CIA/Indian/Afghan Involvement in WoT in Pakistan

[asq]

I must strongly protest here! I think the RAW is given far more credit than it deserves. Those dumbos wouldn't locate a Pakistani nuke even if they were sitting on it. Besides, the CIA & Mossad will never do any joint ops with the RAW since they know they'd be better off doing things on their own rather than with these ********!



Asq, the 'black eye' thing is related to Siachen or Kargil war? Because if I'm correct in the Kargil war you folks not only gave us a black eye but also pulled down our chaddis in front of the whole world.

wrong agin, we had u, but u went crying to Big daddy to interfere, and he did which made our leaders squint and pulled the troops and made our forces to withdraw,had you not gone crying to big daddy, stood and fought like an army, we would have given you a fair fight, but you do not believe in fair fight, just bring in U.S. bring in Israel.

 

[RedBaron]

wrong agin, we had u, but u went crying to Big daddy to interfere, and he did which made our leaders squint and pulled the troops and made our forces to withdraw,had you not gone crying to big daddy, stood and fought like an army, we would have given you a fair fight, but you do not believe in fair fight, just bring in U.S. bring in Israel.

No sir, you did not...in Kargil '99, NLI troops hiked up unoccupied ridges and started directing artillery fire onto Srinagar-Leh NH1, with the goal of disrupting the vital Indian military supply chain to Ladakh region. The aim was supposedly to choke off supplies to Siachen, softening it up sufficiently for PA to recapture the heights lost since 1987.

Though ambitious by design, the strategy was incredibly short-sighted as it only presumed that India would not cross LOC. Musharraf and his planners failed to foresee that India could put diplomatic pressure on GoP. GoP was in a weak position due to sanctions imposed after the nuclear tests.

Had diplomatic pressure not worked, GoI would have ordered IA to cross LOC not only in Kargil but along other fronts as well. What other option would GoI have? Stand back and watch IA troops in Siachen starved and then butchered by PA? Musharraf's short-sighted warplan could very well have resulted in a major conflict. The diplomatic option fortunately worked, saving both countries from a debilitating war.

The wisdom of Musharraf's Kargil plan has been discredited a long time ago by PA officers and Pak analysts. Only a few hardcore Musharraf supporters still believe it was a smart move.

 

[asq]

No sir, you did not...in Kargil '99, NLI troops hiked up unoccupied ridges and started directing artillery fire onto Srinagar-Leh NH1, with the goal of disrupting the vital Indian military supply chain to Ladakh region. The aim was supposedly to choke off supplies to Siachen, softening it up sufficiently for PA to recapture the heights lost since 1987.

Though ambitious by design, the strategy was incredibly short-sighted as it only presumed that India would not cross LOC. Musharraf and his planners failed to foresee that India could put diplomatic pressure on GoP. GoP was in a weak position due to sanctions imposed after the nuclear tests.

Had diplomatic pressure not worked, GoI would have ordered IA to cross LOC not only in Kargil but along other fronts as well. What other option would GoI have? Stand back and watch IA troops in Siachen starved and then butchered by PA? Musharraf's short-sighted warplan could very well have resulted in a major conflict. The diplomatic option fortunately worked, saving both countries from a debilitating war.

The wisdom of Musharraf's Kargil plan has been discredited a long time ago by PA officers and Pak analysts. Only a few hardcore Musharraf supporters still believe it was a smart move.

You are totally wrong buddy, Had the prime minister taken a stand and not withdraw from kargil, there would have been a standoff, India would not dared to cross LOC, since it is not 1965 and Pakistan had Nuclear weapons,and U.N. would have jumped in to save the catastrophe from happening,

Now some time u have to take a stand as India was aggressor in Siachan when it took Pakistani controlled area by the virtue of Pak being few days late in that summer, u even awarded your soldier an award for sneaking into Pakistani are when Pak army was not there. though the understanding was that each winter both Armies vacate the area and in summer re-occupy

But the pity is that your Army fired upon withdrawing Pak force which u had promised not to do when Pak leader agreed with big brothers solution.Most of our soldiers were martyred when withdrawing, not when holding the ground, what an Indian Army shooting soldiers from behind even after understanding.

It was a smart move by Musharraf, those who disagree do not know or consider the fact in kashmir and when u mention about some Pakistani experts saying so i Believe it is a propaganda, and let me remind you the facts, As for as Pakistan and U.N. is concerned kashmir is a disputed territory, Unilaterally declaring it as your part means nothing to the world body and Pakistan.

Musharraf thought about it rightly as Pak army was making bunker and establishing positions in your area for few years without you even knowing about it, It was brilliant but alas someone sold us out, I would not name names, but it was brilliant as our Brave Army operated in your are for few years without you knowing it. Excellent moves.

 

[RedBaron]

You are totally wrong buddy, Had the prime minister taken a stand and not withdraw from kargil, there would have been a standoff, India would not dared to cross LOC, since it is not 1965 and Pakistan had Nuclear weapons,and U.N. would have jumped in to save the catastrophe from happening,

When was the last time UN prevented a war? Considering the risk that the NH1 disruption posed to Leh and Siachen garrison, GoI would not care a damn about UN or anyone else, but ask IA to go on the offensive.

Now some time u have to take a stand as India was aggressor in Siachan when it took Pakistani controlled area by the virtue of Pak being few days late in that summer, u even awarded your soldier an award for sneaking into Pakistani are when Pak army was not there. though the understanding was that each winter both Armies vacate the area and in summer re-occupy

Links and sources, please. Mods may want us to debate this on a separate thread, maybe Military History.

But the pity is that your Army fired upon withdrawing Pak force which u had promised not to do when Pak leader agreed with big brothers solution.Most of our soldiers were martyred when withdrawing, not when holding the ground, what an Indian Army shooting soldiers from behind even after understanding.

Links and sources, please.

It was a smart move by Musharraf, those who disagree do not know or consider the fact in kashmir and when u mention about some Pakistani experts saying so i Believe it is a propaganda, and let me remind you the facts, As for as Pakistan and U.N. is concerned kashmir is a disputed territory, Unilaterally declaring it as your part means nothing to the world body and Pakistan.

Frankly, it does not matter. GoI is just fine with status quo on the ground.

Musharraf thought about it rightly as Pak army was making bunker and establishing positions in your area for few years without you even knowing about it, It was brilliant but alas someone sold us out, I would not name names, but it was brilliant as our Brave Army operated in your are for few years without you knowing it. Excellent moves.

Well, if the idea was so brilliant, they are welcome to repeat it again in any sector: Kargil, Siachen, Uri, Chamb/Poonch, anyplace, anytime....

 

[asq]

When was the last time UN prevented a war? Considering the risk that the NH1 disruption posed to Leh and Siachen garrison, GoI would not care a damn about UN or anyone else, but ask IA to go on the offensive.

when U.N. sees the catastrophe ready to happen.

I remember distinctly reading this in an Indian paper in Canada that a Sikh of Indian Army got to the Pakistani point and seeing that pak fauj is not there yet, took advantage of the situation by taking the pak area, he was awarded a medal, and Indian Army occupied the pak area that is how the war in Siobhan started.And that is the truth.

Links and sources, please. Mods may want us to debate this on a separate thread, maybe Military History.


Links and sources, please.
Bi hate giving u the links as u r a guest and an indian to boot, why do we Pakistanis have to cater u and your questions all the time on our Army forum.

to tell u how u guys are i tred to sign on your Rakshak, they refused to sign me on saying this name cannot be accepted. what a balony.

But since we are truthful and fair people , i will give the link.
GO READ THE BOOK WRITTEN BY MUSHARRAF, IT IS IN THERE.

Frankly, it does not matter. GoI is just fine with status quo on the ground.


Well, if the idea was so brilliant, they are welcome to repeat it again in any sector: Kargil, Siachen, Uri, Chamb/Poonch, anyplace, anytime....

Buddy same things are not repeated in Army, always new ideas are explored, and this time your Rakshak had no clue that our braves were operating in your area building trenches and transporting heavy equipment for months if not years.

We shall surprise you once again, u wait and see, but we will not shoot u from behind and we will not take advantage of u as we did not when china was wreaking hell on your rakshak, we could have taken the kashmir during your vulnerability. but we thought about it and decided not to take advantage. at the time buddy.

I know from experience that u will not hesitate to open another front and cross the international boundary, when we the civilized one, are only fighting in a disputed territory as the U.N. has declared it so.

U guys make your own rules about international laws and you don't seem to give a hoot about international boundaries and threaten to cross international line without any second thought. u sir are not fit to be the member of U.N. let alone be part of its security counsel. If u want to be the member of elite group of U.N and you need to follow its rules. or else u sir are a hypocrite.

An amnesty international report about Sikh killings

This November will mark 20 years since those days of terror and death. Several reports by Indian human rights groups on the killings and more than half a dozen official government commissions have come, and mostly gone. Yet no Indian politician accused of complicity in fomenting the attacks has been tried. No one in authority responsible for the astonishing negligence in law enforcement has resigned. Indeed, the federal minister then in charge of home affairs, P. V. Narasimha Rao, went on to become prime minister seven years later (after the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi, Indira’s son and another victim of her disastrous statecraft, this time with respect to Sri Lanka). In 1992, it was Prime Minister Narasimha Rao who stood aside once again when a Hindu mob tore down a sixteenth-century mosque in the northern town of Ayodhya. That outburst, in turn, foreshadowed the slaughter of about 2,000 Muslims in 2002 in the state of Gujarat—ironically, the birthplace of Mahatma Gandhi.

http://www.worldpolicy.org/journal/articles/wpj04-2/Crossette.html

 

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