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Chinese Vaccine: Does It Benefit Indonesia?

The vaccine of german company Biontec costs $10 per injection. Chinese vaccine from company as Sinovac costs $100. Talking about costs.
We know it is a Khmer Krom inner nature to tells lies but at least do it convincingly.

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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/10/pfizer-and-biontech-could-make-13bn-from-coronavirus-vaccine

How can these companies compete with Chinese Biotech Companies in prices?

Brazilian cited Sinovac Vaccines at USD1.33 per dose exclusive of shipping.

Pfizer is quoting USD19.50 per dose exclusive of shipping.
Pfizer vaccines will cost more as they have to be stored at -40 degree C.
 
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USA FDA is fast tracking the approval of all these vaccines without adhering to WHO testing protocol.

Well. We can see from this USA are very desperate.

Sinovac or Sinopharm vaccines may be among the first vaccines to be certified safe by WHO as they started trial as early as May or June 2020. So far apart from the Brazilian trial candidate who committed suicide there have been no reports of adverse reaction or death.
 
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Damn, ......@striver44 was unleashed and this forum is full of crap again, time for everyone here to receive
rabies vaccine first...lol...
Dont u feel boring when only read good news abt CN ?? I bet u do. Thats why u chose to join PDF.

otherwise, u will keep sticking in CN owned forum wt only good news abt CN there 😄
 
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We know it is a Khmer Krom inner nature to tells lies but at least do it convincingly.

:sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/10/pfizer-and-biontech-could-make-13bn-from-coronavirus-vaccine

How can these companies compete with Chinese Biotech Companies in prices?

Brazilian cited Sinovac Vaccines at USD1.33 per dose exclusive of shipping.

Pfizer is quoting USD19.50 per dose exclusive of shipping.
Pfizer vaccines will cost more as they have to be stored at -40 degree C.
Vaccines of sinovac is an experimental vaccines, hence cheapest.
Not to forget Sinovac vaccines are made by outdated technology, aka the people get injections with inactive virus, very expensive to make, final vaccines will be multiple times higher.
Modern vaccines made by Pfizer and Maderna are made by messenger rNA, the production cost per injection will be just few dollars. They can make billions of vaccines on assembly lines.
 
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Sinovac and sinopharm are way ahead of moderna and pzifer already tested on hundreds of thousands of people including Chinese ,uae ,argentinian bahrainian , brazilian Indonesia and now malaysia
It's about time China declare its final stage 3 results and start mass vaccination
 
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They are not as effective as sinovac. Not claim by China but Clinical trial from Brazil health authority. Use your political vaccine at your own risk if u ignore science and facts.
Ask yourself this simple question. If u have an illness, which medicine will u choose with a success rate of 90% or 96%.

On the contrary, mRNA vaccines are more effective because it targets the bodies immune response to the spike protein and NOT the virus.
When the virus mutates the inactivated vaccine will lose its efficacy at some stage while the mRNA vaccine will not, since the body will react to spike proteins and NOT the virus DNA.

mRNA is a new technique so the risks are higher - essentially, the mRNA vaccine is rewriting human DNA.
On the plus side, it can be manufactured in massive quantities safety. This is where mRNA scores over inactivated vaccine.
Inactivated vaccine is grown in a culture media, producing it in massive quantities is expensive and prone to contamination.
Plus, if the virus mutates sufficiently enough vast amount of the manufactured inactivated vaccine will be useless and then you are back to the drawing board i.e. 6 months of effort to distribute a new vaccine.
 
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On the contrary, mRNA vaccines are more effective because it targets the bodies immune response to the spike protein and NOT the virus.
When the virus mutates the inactivated vaccine will lose its efficacy at some stage while the mRNA vaccine will not, since the body will react to spike proteins and NOT the virus DNA.

mRNA is a new technique so the risks are higher - essentially, the mRNA vaccine is rewriting human DNA.
On the plus side, it can be manufactured in massive quantities safety. This is where mRNA scores over inactivated vaccine.
Inactivated vaccine is grown in a culture media, producing it in massive quantities is expensive and prone to contamination.
Plus, if the virus mutates sufficiently enough vast amount of the manufactured inactivated vaccine will be useless and then you are back to the drawing board i.e. 6 months of effort to distribute a new vaccine.
Sourgraped comment. Tell that to brazil medical institute who compound the covid-19 vaccine result. Let me repeat again. China never boast about their vaccine but it's more of foreign medical Institute who announced sinovac is the most effective and safe.

You can brag about mRNA better with your personal opinion. But what matters is clinical end result. Loser will always be loser. :enjoy:
 
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Hyperbolic gloating about a single cherrypicked negative experience in Chinese pharma industry that happend thousands of times at double to ten times the scale in purpotedly "experienced" and "ready" nations and opinion of some random nobody talking out of his *** on behalf of "many people".
Glossing completely over the hundreds of deaths caused right now by purpotedly superior other vaccines while to the great dissappointment of lowlife Indian trolls zero deaths caused by Chinas vaccine.

Seems to be enough to convince low IQ retards that one of the objectively most advanced nations on earth and with a record of dealing with Covid-19 better than the selfproclaimed "most advanced" nations, despite no headwarnings than all these purpotedly "experienced" and "ready" other nations together, is unqualified to do what it already successfully did and received wide recognition by doctors and professors from all over the world for. 😂


Mind you there are "people" there who are wishing Chinas vaccine to fail to save the lives of millions of people just to fuel their inferiority complex while preaching about moral superiority, responsibility and cruelity in their Christian-Hindu crusade against China. 🙄
 
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Hyperbolic gloating about a single cherrypicked negative experience in Chinese pharma industry that happend thousands of times at double to ten times the scale in purpotedly "experienced" and "ready" nations and opinion of some random nobody talking out of his *** on behalf of "many people".
Glossing completely over the hundreds of deaths caused right now by purpotedly superior other vaccines while to the great dissappointment of lowlife Indian trolls zero deaths caused by Chinas vaccine.

Seems to be enough to convince low IQ retards that one of the objectively most advanced nations on earth and with a record of dealing with Covid-19 better than the selfproclaimed "most advanced" nations, despite no headwarnings than all these purpotedly "experienced" and "ready" other nations together, is unqualified to do what it already successfully did and received wide recognition by doctors and professors from all over the world for. 😂


Mind you there are "people" there who are wishing Chinas vaccine to fail to save the lives of millions of people just to fuel their inferiority complex while preaching about moral superiority, responsibility and cruelity in their Christian-Hindu crusade against China. 🙄
These trolls don't care about lives of ordinary people. All they care is to serve their racist agenda and global domination of imperialism and rule over the underprivileged.
 
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This is a letter sent to British Secretary of State for Health Matt Hancock by ex Pfizer VP Dr Michael Yeadon. We have not heard of it, of course —
.Dear Mr. Hancock, I have a degree in Biochemistry & Toxicology & a research-based PhD in pharmacology.

I have spent 32 years working in pharmaceutical R&D, mostly in new medicines for disorders of lung & skin.

I was a VP at Pfizer & CEO of a biotech I founded (Ziarco - acquired by Novartis).

I'm knowledgeable about new medicine R&D. I have read the consultation document.

I've rarely been as shocked & upset. All vaccines against the SARS-COV-2 virus are by definition novel.

No candidate vaccine has been in development for more than a few months.

If any such vaccine is approved for use under any circumstances that are not EXPLICITLY experimental, I believe that recipients are being misled to a criminal extent.

This is because there are precisely zero human volunteers for whom there could possibly be more than a few months past-dose safety information.

My concern does not arise because I have negative views about vaccines (I don't). Instead, it's the very principle that politicians seem ready to waive that new medical interventions at this, incomplete state of development- should not be made available to subjects on anything other than an explicitly experimental basis.

That's my concern. And the reason for that concern is that it is not known what the safety profile will be, six months or a year or longer after dosing.

You have literally no data on this & neither does anyone else. It isn't that I'm saying that unacceptable adverse effects will emerge after longer intervals after dosing. No: it is that you have no idea what will happen yet, despite this, you'll be creating the impression that you do.

Several of the vaccine candidates utilize novel technology which has not previously been used to create vaccines. There is therefore no long-term safety data which can be pointed to in support of the notion that it's reasonable to expedite development & to waive absent safety information on this occasion. I am suspicious of the motives of those proposing expedited use in the wider human population.

We now understand who is at a particularly elevated risk of morbidity & mortality from acquiring this virus. Volunteers from these groups only should be provided detailed information about risk/benefit, including the sole point I make here.

Only if informed consent is given should any EXPERIMENTAL vaccine be used? I don't trust you. You've not been straightforward & have behaved appallingly throughout this crisis. You're still doing it now, misleading about infection risk from young children. Why should I believe you in relation to experimental vaccines?
-Dr. Michael Yeadon
This is a letter sent to British Secretary of State for Health Matt Hancock by ex Pfizer VP Dr Michael Yeadon. We have not heard of it, of course —
.Dear Mr. Hancock, I have a degree in Biochemistry & Toxicology & a research-based PhD in pharmacology.

I have spent 32 years working in pharmaceutical R&D, mostly in new medicines for disorders of lung & skin.

I was a VP at Pfizer & CEO of a biotech I founded (Ziarco - acquired by Novartis).

I'm knowledgeable about new medicine R&D. I have read the consultation document.

I've rarely been as shocked & upset. All vaccines against the SARS-COV-2 virus are by definition novel.

No candidate vaccine has been in development for more than a few months.

If any such vaccine is approved for use under any circumstances that are not EXPLICITLY experimental, I believe that recipients are being misled to a criminal extent.

This is because there are precisely zero human volunteers for whom there could possibly be more than a few months past-dose safety information.

My concern does not arise because I have negative views about vaccines (I don't). Instead, it's the very principle that politicians seem ready to waive that new medical interventions at this, incomplete state of development- should not be made available to subjects on anything other than an explicitly experimental basis.

That's my concern. And the reason for that concern is that it is not known what the safety profile will be, six months or a year or longer after dosing.

You have literally no data on this & neither does anyone else. It isn't that I'm saying that unacceptable adverse effects will emerge after longer intervals after dosing. No: it is that you have no idea what will happen yet, despite this, you'll be creating the impression that you do.

Several of the vaccine candidates utilize novel technology which has not previously been used to create vaccines. There is therefore no long-term safety data which can be pointed to in support of the notion that it's reasonable to expedite development & to waive absent safety information on this occasion. I am suspicious of the motives of those proposing expedited use in the wider human population.

We now understand who is at a particularly elevated risk of morbidity & mortality from acquiring this virus. Volunteers from these groups only should be provided detailed information about risk/benefit, including the sole point I make here.

Only if informed consent is given should any EXPERIMENTAL vaccine be used? I don't trust you. You've not been straightforward & have behaved appallingly throughout this crisis. You're still doing it now, misleading about infection risk from young children. Why should I believe you in relation to experimental vaccines?
-Dr. Michael Yeadon

Is this the reason why Pfizer CEO sold off 62% of his shares along with others in his company as well?

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/11/11...stock-as-company-announced-positive-data.html

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/wor...56mil-in-stock-on-day-of-vaccine-announcement
 
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Sourgraped comment. Tell that to brazil medical institute who compound the covid-19 vaccine result. Let me repeat again. China never boast about their vaccine but it's more of foreign medical Institute who announced sinovac is the most effective and safe.

You can brag about mRNA better with your personal opinion. But what matters is clinical end result. Loser will always be loser. :enjoy:

you still harping about the San Paulo thing, Pfizer and Moderna weren't a part of the Butantan Institute trails :lol:
So in reality Butantan hasn't trailed a mRNA vaccine. So claiming Sinovac is the best vaccine in the world is more than intellectual dishonesty on your part.
Sure it is the best vaccine trailed by Butantan - but Butantan is just San Paulo not the world.
 
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you still harping about the San Paulo thing, Pfizer and Moderna weren't a part of the Butantan Institute trails :lol:
So in reality Butantan hasn't trailed a mRNA vaccine. So claiming Sinovac is the best vaccine in the world is more than intellectual dishonesty on your part.
Sure it is the best vaccine trailed by Butantan - but Butantan is just San Paulo not the world.
Ask butantan. Don't ask me. I am not the one claim Sinovac is the best. :enjoy:
 
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