Chinese Urban Workers' Pay Soared 11% to USD12,000 Last Year

[CHN Bamboo]

That's weird. Generally the private sector is more efficient than the public sector and I believe that should be true in China as well. The private sector is exposed to more competition, less bureaucracy, less red-tape than the public sector, but of course it has lesser 'connections' and 'access to contracts' if you know what I mean. Still, the discrepancy shouldn't be twice as large.

At the end of the day, it's taxpayers working in the private sector who are paying the public sector.

No, the big tax payers in China are state-owned enterprises. China's private enterprises evade taxes.

2014年，阿里巴巴在美国上市，市值高达2300亿美元，可是，这样一家超大型企业，在2013年纳税额只有70亿元，这还是中国互联网企业的纳税冠军;2014年，阿里巴巴纳税总额首度突破百亿大关，为110亿元;2015年纳税178亿元。2016年，阿里巴巴集团与蚂蚁金服集团合计纳税238亿元，这时阿里巴巴的市值则高达四千多亿美元，居全球上市企业市值的第六位。

238亿相当于一个什么样的概念呢?浙江宁波有一家国企，中石化属下的镇海炼化，该厂一共有职工六千人(阿里巴巴的员工数量则在六万以上)，近十年来，每年缴纳税费几乎都在二百亿元以上。
阿里巴巴作为全球第六大市值的巨型企业，每年纳税跟镇海炼化一家工厂差不多。

根据我老爹的说法，他在的国企也是一年缴税几百亿，然而私企虽然占经济比重高，但纳税总量还没有国企高。
关于工资这一点只能说国企比私企有更高的社会责任感，不会随意开除员工，逼迫员工996来为老板谋福利，工资也是能发多少就发多少。在私企可不会有这样的老板愿意给你多发工资。

不过现在私企工资涨幅比国企要快，以后应该能赶上来的。

 

[beijingwalker]

Two main reasons, 1.) the private sector contains a lot of low end jobs. 2.) the data of salaries in private sectors are difficult to collect, for example, some construction workers are paid day by day. No one knows how much they earn per month or per year on average.

True, so many restaurants, barber shops or small vendors, it's dog eat dog and very often they cut the profit to nothing just to stay alive, government companies don't have to worry about having customers but private businesses do, it's life and death everyday.

 

[Mista]

No, the big tax payers in China are state-owned enterprises. China's private enterprises evade taxes.

2014年，阿里巴巴在美国上市，市值高达2300亿美元，可是，这样一家超大型企业，在2013年纳税额只有70亿元，这还是中国互联网企业的纳税冠军;2014年，阿里巴巴纳税总额首度突破百亿大关，为110亿元;2015年纳税178亿元。2016年，阿里巴巴集团与蚂蚁金服集团合计纳税238亿元，这时阿里巴巴的市值则高达四千多亿美元，居全球上市企业市值的第六位。

　　238亿相当于一个什么样的概念呢?浙江宁波有一家国企，中石化属下的镇海炼化，该厂一共有职工六千人(阿里巴巴的员工数量则在六万以上)，近十年来，每年缴纳税费几乎都在二百亿元以上。
阿里巴巴作为全球第六大市值的巨型企业，每年纳税跟镇海炼化一家工厂差不多。

I don't mean corporate taxes. I know that profitable SOEs pay a larger share of profits to the state (while unprofitable ones get subsidies).

I mean the overall revenue of the country which includes income tax, land revenue, property tax, car tax etc. Because the private sector generates a larger proportion of wealth (GDP), they are contributing more to the tax revenue.

 

[CHN Bamboo]

I don't mean corporate taxes. I know that profitable SOEs pay a larger share of profits to the state (while unprofitable ones get subsidies).

I mean the overall revenue of the country which includes income tax, land revenue, property tax, car tax etc. Because the private sector generates a larger proportion of wealth (GDP), they are contributing more to the tax revenue.

It's not directly related to how much they pay.

Two main reasons, 1.) the private sector contains a lot of low end jobs. 2.) the data of salaries in private sectors are difficult to collect, for example, some construction workers are paid day by day. No one knows how much they earn per month or per year on average.

这种建筑工人的工资不算什么，如果他们的收入无法被计算，说明他们没有劳动合同，以后也没有任何福利保障，五险一金之类的。

 

[Mista]

Yeah.then u shoulf post:"Cnese urban workers salary from $4000- 8000/month like CN investors pay VN engineers" instead of this silly 12,000/year .

You know, you are actually embarrassing yourself like a frog in the well if you keep repeating $4000-$8000.

It's high but not that high. Even Singapore’s average household income is higher than that, what's more if you want to hire top engineers.

In the first place there's nothing to brag about. Even if it's $1 million per year it doesn't mean anything. It's like me bragging how much the top CEOs in my country make but what relevance does it have for me lmao.

逼迫员工996来为老板谋福利

工作996为老板谋福利，回家669为老板子孙谋福利。

 

[Viet]

Still.too low to compare wt the salary from $4000-8000/month that CN investor,fleeing to VN, pay for VN engineers

Why rich Cnese treat poor Cnese so bad ??They r every rich, they can pay from. 4000-8000/month .

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Its CN investors cos they want VN staff who get pay 4000-8000 can speak Cnese.

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Vị trí kỹ sư có thể được trả mức lương là $4,000; cấp quản lý có vị trí trả đến $8,000 mỗi tháng.”

Tuy nhiên, điểm chung của các nhà máy từ Trung Quốc chuyển sang Việt nam khi tuyển dụng nhân viên, nhất là nhiều vị trí giám sát và cấp quản lý, đều yêu cầu ứng viên phải nói được tiếng Bắc Kinh.( can speak Beijing language

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chin...klisting-of-pakistani-terrorist.617590/page-4

I don’t think Chinese companies pay that much unless they are too desperate. CN companies are welknown low paying but demand long working hours, treating employees like slaves. Viet companies as Viettel, FPT software pay $1,000 per month. I think they offer $1,500 or something.

 

[TaiShang]

That's weird. Generally the private sector is more efficient than the public sector and I believe that should be true in China as well. The private sector is exposed to more competition, less bureaucracy, less red-tape than the public sector, but of course it has lesser 'connections' and 'access to contracts' if you know what I mean. Still, the discrepancy shouldn't be twice as large.

At the end of the day, it's taxpayers working in the private sector who are paying the public sector.

Lots of private jobs pay that much, or more.

As for public companies, majority of China public sector is profitable. Even the energy sector behaves more like market players under market conditions even though they are state-owned for national security reasons.

 

[Viva_Viet]

You know, you are actually embarrassing yourself like a frog in the well if you keep repeating $4000-$8000.

It's high but not that high. Even Singapore’s average household income is higher than that, what's more if you want to hire top engineers.

In the first place there's nothing to brag about. Even if it's $1 million per year it doesn't mean anything. It's like me bragging how much the top CEOs in my country make but what relevance does it have for me lmao.





工作996为老板谋福利，回家669为老板子孙谋福利。

Sing is just a red dot , Sing is just a cheap zoo, Sing even smaller than our toilets. Stop screaming, oki?

I don’t think Chinese companies pay that much unless they are too desperate. CN companies are welknown low paying but demand long working hours, treating employees like slaves. Viet companies as Viettel, FPT software pay $1,000 per month. I think they offer $1,500 or something.

True, they r desperate due to 25% tariff now, they r losing lots of money in CN and want to make money fast in VN, so they pay high salary to get the best VN engineers and managers who can help them quickly make money for their bussiness.

 

[TaiShang]

 

[Mista]

Sing is just a red dot , Sing is just a cheap zoo, Sing even smaller than our toilets. Stop screaming, oki?

And yet the red dot smaller than your toilet has a larger economy than your country. What does that say?

The fact that you're boasting because the Chinese paid $4K-$8K wage to some Vietnamese engineers is embarrassing to see.

 

[Viva_Viet]

And yet the red dot smaller than your toilet has a larger economy than your country. What does that say?

The fact that you're boasting because the Chinese paid $4K-$8K wage to some Vietnam engineers is embarrassing to see.

When chaos coming, even Trump suggest that everyone should move to VN. no one care abt Sing- a red dot smaller than Trump's toilet
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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump May 13
...completely avoided if you buy from a non-Tariffed Country, or you buy the product inside the USA (the best idea). That’s Zero Tariffs. Many Tariffed companies will be leaving China for Vietnam and other such countries in Asia. That’s why China wants to make a deal so badly!...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?lang=en

 

[andylrd]

That's weird. Generally the private sector is more efficient than the public sector and I believe that should be true in China as well. The private sector is exposed to more competition, less bureaucracy, less red-tape than the public sector, but of course it has lesser 'connections' and 'access to contracts' if you know what I mean. Still, the discrepancy shouldn't be twice as large.

At the end of the day, it's taxpayers working in the private sector who are paying the public sector.

Yes, that is weird and not good.
The 2:1 wage got gap is too wide.
Even SOE pays more tax than private sector to the government, doesn't smell good.
中国烟草 pays hug tax to government, but think what real good does it do to the development of the country?
中国一汽 too, what innovation or good products does it provide to us?
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They enjoy low to free land, capital, connection... but not necessary do good to the upgrade of the economy / society. Given same resource, private may do a better job. Some non-security fields need to open up.

 

[CHN Bamboo]

Yes, that is weird and not good.
The 2:1 wage got gap is too wide.
Even SOE pays more tax than private sector to the government, doesn't smell good.
中国烟草 pays hug tax to government, but think what real good does it do to the development of the country?
中国一汽 too, what innovation or good products does it provide to us?
...
They enjoy low to free land, capital, connection... but not necessary do good to the upgrade of the economy / society. Given same resource, private may do a better job. Some non-security fields need to open up.

You're just talking about the bad side.

But High-speed railway is also built by state-owned enterprises. Is it inefficient for state-owned enterprises to build high-speed rail?

中国的国企那么多，非要挑几个看起来差的说。军工国企和航空国企难道也很差？

中国国企还不计利益的在人烟稀少的地方修建基础设施，换成私企能做么？

 

[Viet]

True, they r desperate due to 25% tariff now, they r losing lots of money in CN and want to make money fast in VN, so they pay high salary to get the best VN engineers and managers who can help them quickly make money for their bussiness.

I think it’s true in parts, in sections of business but not all. Not necessarily bad: Vietnam with lower labor costs offers big advantage.

Yes, interesting tweets of Donald Trump. I am very surprised by his openness: he expects business will leave China and advertises Vietnam as tariffs free location that all businesses can go to to avoid tariffs.

 

[andylrd]

You're just talking about the bad side.

But High-speed railway is also built by state-owned enterprises. Is it inefficient for state-owned enterprises to build high-speed rail?

中国的国企那么多，非要挑几个看起来差的说。军工国企和航空国企难道也很差？

中国国企还不计利益的在人烟稀少的地方修建基础设施，换成私企能做么？

Of course not all the SOEs should go to privatization. Some strategic sections should never do.

But you say that I just single out some "bad looking" SOE as sample, is really picking.
Need more examples? Too many.
Do you ever receive good products/price competitive/outstanding service from 中国邮政， 中国电信， 中国移动，all the 中国xx banks， 中石化， 中石气， 中建筑....?
Would you prefer their private competitors (if have choice)? - 顺丰， 招/工行，浦发， 加德仕，万科...

In fact, if you look at ROI of SOEs vs PCs, you will see many SOEs are wasting our money, many years in deficit. Don't look at 三桶油， they are already a joke. ..
There are many SOEs on provincial level are similiar, why these "companies" still exist, is too bitter to explain.

一句话就是，很多国/集企还能存在，不是因为做得好，是因为还有人不得不输血养着它们维持生命。

Finally who pay? You and me.
When I pay 15-20% tax every month, I have reason to feel bitter.