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It's times like this I wonder whether I'm talking to adults.

you once said:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-foreign-affairs/120369-white-house-admits-war-iran.html#post1946769

Do you expect everyone to agree with you just because you are being loud and unreasonable?



now ask yourself the same question......


Is it too much to require Pakistanis to evaluate BOTH sides of an argument?

i'd ask YOU to do the same first

Think about what happened in Swat, AZ.

an insurgency picked up steam; the military waged counter-insurgency ops there using military and also through the use of soft power; they also managed to find a way to bring a semblance of sustainable peace to the scenic region and now, Alhamdolillah, it is free from terrorists.



So it isn't that the P.A. is "taking directives or serving the interests of another country." Often (remember Wikileaks!) it's just that the U.S. has been providing recommendations before Pakistan has been prepared to accept them.

directives? not necessarily....though it was a mix of ''pressure to act'' and also (in the case of Swat) doing something that was by far in our own existential interests.

however, the U.S. now wants us to blindly do whatever it tells us to do and Pakistan hasn't been complying (i.e. the whole Haqqani debate)

it's unfortunate that little has been done to stop Afghan soil from being used by terrorists to attack Pakistan --but sooner than later I think we will realize that a job done right is a job which we are left to do on our own. NATO/ISAF has largely failed in Afghanistan.

I don't doubt that Pakistanis being what they are and manipulated as they have been, the people of Swat still blame the U.S. for their suffering, rather than the tardiness of their own Army and government, do you?

who the fack cares? Do the fine guys at Langley care what some simple tribesmen along the Afghan border think, prior to firing predators near them? Why should they care anyways, when our spineless government doesn't care? As far as the so-called ''AfPak'' theatre is concerned, I don't think it's NATO policy to consider collateral damage.

As for Swat, The Rah-e-Rast campaign was a success, normalcy is returning to the Valley. The nation stands behind the resilient and brave, God-fearing people of Swat.


 
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you once said: Do you expect everyone to agree with you just because you are being loud and unreasonable? now ask yourself the same question....
How can I be accused of being "unreasonable" by pointing out that in representing the article I linked to Aryan_B left out the most relevant part of it?

Is it too much to require Pakistanis to evaluate BOTH sides of an argument?
i'd ask YOU to do the same first
Have you found examples when I did not? Am I really that blind? Be explicit, please.

the U.S. now wants us to blindly do whatever it tells us to do and Pakistan hasn't been complying
Precisely what Pakistanis thought BEFORE the P.A. decided upon the offensive to retake Swat. So if we measure by deeds, the U.S. isn't blind, after all; it just has sees further than Pakistanis give America credit for.

Do the fine guys at Langley care what some simple tribesmen along the Afghan border think, prior to firing predators near them? Why should they care anyways, when our spineless government doesn't care? As far as the so-called ''AfPak'' theatre is concerned, I don't think it's NATO policy to consider collateral damage.
I guess they do or they'd be using cheap dumb bombs instead of smart bombs that lessen the chance of hitting the wrong people and places.

As for Swat, The Rah-e-Rast campaign was a success, normalcy is returning to the Valley.
"Normalcy" for Swat would be a return to the princely rule of the 1960s - and that's not happening. The people of Swat are back to the corrupt and slow ways of Pakistan's bureaucracy instead. Would they ever have supported the Taliban if the Pakistani government had done better for them?
 
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the people of Swat have no interest to go back to Princely Rule (I would know by the way --- i know the region and its people)....those are old political setups which are no longer relevant now.

they (TTP) took over Swat not merely because they enjoyed some local support, but because they intimidated the locals...unlike the people of tribal areas, Swatis are generally not resistant people. Looking to today, the problem has been largely resolved. There was no need for fake vaccine campaigns, or billions of dollars expended on contractors or drones. Military and political means were employed and they brought about results.

in that sense, Pakistan has had far greater successes at COIN in 2-3 years than did NATO/ISAF in over a decade (their longest ever war fought)......and our men were learning on the job; traditionally they've been trained to fight conventional wars....not proxy wars. But things worked out well and in fact they will continue the mission until the job is done --regardless of whether allies (reliable and unreliable alike) understand or show any acknowledgement about it

what's most important is that Pakistanis never forget the sacrifices rendered by the Army and by the people themselves

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the people of Swat have no interest to go back to Princely Rule (I would know by the way --- i know the region and its people)....those are old political setups which are no longer relevant now.

they (TTP) took over Swat not merely because they enjoyed some local support, but because they intimidated the locals...unlike the people of tribal areas, Swatis are generally not resistant people. Looking to today, the problem has been largely resolved. There was no need for fake vaccine campaigns, or billions of dollars expended on contractors or drones. Military and political means were employed and they brought about results.

in that sense, Pakistan has had far greater successes at COIN in 2-3 years than did NATO/ISAF in over a decade (their longest ever war fought)......and our men were learning on the job; traditionally they've been trained to fight conventional wars....not proxy wars. But things worked out well and in fact they will continue the mission until the job is done --regardless of whether allies (reliable and unreliable alike) understand or show any acknowledgement about it

what's most important is that Pakistanis never forget the sacrifices rendered by the Army and by the people themselves

i dont think Pakistanis care a damn about what some two-bit journalist @ New York Slimes thinks or writes
 
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This story highlights the ongoing need for rigorous immunizations programs in Pakistan, a fact that assumes importance considering the potential fallout on these prgrams from the Dr. Afridi case.

from: Polio in Pakistan: Paralysis | The Economist

Polio in Pakistan
Paralysis
One more way in which Pakistan fails its people

Oct 15th 2011 | ISLAMABAD | from the print edition

That’s all it takes

FOR a symptom of Pakistan’s problems, consider the spread of poliomyelitis. This week brought the 115th confirmed case of polio, a crippling and at times fatal disease passed on virally, mainly through bad hygiene. The tally is well up on last year.

In most countries polio is barely a memory. Rich countries had largely eliminated it by the 1970s, and many poor countries soon followed suit. Three decades ago the world saw an estimated 400,000 polio cases a year. Thanks to a cheap and effective vaccine, administered by two drops into a child’s mouth and washed down with dollops of public and private money, the annual global number is now roughly 1,000.

Only in South Asia and Nigeria is it still endemic, though it occasionally flares elsewhere. Since even wretched countries such as Sudan and Myanmar are rid of polio, doctors dream it could follow smallpox and rinderpest to become the third disease wiped from the planet. For hope, look at India. Last year it had just 44 cases of polio, down from an estimated 250,000 three decades ago. Sarah Crowe, of UNICEF in Delhi, credits “one of the biggest mass mobilisations ever for public health”. This year teams of workers headed to train stations, schools and villages, mostly in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, dosing children with vaccines and promoting habits like soapy hand-washing. Pitiful levels of sanitation persist: fewer Indians (about 50%) have toilets than have mobile phones. But this health campaign is working.

By contrast Pakistan flounders, even though the president, Asif Zardari, declared a national polio emergency in January and received help from the United Nations and the Gates Foundation. “Definitely the cases are on the rise”, says a glum Dr Altaf Bosan, who heads the government campaign.

Blame insecurity most. Three-quarters of last year’s cases were in conflict-ridden areas. The ignorance of religious leaders does not help, with their suspicion of foreign ways. Nor does poor government management. The World Health Organisation thinks that over 200,000 Pakistani children missed their polio vaccinations in the past couple of years. The worst-affected spots are Baluchistan, beset by sectarian massacres and police killings, and the unstable Federally Administered Tribal Areas near the Afghan border. Southern Sindh, deluged by two years of floods, has also been hit.

As more people migrate—because of violence, floods or economic need—the virus has travelled north, to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Gilgit-Baltistan and beyond. Ten polio cases reported last month in the Chinese region of Xinjiang, which borders Pakistan, were the first in China since 1999. Eastern Afghanistan also struggles with eradication, given insecurity and its porous borders. But the heart of the problem is Pakistan. Officials conceded in January that the country could be “the last remaining reservoir of endemic poliovirus transmission in the world, and the only remaining threat to achieving global polio eradication.” That is no distinction to savour.

from the print edition | Asia
 
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A symptom of Pakistan’s maladies
The hounding of the doctor who helped the US catch Osama bin Laden shows that Pakistan is losing the plot in the war against terror.
By Badar Alam

In 2002, Pakistani newspapers carried front-page ads promising a multi-million dollar prize for anyone providing information on the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden. For those who did not or could not have access to newspapers, the same message was disseminated through matchstick boxes available in grocery shops and roadside kiosks selling cigarettes across northwest Pakistan.

In 2011, however, someone who did help in finding Osama is being put to trial for high treason. Dr Shakil Afridi, an official of Pakistan’s health department who ran a fake vaccination campaign to confirm the al Qaeda chief’s presence in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad, may get death sentence if found guilty of what in Pakistan is seen as collaboration with a foreign power against the security and sovereignty of his own country.

A lot has indeed changed between then and now. The early intimacy and intensity of the combined Pakistani and American drive against al Qaeda in the early 2000s has been replaced by an impasse in the ties between Islamabad and Washington in which each side is accusing the other of duplicity and backstabbing. If nothing else, the tense Pakistan-US ties explain why the return for helping nab Osama has malformed from rich financial reward to a possible loss of life.

On a broader level, Dr Afridi and his circumstances symbolise the predicament that Pakistan is facing in its struggle against religious militancy on the one hand and its efforts to forge an equitable and dignified relationship with the US on the other. Most, if not all, in Pakistan agree that armed and violent religious and sectarian groups are a threat to the country’s security and stability. Though there is no consensus on how to deal with them, everyone seems to regard them as dangerous, barring a lunatic few. There is also a similar consensus that Pakistan doesn’t need to accept a conditional relationship with the US. Washington, not unlike the religion-inspired militants, is increasingly seen as a part of many problems that Pakistan is facing — religious militancy and political instability — rather than as a part of the solutions that it urgently requires in the fields of economy, energy, education, environment and employment. Perpetually threatened by violence in the name of religion and constantly squeezed under Washington’s selfish pursuit of its economic, diplomatic and strategic interests in Afghanistan in particular and South Asia in general, the State and the society in Pakistan are reacting in self-contradictory ways. It is in the context of such mutually conflicting expressions of public and private will in Pakistan that the recommendations to treat Dr Afridi without even so much as a modicum of leniency should be understood.

Consider the case of soldiers and officials in the country’s military who have launched numerous violent challenges to their own institution and its leadership over the past decade or so. Air force and military officials were involved in multiple terrorist attacks on former president Pervez Musharraf first in December 2003 and then in ’06 and ’07; a couple of mid-ranking army officers have been under detention and interrogation since 2009 for leaking sensitive information about an air force base to terrorist groups. In at least two most deadly terrorist attacks on extremely important military sites in 2009 and ’11, the attackers were getting information and help from inside the security forces. Military spokesmen have confirmed that former and working soldiers and officers of Pakistan’s security forces have been arrested and being interrogated and tried for the 2009 attack on the army’s General Headquarters in Rawalpindi and a May 2011 ambush inside a naval base in Karachi. A high-ranking army officer, Maj Gen Ali Khan, is facing a court martial for his affiliation to banned religious organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir that regularly invites the military to overthrow the democratic government and establish an Islamic caliphate.

In the otherwise highly disciplined armed forces of Pakistan that have lost more soldiers and officers in the fight against religious militancy than all foreign forces put together have in neighboring Afghanistan, such incidents are not just troubling. They are, in fact, emblems of dangerous ideological and policy faultlines within the security forces struggling with the double squeeze of mindlessly deadly religious violence and selfishly blinkered American policy towards Pakistan.

The other most visible manifestation of this double-layered straitjacket is the stance of the country’s political parties on issues such as the American drone strikes in Pakistan’s northwester frontier regions, the ways and means to counter and curb religious militancy and Islamabad’s diplomatic and strategic relations with Washington.

Across the political spectrum in Pakistan, drone attacks are universally condemned as counterproductive and violating Pakistan’s territory and sovereignty. Only late last month, an officially convened conference of all political parties unanimously resolved to oppose and stop them. The conference also declared that Pakistan was united behind its military against America’s real and perceived military, diplomatic and economic threats aimed at pushing Pakistan into action against certain Afghan militant groups. The participants also agreed that Pakistan needed to open dialogue with the Pakistani religious militant groups.

An almost similarly sounding joint parliamentary resolution in the wake of America’s successful operation in Abbottabad vowed to do whatever it took to stop similar breaches of the country’s security and sovereignty in the future without even so much as mentioning the man for whom the Americans had taken the risk of intruding into the Pakistani territory.

Many aspirants to political power regularly spew anti-America rhetoric to drum up electoral support — with cricketer-turned- politician Imran Khan leading the pack. Many of the Opposition politicians indeed see America-bashing as a means to cosy up with the all-powerful military establishment whose stamp of approval is the most precious coin of the political realm in Pakistan. Rub the anti-America rhetorical flourishes of Pakistan’s politics and soon you realise that, barring a few lunatics, no one is advocating a head-on collision with Washington — not even Imran Khan. In fact, most politicians understand the need to have normal diplomatic ties with the US even when the most radical types among them suggest joining a supposed Iran-China-Russia alliance against the West. Political parties and leaders in power at the national and federal level are even more acutely aware of remaining engaged with the West in general and Washington in particular. Unsurprisingly, they praise the American drone strikes as the only effective tool against non-Pakistani militants hiding in safe havens along the AfPak border that are otherwise inaccessible and where Pakistani military is reluctant to launch a security operation. If there is a single ideological thread running through all these self-perpetuating gaps between political rhetoric and private admission it goes something like this: The US has always used Pakistan as a tissue paper; it has never really helped Pakistan in troubled times; and it is arm-twisting Islamabad into submission to create a South Asia where India dominates everyone else and Afghanistan serves as its proxy. Such self-justifying anti-Americanism is, in fact, pervasive in today’s Pakistan.

And it helps explain the curious case of Dr Afridi. By keeping the Pakistanis out of the loop on the Osama operation and then invading many hundred miles into Pakistani territory in the dead of the night, the Americans are seen to have betrayed Pakistan’s trust and backstabbed a State that is at the forefront of the US’ war against terrorism. This is, however, not the first time that Washington is perceived as having given preference to a cold calculation of its interest over the need to keep Pakistan and Pakistanis in good cheer. It is this lack of trust in the US that lies at the heart of official Pakistani proclamations to put Dr Afridi on trial for treason.

Compare this with the time when bilateral ties between Islamabad and Washington were not at as tense as they are now. Pakistani security and intelligence agencies then worked closely with their American counterparts to nab scores of al Qaeda and Taliban leaders and foot soldiers and dispatch them to Guantanamo Bay, but no one was ever criticised, let alone arrested and tried over collaboration with a foreign power. In fact, as Musharraf has acknowledged in his book In the Line of Fire, millions of dollars flowed to Pakistani individuals and institutions as a reward from Washington, no questions asked, no names mentioned.

Badar Alam is editor of the political monthly magazine, Herald.
badaralam@gmail.com
 
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