posted, with people 'rah rah'-ing his argument.

Why do arguments such as these even find space in the media? And don't bring up Mumbai, because Raman and others have made similar arguments several times in the past, before the Mumbai attacks.

And we probably have some in Pakistan as well.