Church leaders in India condemn decision to deny equality to low-caste Christians and Muslims

[ranjeet]

Why jatts like you want reservations??..Aren't they falls under General category???..

Is it that hard to stay on the topic? Why Christians wants to follow regressive caste system of a religion they denounced?

so its ok to paste all Christians as %&¥¥??..may be a commendable patriotic act for a Hindu like you...
We can also say many such terms against Hindus,for eg-Dalit raping/killing,Gujarat riots,dadri killing..But we are not that cheap,that too in a Pakistan forum..

I know you are not that cheap, the constant flow of funding from Western countries is proof enough.

 

[mooppan]

because they belong to a lesser religion called Hinduism who discriminates among own followers in name of caste... but how come there are dalits in scientific and god's own religions like Islam and Christianity.

LOL..
But jatts are the most dominant group in haryana and falls under high caste category..who are oppressing them?? jatt sikhs?? or the Punjabi Muslims across the border??

 

[punit]

LOL..
But jatts are the most dominant group in haryana and falls under high caste category..who are oppressing them?? jatt sikhs?? or the Punjabi Muslims across the border??

does not matter .. they are hindus and due to the unscientific nature of Hinduism .. any one except Brahmins can be discriminated. but why dalits in the religion of book?

 

[ranjeet]

does not matter .. they are hindus and due to the unscientific nature of Hinduism .. any one except Brahmins can be discriminated. but why dalits in the religion of book?

He won't say anything on topic unless someone pays him. Baap bada na bhaiya sabse bada rupaiya.

 

[The_Showstopper]

I support the govt. on this one.
Islam and Christianity do not have casteism. The whole point was to escape casteism when these people converted, why come back to Hinduism now for sops?
Such opportunists.

So just because they converted, their financial woes just vanish? I wouldn't comment about Christianity as I don't know much about it... In Islam if a Dalit converts, he is treated as an equal and is allowed to perform all the religious duties and gets all the rights. That doesn't mean his financial status changes overnight. How does his change of faith affect his financial standing?

 

[paritosh]

So just because they converted, their financial woes just vanish? I wouldn't comment about Christianity as I don't know much about it... In Islam if a Dalit converts, he is treated as an equal and is allowed to perform all the religious duties and gets all the rights. That doesn't mean his financial status changes overnight. How does his change of faith affect his financial standing?

When have the quotas been allocated to correspond to financial standing?
Quotas were designed to do away with years of casteist subjugation within Hinduism. If you convert you are doing away with years of casteist subjugation.

 

[Soulspeek]

When the USP of Islam and Christianity is said to be "no caste", why should there be the concept of Dalit Christians or Muslims. Dalits want to have the cake and eat it too!

I strongly oppose this move by such bodies. In my opinion reservation should be merit based. Revoke all other kinds of reservations.

One more thing. If Government wants to support poor people by giving them some sort of reservation in jobs etc, it should not be perennial quota. Once a member of the family has secured a govt job, his children should not get any kind of financial or job reservation again. I am saying this because once you land a Govt job, you are already moved to upper middle class..

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

If I am correct Mr Ambedkar put 2 points to escape Casteism .

01 Convert to Buddhism
02 Abolish Casteism .

Most Caste Hindus if not all are in favour of abolishing Caste system ( Jati ) as it was a system created by Illiterates .
But those who suffer due to casteism are neither in favor of 1st nor 2nd point .

 

[Razia Sultana]

My friends who say not caste but only economic backwardness should be the only criterion for reservation, perhaps do not know anything about the reservations.

Reservations found their way into Indian constitution as a result of Poona Pact, 1932 signed between Gandhi and Ambedkar which formed the basis for reservations to untouchable castes and tribals. While untouchability was exclusive to Hindu or Indian origin religions, tribes were based on their ethnicity and areas they lived. Thats the reason that when a tribal converts to any religion he retains his constitutional reservation status but when an untouchable converts to a religion on non-indian origin his social status changes in his own community.

A tribal or an untouchable may be a millionnaire or a billionnaire but the outlook of the so called civilized and high caste people does not change towards them. It is the reason why reservations are not valid on economic grounds. They face discrimination because of their social status regardless of their economic or educational status. Mandal Commission, however, recommended reservations for economically and educationally backward castes. The commission found a pattern in economic and educational backwardness of certain castes and recommended corrective measures. This backwardness had nothing to do with religious affiliation but universal and thats why certain muslims are also part of OBC reservation. While Islam and Christianity assure socio-religious equality among its followers, the same can not be assured for economic and education inequality.

In my personal opinion economic and educational backwardness for reservations can not be considered unless the religion, caste or ethnicity was responsible for this backwardness and in that case the basis for reservations become caste, religion or ethnicity. Today Parsis in India are the richest and forward community but yet they are provided with special privileges to increase their population. In this they will be at par with the Andaman tribes on the verge of extinction. A special constitutional privilege shoud be viewed with a specific perspective and not generalized.

 

[mpk1988]

good,highly cultural and tolerant statement from a viraat Hindu,who suppose to respect all faith..

I don't respect these jackasses that pass these nonsensical comments. Head preists, clergymen etc.. N that goes for the ones in my religion too. I will continue to insult them.. N I will give respect if I get it back. Unfortunately, with abrahamic religious leaders that's a joke..

 

[The_Showstopper]

When have the quotas been allocated to correspond to financial standing?
Quotas were designed to do away with years of casteist subjugation within Hinduism. If you convert you are doing away with years of casteist subjugation.

If that is the case then who subjugated OBC's? Why have patels, jats, marathas etc demanded quotas since I did not see them getting subjugated within Hinduism at any point of time..