Chinese win bid to supply subs to Thailand's navy

[Viet]

but kilo, also provided by russian this time, is rejected by thailand, not a single vote goes to kilo. note training package is also provided by china. u have to understand who is the potential enemy of thailand navy, it is obviously vietnam's kilo, no one in this world know better than chinese on how to kill a kilo, that is what 'training' means to thailand navy.

is Vietnam their perceived enemy? why thailand does not go for the Kilo? whatever the case, if you think training and operating Kilo Subs are easy it is is a big mistake. China operates Kilo, I think you should have known better.

the training is reportely hard, very hard for our submariners. not only in warfare, but fitness and endurance. do you know our submarines speak russian? we have access to russian database. the Crew can communicate with russian sailors, holding meetings in russian language. no chance for chinese spies to get anything when listening. the men, yes, our submariners defend our country at sea. they are the first line, and probably, too, the last line of defence.

 

[UKBengali]

Well you are right. However i thought you know why Thailand didn't choose Russian subs. Answer is: because Vietnam already uses Kilo submarines from Russia. We all know Thailand sees Vietnam and Malaysia as a potential threat. So there you go.

If the Chinese subs were inferior then Thailand would buy Kilo.

It also works the other way round that if Thailand was to buy Kilo then it would also know about Vietnam and Malaysia subs - simply the Chinese subs are better than the Russian ones.

Western subs probably are a little better still than Chinese subs but the huge extra cost was not worth it for the Thais.

@flamer84 : Any comments on yet another win for the Chinese arms industry to a middle-income country that had the ability to buy from any country it wanted?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

the gulf of thailand is very shallow. with max depth of 85m. it is much easier to detect subs than such hiding in the deep water of the SC Sea. even subs with AIP, provided you deliver 3 to thailand, will have hard times to escape detection. a AIP sub has advantages against a surface warship, but not against a conventional sub. AIP or not is the decision factor.

thai subs can operate in the indian ocean, but I don´t think our subs will go so far.

Same for your Kilo subs, they are even more vulnerable to the detection.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Well you are right. However i thought you know why Thailand didn't choose Russian subs. Answer is: because Vietnam already uses Kilo submarines from Russia. We all know Thailand sees Vietnam and Malaysia as a potential threat. So there you go.

Rubbish. There's no indication of that. Because if so Cambodia is more of a threat to Thailand. Remember the regime there even made speculation that Thaksin will brought an army of Cambodian Ninja to help him overthrow the Monarchy (I shit you not.)

 

[mike2000 is back]

Remember the regime there even made speculation that Thaksin will brought an army of Cambodian Ninja to help him overthrow the Monarchy (I shit you not.)

Really? ?.. ...............................

 

[Kyle Sun]

The speed, as I read, has been reduced from 300 to 200.



Thailand has decided to buy submarines from China. Should China be concerned? LOL. The Western spin machine runs on pure anti-China hatred which does not require logic or rationale.

Anticipate another spin from the same hatemongers.

we only supply the train . why thai gov revise the contract with us?

is Vietnam their perceived enemy? why thailand does not go for the Kilo? whatever the case, if you think training and operating Kilo Subs are easy it is is a big mistake. China operates Kilo, I think you should have known better.

the training is reportely hard, very hard for our submariners. not only in warfare, but fitness and endurance. do you know our submarines speak russian? we have access to russian database. the Crew can communicate with russian sailors, holding meetings in russian language. no chance for chinese spies to get anything when listening. the men, yes, our submariners defend our country at sea. they are the first line, and probably, too, the last line of defence.

what do you mean "you have access to the database of russia"?

 

[DaiViet]

Well you are right. However i thought you know why Thailand didn't choose Russian subs. Answer is: because Vietnam already uses Kilo submarines from Russia. We all know Thailand sees Vietnam and Malaysia as a potential threat. So there you go.

Not true, Vietnam chose Russia submarine despite it is know Chinese knows well of it. Thai Junta purchase Submarine from China just want to get support from Chinese government. They know well China Sub is cheap and low in quality. Thai's neighbor countries Cambodia, Lao, Myanmar, Malaysia do now have navy threat or dispute to Thailand. Thai also does not have much activity in sea. Unlike Vietnam which have interests toward their east sea, therefore they need strong navy.

It is costly to maintain and operate Subs.

 

[sicsheep]

Not true, Vietnam chose Russia submarine despite it is know Chinese knows well of it. Thai Junta purchase Submarine from China just want to get support from Chinese government. They know well China Sub is cheap and low in quality. Thai's neighbor countries Cambodia, Lao, Myanmar, Malaysia do now have navy threat or dispute to Thailand. Thai also does not have much activity in sea. Unlike Vietnam which have interests toward their east sea, therefore they need strong navy.

It is costly to maintain and operate Subs.

Vietnam bought Kilo not because Kilo is better, but because it is the only sub Vietnam can get its hands on at the time.

So Vietnam paid top buck for 1980 tech with few improvements.

 

[DaiViet]

Vietnam bought Kilo not because Kilo is better, but because it is the only sub Vietnam can get its hands on at the time.

So Vietnam paid top buck for 1980 tech with few improvements.

Who said Kilo is the only Sub Vietnam can get. French and Korea do offer Subs to Vietnam as well Dutch. Vietnam bought not only sub the value include training and training center provided by Russia. The new sub is much more advanced and quieter than old sub China bought from Russia.

 

[PIace of Space]

Who said Kilo is the only Sub Vietnam can get. French and Korea do offer Subs to Vietnam as well Dutch. Vietnam bought not only sub the value include training and training center provided by Russia. The new sub is much more advanced and quieter than old sub China bought from Russia.

Vietnam need to learn how build submarine by itself. Importing weapons can't take too big part of the country's military, it's neither safe nor saving money, taking Argentina for instance.

 

[macnurv]

Western propaganda mouthpieces will now try to say China was chosen because of tech transfer and training

The fact they don't like to admit is that Chinese submarines are now some of the best in the world. China's industrial capability and technological advancement has made Chinese submarines world class.

China is now a big weapons exporter.

China exports warships, submarines, tanks, artillery, fighter jet trainers, helicopters, fighter jets, air defences, etc.

Chinese military-industrial complex is rapidly advancing.

Jealous haters can continue to laugh at China while China continues to win military deals and increase its market share in the global arms industry like it has in every other industry.

Indeed, the only argument they can come up with is "Oh China produces 2nd rated products" yet all of the gadgets they are using are "Made in China". China have progressed leaps and bounds over the last 20 years, its not just the production house of Western designed products, but China is designing & producing quality tech now.
So these haters will come up with all kind of excuses to look down on China, since that is the only way they can feel superior anymore. The notion of inherent superiority of Western Tech is nothing but a sham now, may be 2 decades ago that was true but not anymore. Failed F-35 is the glaring example of this failure, but these people will use sound bites as facts.

How good is the quality of Chinese made sub?

I heard that they are very loud.
How long are their life time?

Yeah I also heard that the switches break after using few times, lol.
It depends a lot where you heard this from.

Just west media said, not photo to prove... and they said M1A1 undefeated tank and advanced F-22 is the best fighter ... i think we had seen their deadbody on TV news.

According to movies and games F-35 is the most dangerous 5th Generation jet, yet the god damn thing can't even keep itself in the air. Which major battle M1A1 have won against a tank of sizable comparision, Iraqi T-72s hardly can be counted as one. Their argument is what ever we produce is the best.

It was a cost effective choice. Russian Kilo would have been better, more affordable then EU but better quality than China.



It looks like subs won't be ready until 2020.

Thais went with an offer which suit better to their long term plans, as they need to build a submarine force from ground up and what China offered was the best deal.

Well you are right. However i thought you know why Thailand didn't choose Russian subs. Answer is: because Vietnam already uses Kilo submarines from Russia. We all know Thailand sees Vietnam and Malaysia as a potential threat. So there you go.

LOL, poor Malaysia is seen enemy by all the countries in the region. Malaysia is nothing but a toothless tiger just a report was published which stated that 70% of armed forces members are over weight and obese, and cardiovascular diseases accounting for 30% of fatalities in 2014. That means Malaysian soldiers are more likely to die of a heart attack than a bullet.
Furthermore Malaysia's foreign policy is based on pragmatism, and I haven't heard any Malaysian think tank suggesting policy of aggression towards any of its neighbours.

is Vietnam their perceived enemy? why thailand does not go for the Kilo? whatever the case, if you think training and operating Kilo Subs are easy it is is a big mistake. China operates Kilo, I think you should have known better.

the training is reportely hard, very hard for our submariners. not only in warfare, but fitness and endurance. do you know our submarines speak russian? we have access to russian database. the Crew can communicate with russian sailors, holding meetings in russian language. no chance for chinese spies to get anything when listening. the men, yes, our submariners defend our country at sea. they are the first line, and probably, too, the last line of defence.

So China can't spy on Vietnam because they like to communicate in Russian. Too bad Chinese can't learn Russian, problem solved.

Not true, Vietnam chose Russia submarine despite it is know Chinese knows well of it. Thai Junta purchase Submarine from China just want to get support from Chinese government. They know well China Sub is cheap and low in quality. Thai's neighbor countries Cambodia, Lao, Myanmar, Malaysia do now have navy threat or dispute to Thailand. Thai also does not have much activity in sea. Unlike Vietnam which have interests toward their east sea, therefore they need strong navy.

It is costly to maintain and operate Subs.

More blab blab BS devoid of facts, but don't let that stop you. Carry on.

 

[cnleio]

According to movies and games F-35 is the most dangerous 5th Generation jet, yet the god damn thing can't even keep itself in the air. Which major battle M1A1 have won against a tank of sizable comparision, Iraqi T-72s hardly can be counted as one. There argument is what ever we produce is the best.

Lots of M1A1 destroyed by ISIS RPGs and anti-tank missiles in Iraqi... many pics on internet released by ISIS. The ever famous M1A1 tank died in ISIS hands, not as undefeated as West media said.

 

[dichoi]

Chinese Type 69 Tanks Sleeps with Fishes

The last call of duty for 25 Chinese-made tanks will not be as killing machines but to provide a breeding ground for marine life in the Gulf of Thailand.

The T69-2 tanks have been handed over to the Department of Fisheries and will form artificial reefs.

Some were transported by truck from the Surathampitak Camp in Nakhon Ratchasima to Bangkok's Klong Toey Port yesterday.

The rest will follow tomorrow and Monday.

Then they will be shipped from the port and placed in the compound of Thaksin Ratchaniwet Palace in Narathiwat before being dropped into the Gulf of Thailand off Narathiwat and Pattani.

The tanks will serve as artificial reefs to provide breeding grounds for marine life.

Col Mungkorn Wankrua, deputy chief of the Ordnance Department's munitions maintenance centre, said yesterday the delivery of the tanks was in response to Her Majesty the Queen's artificial coral project initiated to improve marine ecosystems and increase fish stocks in the sea off Thailand, particularly in the southern provinces of Narathiwat and Pattani .

The tanks were placed in service for the 16th Tank Battalion in 1987 and decommissioned in 2004.

The army purchased them from China in 1987 when Chavalit Yongchaiyudh served as the army chief, an army source said.

Gen Chavalit was then known to have friendly relations with senior Chinese army officers.

When he was in the top position, his policy was to modernise the army using the model of the US army.

But he looked to China for help to realise his ambition. "The Chinese tanks were not so good compared with those from Europe," the source said.

"But for Thailand, which did not have much money at the time, it was better to get them than nothing. They were bought at a 50% discount."

The problem came when the Chinese army stopped manufacturing the tanks and parts became scarce.

The Thai army could not afford to repair the tanks, the source said.

Maintenance works for the tanks stopped six years ago because there were no more parts available, the source said.

Chinese Type 69 Tanks Sleeps with Fishes

 

[cnleio]

Chinese Type 69 Tanks Sleeps with Fishes

The last call of duty for 25 Chinese-made tanks will not be as killing machines but to provide a breeding ground for marine life in the Gulf of Thailand.

The T69-2 tanks have been handed over to the Department of Fisheries and will form artificial reefs.

Some were transported by truck from the Surathampitak Camp in Nakhon Ratchasima to Bangkok's Klong Toey Port yesterday.

The rest will follow tomorrow and Monday.

Then they will be shipped from the port and placed in the compound of Thaksin Ratchaniwet Palace in Narathiwat before being dropped into the Gulf of Thailand off Narathiwat and Pattani.

The tanks will serve as artificial reefs to provide breeding grounds for marine life.

Col Mungkorn Wankrua, deputy chief of the Ordnance Department's munitions maintenance centre, said yesterday the delivery of the tanks was in response to Her Majesty the Queen's artificial coral project initiated to improve marine ecosystems and increase fish stocks in the sea off Thailand, particularly in the southern provinces of Narathiwat and Pattani .

The tanks were placed in service for the 16th Tank Battalion in 1987 and decommissioned in 2004.

The army purchased them from China in 1987 when Chavalit Yongchaiyudh served as the army chief, an army source said.

Gen Chavalit was then known to have friendly relations with senior Chinese army officers.

When he was in the top position, his policy was to modernise the army using the model of the US army.

But he looked to China for help to realise his ambition. "The Chinese tanks were not so good compared with those from Europe," the source said.

"But for Thailand, which did not have much money at the time, it was better to get them than nothing. They were bought at a 50% discount."

The problem came when the Chinese army stopped manufacturing the tanks and parts became scarce.

The Thai army could not afford to repair the tanks, the source said.

Maintenance works for the tanks stopped six years ago because there were no more parts available, the source said.

Chinese Type 69 Tanks Sleeps with Fishes

Thailand 20-years old type69 tanks sleep under water, and Vietnam 70-years old Su-100 and 50-years old T-55 & BTR-60 still serving in the Army ... ur Army STRONG in AESAN region. BTW Thailand Army ordered 100+ T-84 tanks

 

[dichoi]

Thailand 20-years old type69 tanks sleep under water, and Vietnam 70-years old Su-100 and 50-years old T-55 & BTR-60 still serving in the Army ... ur Army STRONG in AESAN region. BTW Thailand Army ordered 100+ T-84 tanks

Thailand Army dropped 20 year old Chinese tanks to sea, but VPA has 350 T-59 from time of Vietnam war, but such tanks is still in use for training. Problem here is maintenance services made by our engineers.

Thailand is richer than Vietnam. Thai could left such submarines bought from China go to sleep with fishes into sea very soon.