What's new

Choppergate raises question marks over Dassault's re-entry into MMRCA

shree835

BANNED
Joined
Jun 26, 2010
Messages
3,005
Reaction score
-19
Country
India
Location
India
Choppergate raises question marks over Dassault's re-entry into MMRCA.

Dassault Aviation flew back into the race after being ejected initially for technical non-compliance.

Deal to acquire 12 helicopters from AgustaWesland for VVIP use has gone sour due to allegations of kickbacks paid to alter tender requirements in its favor.

AgustaWestland was not in the race initially but went on to win the contract apparently, due to the modifications.

'Choppergate', as this scandal is popularly called now threatens to engulf Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) - the $15 billion tender to acquire 126 fighters for the Indian Air Force.

As it turns out, Choppergate has an uncanny similarity to MMRCA.

Dassault Aviation, the French Company who's Rafale has been selected by the Ministry of Defense as the preferred bidder was ousted from the contract in the beginning but then made a dramatic re-entry to emerge at the top.

Rafale edged out the American F-16 and F-18, Russian MiG 35 and Sweden's Gripen on the basis of technical performance and the pan-European Eurofighter Consortium's Typhoon on life-cycle costs.

Reportedly, in April 2009 Rafale was officially knocked out during the technical evaluation stage of the MMRCA for non-compliance. The aircraft was barred from taking part in the next stage of the evaluation process i.e. the field trials. As was reported at the time, there were gaps in the technical bid submitted by Dassault. Ministry of Defense queried the French company seeking clarification. However, not convinced by the incomplete responses it received, the ministry excluded Dassault from further participation in the tender.

Then a month later, news appeared of Rafale being back in the race. A defence ministry official was quoted as saying "Since it was only paper evaluation and the French company Dassault Aviation has now supplied the missing answers, the Defense Procurement Board has decided to allow Rafale to take part in the actual field trials."

At the time much was not made of Dassault's sudden change of fortune. Why would a company leave gaps in its bid and then respond callously to official clarification for a tender widely regarded as the mother of all defence deals in India? More importantly, what prompted Ministry of Defence to make a u-turn and reverse its decision of disqualifying Dassault?

Choppergate has brought these questions back in focus.

Incidentally, almost three years after the comeback and just weeks after it emerged lowest bidder (L-1) in January 2012, media reports appeared of two senior defense ministry officials disagreeing with the cost calculations leading to Rafale's selection. Both officials were part of the high level Contract Negotiation Committee (CNC) constituted by the Ministry of Defense to negotiate MMRCA. Apparently, some information was missing in the French company's bid forcing CNC to make assumptions. The contention of the dissenting officials was that no one had validated those assumptions. Both officials, initially refused to counter sign the calculations but later surrendered after noting their reservations on the file.

This was followed by a letter from then Rajya Sabha MP M.V. Mysura Reddy to Defense Minister Antony alleging irregularities in the selection process. Reddy sought a review of the whole procedure. Antony responded by ordering an internal enquiry which later gave a green signal.

However, now Choppergate has thrown a fresh challenge in the speedy conclusion of MMRCA which has been termed "highest priority" acquisition by the Air Force Chief.

Determined to not let MMRCA become another scandal, Antony has promised multiple levels of scrutiny by different government agencies including the Central Vigilance Commission before the deal moves to Finance Ministry and finally the Cabinet committee on Security for approval.

This vetting is bound to add to the time it will take to resolve the outstanding issues. According to highly placed sources cost inflation by Dassault, its unwillingness to transfer high technology and reservations against a lead role for Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) in the local production of 108 aircrafts are some of the sticking points.

In an indication that contract signature is still some distance away, Dassault Aviation Chief Executive Eric Trappier reportedly said in February at Aero India "It's not surprising that it takes a bit of time." "The ideal would be to sign it in 2013" Trappier added.

Choppergate raises question marks over Dassault's re-entry into MMRCA - Indian Express
 
.
Great, I knew it was only a natter of time before this nonsense found its way to the MMRCA.


Jesus, this BS allegation has drawn two completely different procurements together. These loudmouths are now going to cost India, expect delays on the signing now.

Seriously the Indian media is an utter shambles and I am inclined to think this writer has been paid by some invested party in the MMRCA competion.

I am sick and tired of these a-holes delaying critical deals based on pure hear-say and ignorance, where is the proffesionalism??!!


All this is compounded by a thoroughly selfish and spineless defence minister who will happily see deals delayed or even scrapped resulting,potentially, on the deaths if Indian military personal target than take a discretionary decision.

+afaik it was NEVER confirmed that the Rafale had been kicked out of the competion at any stage. Then again it was a case of pure BS media allegations that came to nothing.
 
.
Please bhagwan. Please dont ever make this deal go through another 10 years of tendering and retendering. Please
 
.
Please bhagwan. Please dont ever make this deal go through another 10 years of tendering and retendering. Please
If this deal is scrapped don't expect another MMRCA competion. It will be about stop-gaps if this happens ie a few more MKIs here, a few second hand M2k-5s there. God forbid the Migs (21 and 27) might have to stick around a bit longer.


In telling you- some of these journos are more dangerous to Indian national security than Pakistan!
 
.
Definitely a paid report by the congress party...
 
.
Definitely a paid report by the congress party...

Why would the Congress launch an attack aguasnt themselves? If there is any truth to these allegations ( which I'm 99% sure there isn't) the scale of corruption and loss to the Indian tax later will put the CWG,2G, coalgate etc in the shade. There is no doubt if this was found to be true, this case would bring the GoI down and would hand 2014 victory to the BJP.

I'm thinking more like EADS/EFT paid for this report, they are the most vocal "loser" and are constantly assuring they'll step into the breech if the Dassulat talks collapse. It was a few days back that the UK PM came to India saying as much.
 
.
Leave aside Performance

EFT was best for IAF rest of all the aspects such as early delivery and no such kickback issues.
 
.
This vetting is bound to add to the time it will take to resolve the outstanding issues.

Choppergate raises question marks over Dassault's re-entry into MMRCA - Indian Express

These m-fers! First they create the delays by making these BS allegations and then get all upset that the delays occur! Effing Indian media, there are no words to express my contempt for these fools who are working against their country in such a blatent manner.


I hope to god someone takes out some sort of lawsuit against these a-holes for slander and defamation. Not even the most basic of journalistic practices are followed it seems.

Leave aside Performance

EFT was best for IAF rest of all the aspects such as early delivery and no such kickback issues.
Please, in EVERY way the Rafale is better suited to the IAF's needs than the EFT. And why is there no kickback issue? There is already a proven case involving BAE sales of EFT to the Saudis of corruption and kick backs.


Wrt this story, it is pure BS, don't believe a word of it.
 
.
These m-fers! First they create the delays by making these BS allegations and then get all upset that the delays occur! Effing Indian media, there are no words to express my contempt for these fools who are working against their country in such a blatent manner.


I hope to god someone takes out some sort of lawsuit against these a-holes for slander and defamation. Not even the most basic of journalistic practices are followed it seems.


Please, in EVERY way the Rafale is better suited to the IAF's needs than the EFT. And why is there no kickback issue? There is already a proven case involving BAE sales of EFT to the Saudis of corruption and kick backs.


Wrt this story, it is pure BS, don't believe a word of it.

This Congress (Mom-Son Party) let us down like anything in every field.
 
.
Every major defense deal costs the nation an extra 7 to 10 percent that ends up in Sonia Maino's Pocket.

MMRCA should be no exception.

Where there are suckers (Indians) there are swindlers (Mainos)
 
.
Why would the Congress launch an attack aguasnt themselves? If there is any truth to these allegations ( which I'm 99% sure there isn't) the scale of corruption and loss to the Indian tax later will put the CWG,2G, coalgate etc in the shade. There is no doubt if this was found to be true, this case would bring the GoI down and would hand 2014 victory to the BJP.

I'm thinking more like EADS/EFT paid for this report, they are the most vocal "loser" and are constantly assuring they'll step into the breech if the Dassulat talks collapse. It was a few days back that the UK PM came to India saying as much.

MRCA won't impact congress in coming election as the common man is not bothered about what fighter we buy and when so it doesn't matter to congress but another corruption does.

At this time they won't want to venture into another big ticket item which might just open up another scandal with a scope of corruption. They are just so afraid of it right now that they wouldn't want to sign this deal before election and these kind of report will fit juuust right for their purpose.

Its not black and white....its politics. No one is worried about national security..its save a## time.
 
.
India media don't trust Indian government, that is the main problem. They always place the importance of anti corruption ahead of national defense. MMRCA bid may be rechecked in the future.
 
.
India media don't trust Indian government, that is the main problem. They always place the importance of anti corruption ahead of national defense. MMRCA bid may be rechecked in the future.

Indian media is free. And it has its disadvantages also.

I am certain that some companies are behind this who want Rafael out of India . Not going to happen.

And on recheck thing. It's been done twice. So no chance again. Deal will be signed in few months. Hopefully at the end of this month.

MMRCA is closed case. But the money involved is huge that some parties can't let it go easily. So we will be hearing this still sign on contract
 
.
If this deal is scrapped don't expect another MMRCA competion. It will be about stop-gaps if this happens ie a few more MKIs here, a few second hand M2k-5s there. God forbid the Migs (21 and 27) might have to stick around a bit longer.


In telling you- some of these journos are more dangerous to Indian national security than Pakistan!
Cancellation of this deal will force IAF to go for atleast 150+ Lca Mk2 if not more as they won't be left with any other option....

I completly agree with these journos and activist like Arundhati Roy are more dangerous for our security then pakistan...
 
.
I'm thinking more like EADS/EFT paid for this report, they are the most vocal "loser" and are constantly assuring they'll step into the breech if the Dassulat talks collapse. .

This.

They are acting like sore loosers and are not above that.
 
.

Latest posts

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom