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LEH: Chinese troops are reported to have entered into Indian territory and destroyed some old Army bunkers and tents in Chumar division of Nyoma sector, about 300 kilometres from here.

While some reports suggested that the Chinese troops in helicopters entered one-and-a-half kilometres into Indian airspace, other reports said that the helicopters landed in Chinese territory and then the troops marched into the area to dismantle the bunkers, a move aimed at displaying that the area belonged to them.

The Army denied that any such incident had taken place. But sources in the know said that two Chinese helicopters had entered into air space and landed one-and-half kilometres into the Indian territory at Chumar in Chingthang area of Tehsil Nyoma.

The Chinese troops attempted to dismantle an old army bunker, which was not used by the troops for long, the sources said.

Another version quoted to eyewitnesses, who are often the grazers, said that Chinese helicopters landed near the Line of Actual Control and then marched in to destroy old bunkers of the army and tents of ITBP.

A report in this regard has been sent by the state government officials to their headquarters.

Udhampur-based Northern Command Army Spokesperson Col Rajesh Kalia said there was no such report of helicopter landing or destruction of bunkers. However, senior Army officials said that Chumar was an area were the LAC was not clearly demarcated and there was always a difference of perception in the area.

Chinese troops had in July 2009 entered nearly 1.5 KM into Indian territory near Mount Gya, recognised as international border by India and China, and painted the boulders and rocks with red spray paint.

The incursions were reported from the area, generally referred in the Chumar sector in east of Leh, and painted "China" in Cantonese with Red spray paint all over the boulders and rocks.

On June 21 in 2009, a Chinese helicopter had entered the Indian airspace and is reported to have air-dropped canned food again at Chumar, which is northeast of Leh in Jammu and Kashmir.
 
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'Two Chinese helicopters entered India in August'T

Two Chinese helicopters, along with seven to eight troopers on board, flew into Indian territory along the Line of actual Control (LAC) in Chumur area of Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir last month and damaged “unused bunkers” of India, before flying back undetected and unchallenged.

This has been stated in a report sent by Leh district administration to the state government, highlighting the point that while the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) deployed in the area has sent the report of this incident to the ministry of home affairs, local administration was kept in dark, official sources told Hindustan Times.

Deputy Commissioner, Leh, T Angchuk, when contacted, confirmed that he has “sent a report (about the incident) to the state government, and also deputed sub divisional magistrate and station house officer of Nyoma ( under the jurisdiction of whom Chumur area falls) to visit the spot to verify the facts and file a report.”

The Leh district administration came to know about this incident on September 9 and the SDM was deputed on a “fact finding mission” on September 11, sources in the state government told Hindustan Times.

They were awaiting for an on the spot report of the SDM and SHO.

But the Indian army denied that any such incident has taken place. “No incident like this has happened,” Northern Command spokesperson Lt. Col Rajesh Kalia told Hindustan Times when asked about the army’s version on the reported incident.

Official sources, however, maintained that the two choppers with seven to eight Chinese soldiers landed in Chumur area, about 200 to 300 feet inside the LC on August 25th. They were there for 20 to 25 minutes. They wrote something in Chinese and also damaged the “unused Indian bunkers.”

The details, how they damaged the bunkers, are not known.

The ITBP personnel, who were at a long distance, however, could not react because of the distance and they are reported to have watched the incident, with the help of binoculars.

The ITBP’s DIG based in Leh, according to sources, has sent the report to MHA.

Ladakh has a 646 km long LAC with China. The LAC remains undemarcated at several places.

The Indian army’s stated position, often articulated by the top commanders is that “these are not incursions but transgressions which take place because of the varying perceptions of LAC.

'Two Chinese helicopters entered India in August'
 
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India-China border: Joint mechanism on cards

In a far reaching move aimed at increasing trust along the disputed India-China boundary, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) has given its go ahead to set up a new joint mechanism on boundary consultations with China. With all relevant ministries on board, formal negotiations will now begin with Beijing to sew up an agreement.

From what has been approved by the CCS recently, the joint mechanism will have members from different ministries such as Defence and Home, besides representatives of intelligence agencies and the military. It will be headed by Joint Secretary in-charge of East Asia in the Ministry of External Affairs, who will be in touch on real-time basis with his Chinese counterpart.

Interestingly, the Chinese side is learnt to have indicated that instead of the South Asia division, the Director General in-charge of the recently created department of boundary affairs in their Ministry of Foreign Affairs will head the mechanism from their end. A lot of the issues emerging out of different perceptions of the LAC will now be dealt through this mechanism.

To this end, the final agreement will go into specifics of how this mechanism will function on a routine basis, its definition and scope in terms taking spot decisions.

India and China had reached an “in-principle” understanding during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to Sanya in April for setting up such a group. However, both sides had to work out the details internally before starting negotiations. The idea was first mooted by Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao when he visit India last December.

Unlike previous efforts, sources said, this mechanism will look to frame an agenda beyond just the maintenance of peace and tranquility along the LAC, which was the objective of earlier agreements in 1993 and then the one in 1996 on confidence building measures in the military field. This group will look at ways to ensure that differences over the boundary do not become an obstacle to practical cooperation. However, sources clarified, it will build on existing structures of border interaction and not replace them.

While giving clearance for setting up such a mechanism, the CCS was informed that the group will be the first of its kind to ensure immediate contact between Delhi and Beijing in case of a transgression or intrusion like incident on the boundary before the event can create any local provocation.

Though there are mechanisms in place for local commanders to speak and resolve matters, both sides were of the view that a Delhi-Beijing connect was important to ensure tempers don’t flare up. One of the reasons why China moved the idea, sources said, was the worry in Beijing over the negative publicity in India over incidents along the boundary.

But India feels that this should be one part of the group’s remit. The new mechanism is expected to focus significant energy on ways to improve the border environment by promoting, religious excursions, opening more passes for movement of people and reducing the general stress associated with the India-China boundary.

At present, sources explained, there is very little in terms of border interaction between populations on both sides. And with growing military deployment, the atmosphere is more tense and, hence, potentially volatile. The effort is to have this mechanism come up with practical, yet innovative ideas of border cooperation.

India-China border: Joint mechanism on cards - Indian Express
 
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it's sad indians don't even believe statement made by your own army
 
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I would love to see a demonstration of how to paint 'China' in Cantonese.

I am very curious too. Cantonese is a dialect spoken by Chinese people in Guangdong province and Hong kong only. But its characters are the same as Mandarin. You can only tell their differences by listening, not by looking. How could these soldiers paint "China" in cantonese, not in mandarin?
 
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I am very curious too. Cantonese is a dialect spoken by Chinese people in Guangdong province and Hong kong only. But its characters are the same as Mandarin. You can only tell their differences by listening, not by looking. How could these soldiers paint "China" in cantonese, not in mandarin?

Well all I can say is thats incredible. if indian army is telling the truth and it happend that is.
 
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I am very curious too. Cantonese is a dialect spoken by Chinese people in Guangdong province and Hong kong only. But its characters are the same as Mandarin. You can only tell their differences by listening, not by looking. How could these soldiers paint "China" in cantonese, not in mandarin?

maybe indians painted themselves :cheesy:

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