Chinese troops enter 25 km deep into Indian territory: Sources

[Echo_419]

some "transgression" !!

warning indian soldiers to move back, destroying observation posts and trenches, dismantling and destroying indian surveillance equipment - list goes on

You have a link for your claims

 

[B+ Dracula]

Why are Pakistanis Masturbating over something happening in India China border ?

Enjoying RAPE

So what about their population? India's military budget is increasing annually, to the point where it's going to be in the top 3-5 spot for annul defense expenditure. Much of that is started to ahead to R&D. China's military industry was only making copy paste low quality products for most of the time, but from 2005 onwards, they have been getting much better. Due to their increased expenditure on R&D, etc. because of their increased capital.
Turkey being smaller can modernize quicker, but India will produce/will have more destroyers and frigates. Still support more strategic missiles. Still can support 3 ACs, 5+ boomers, etc. field 1000+ modern tanks.
This is just the beginning, imagine India's military in 20+ years. Someone better revert India back to it's Nehruvian command economy of pre 1990s, otherwise its only up.

BUT..... no BALLS

 

[Water Car Engineer]

BUT..... no BALLS

One of your balls was removed with Bangladesh.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You have a link for your claims

Read the article in Post #1 of this very thread

Why are Pakistanis Masturbating over something happening in India China border ?

you didnt expect us to be shedding tears or losing a wink of sleep over it did you?

One of your balls was removed with Bangladesh.

more like a benign tumour.....but you people are still butt-hurt over 1947, as if to claim that there was a modicum of legitimacy in your akhand bharat soap opera dreams

 

[Water Car Engineer]

more like a benign tumour.....but you people are still butt-hurt over 1947, as if to claim that there was a modicum of legitimacy in your akhand bharat soap opera dreams

Nope, totally fine with it.

 

[Trev]

Read the article in Post #1 of this very thread



you didnt expect us to be shedding tears or losing a wink of sleep over it did you?



more like a benign tumour.....but you people are still butt-hurt over 1947, as if to claim that there was a modicum of legitimacy in your akhand bharat soap opera dreams

Butt hurt over 1947? No wonder they call you denialstanis.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

It would be a big blunder for any army to overestimate themselves, a bigger blunder would be to underestimate their enemy; you are doing both the blunders, good that you are not an army general.

First, China has a large stock of weapons, but most of those are old generation stuff with a limited number of modern weapons, you are nowhere near the electronic/networked warfare capabilities of USA or NATO. Second, India is not a pushover either, it is among the largest powers in the world and can wreck havoc to any country in its neighborhood. Overall, China might have more of the arms & ammunition, but it is not enough to go on offensive against India and secure a victory without committing a suicide. Btw, which conventional artillery shell goes 300 km.? Such fantasies are damaging the rational thinking capacity of young Chinese.

You're right, I should not have said shell, the word is rocket. Conventional rocket artillery.

Our rocket artillery can hit targets over 400 km away, and with the largest manufacturing base in the world, we can pump out endless numbers of cost-effective rockets. Combined with our already existing world's largest arsenal of sub strategic (non-nuclear) missiles, we can threaten New Delhi directly with overwhelming conventional bombardment.

We wouldn't even need to leave our own territory to do this. We can simply sit on our own side of the border to do it, while sitting on the high ground of the Tibetan plateau, an unbeatable defensive advantage. (Unless you think the Indian Army can successfully attack upwards into the highest mountain range on the planet). And our border infrastructure ensures that we can always beat India in terms of force concentration, at any point along the LAC.

Even India's own Army has admitted they have no chance of matching China, and "the gap is growing larger every day".

We are not concerned about rise of any country, peaceful or otherwise, unless that country starts thinking that they can step on us, that's not gonna happen. We are not attacking any country unless attacked first, but your tent-parties have to leave our land in case they are there, because that piece of land isn't going anywhere, that's ours.

You say that, but history tells a different story:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

It would be foolish of us to think that India won't try the same trick again, if we let down our guard. Or that an Indian border guard might get an itchy trigger finger, and open fire on us, like they regularly do on the India-Pakistan or India-Bangladesh border.

China's peaceful rise is our intention, both officially and unofficially. But we can't stop our neighbors if they want to attack us or try to take our land like before, in that event we will have no choice but to go to war. If they exercise self-control, then we will have peace.

 

[dray]

You're right, I should not have said shell, the word is rocket. Conventional rocket artillery.

Our rocket artillery can hit targets over 400 km away, and with the largest manufacturing base in the world, we can pump out endless numbers of cost-effective rockets. Combined with our already existing world's largest arsenal of sub strategic (non-nuclear) missiles, we can threaten New Delhi directly with overwhelming conventional bombardment.

We wouldn't even need to leave our own territory to do this. We can simply sit on our own side of the border to do it, while sitting on the high ground of the Tibetan plateau, an unbeatable defensive advantage. (Unless you think the Indian Army can successfully attack upwards into the highest mountain range on the planet). And our border infrastructure ensures that we can always beat India in terms of force concentration, at any point along the LAC.

Even India's own Army has admitted they have no chance of matching China, and "the gap is growing larger every day".

While you will be constantly manufacturing and firing your rockets at us, do you think we will just sit tight and catch your rockets? Well, your generals don't think so, otherwise they would have tried to take AP by now.

Even in your real life, if you ever have to pick up fight with anyone, it is always advisable to measure the strength of your opponent also before being irrationally aggressive, what is the meaning of a win if you are also fatally crippled?

You say that, but history tells a different story:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

It would be foolish of us to think that India won't try the same trick again, if we let down our guard. Or that an Indian border guard might get an itchy trigger finger, and open fire on us, like they regularly do on the India-Pakistan or India-Bangladesh border.

China's peaceful rise is our intention, both officially and unofficially. But we can't stop our neighbors if they want to attack us or try to take our land like before, in that event we will have no choice but to go to war. If they exercise self-control, then we will have peace.

Nehru did exactly what we are doing now, trying to guard our border against frequent & provocative incursions, only difference is that now we don't believe in the delusions of Nehru that "China is our friend and they would never attack us", hence, the preparedness is different. Your generals know this, you may ask them.

By the way, such incidents at the LAC might have a negative impact in China's efforts to seek investment opportunities in India, we will get the investment from elsewhere, it would be difficult for China to find a suitable replacement of us considering the huge size of the market.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

While you will be constantly manufacturing and firing your rockets at us, do you think we will just sit tight and catch your rockets? Well, your generals don't think so, otherwise they would have tried to take AP by now.

Even in your real life, if you ever have to pick up fight with anyone, it is always advisable to measure the strength of your opponent also before being irrationally aggressive, what is the meaning of a win if you are also fatally crippled?



Nehru did exactly what we are doing now, trying to guard our border against frequent & provocative incursions, only difference is that now we don't believe in the delusions of Nehru that "China is our friend and they would never attack us", hence, the preparedness is different. Your generals know this, you may ask them.

By the way, such incidents at the LAC might have a negative impact in China's efforts to seek investment opportunities in India, we will get the investment from elsewhere, it would be difficult for China to find a suitable replacement of us considering the huge size of the market.

Like I said, we will be fighting defensively, just like before.

We can hit New Delhi with conventional weapons while sitting on the high ground of the Tibetan plateau. India has no counter for this, none of our major cities are within range of India's conventional weapons.

And both sides have "No first use" nuclear policies, so it will be a conventional fight. Which is just as well since India does not possess thermonuclear weapons, and the total power of India's nuclear arsenal is estimated at around 1 megaton total, which is less than even ONE single Chinese thermonuclear warhead, which are around 4 megatons each.

Nehru did exactly what we are doing now.

Well then, you see the problem. Nehru was setting up military outposts (like Dhola) that were far beyond the McMahon line, even according to their own maps.

If that happens again, we reserve the right to use overwhelming force to defend ourselves.

Or if they open fire on us first, which seems very possible, considering that Indian soldiers are used to opening fire on their borders with Pakistan or Bangladesh.

 

[chhota bheem]

No. Like I said, our policy is "China's peaceful rise".

But we are ready for war anytime, if anyone has the nerve to attack us first. Like Nehru once did with his Forward policy.

We seek peace, but are prepared for war as well.

What is peaceful about china,s rise.
You know its disputed land what is the point in entering the disputed land ,once fine,twice one can understand when you do it again and again there is nothing peaceful.
Today you guys taking advantage of gaps in our side ,5 years down the line you wont.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

What is peaceful about china,s rise.
You know its disputed land what is the point in entering the disputed land ,once fine,twice one can understand when you do it again and again there is nothing peaceful.
Today you guys taking advantage of gaps in our side ,5 years down the line you wont.

What will change in 5 years?

We are a $9.2 trillion economy growing at 7.5% a year.

India is a $1.7 trillion economy, growing at around 4% a year.

Basic math (taking into account economic base size) will show you that the gap is actually INCREASING, and by a large amount too. Check the past GDP figures over the past decade or two, it will show how fast the gap has been increasing over time, from the original 1-1 ratio back in 1990.

And the Indian Army itself already said they "cannot possibly match China, and the gap is increasing every day".

 

[chhota bheem]

What will change in 5 years?

We are a $9.2 trillion economy growing at 7.5% a year.

India is a $1.7 trillion economy, growing at around 4% a year.

Basic math (taking into account economic base size) will show you that the gap is actually INCREASING, and by a large amount too. Check the past GDP figures over the past decade or two, it will show how fast the gap has been increasing over time, from the original 1-1 ratio back in 1990.

And the Indian Army itself already said they "cannot possibly match China, and the gap is increasing every day".

As per your logic ,US can walk into china any time they want.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

As per your logic ,US can walk into china any time they want.

Who said anything about "walking in anytime they want"?

During the Korean War in 1950, we fought against the US + 16 of her allies combined, and pushed them into the longest retreat in their military history.

After that, they haven't been interested in a direct conflict with us. As proved when we seized the Scarborough shoal in 2012, even though the Philippines has a "mutual defence treaty" with America. And the USA ended up abandoning their mutual defence treaty instead of fighting.

Unlike you guys, we don't have foreign soldiers marching across our borders whenever they want.

 

[chhota bheem]

Who said anything about "walking in anytime they want"?

During the Korean War in 1950, we fought against the US + 16 of her allies combined, and pushed them into the longest retreat in their military history.

After that, they haven't been interested in a direct conflict with us. As proved when we seized the Scarborough shoal in 2012, even though the Philippines has a "mutual defence treaty" with America. And the USA ended up abandoning their mutual defence treaty instead of fighting.

Unlike you guys, we don't have foreign soldiers marching across our borders whenever they want.

Wasnt US and other countries who china fought where much bigger economies then.
if this post is correct wont you think the post where you compared Indian and chinese economies is wrong.

About the bold part thats exactly i was saying ,there is nothing called peaceful rise of china.
Your thinking "we wont fire the first shot ,so we will not be called aggressers".imagine you are driving someone comes and stands infront of your car,you move right he does the same and blocks you and you try to turn left he comes and blocks you.you get out of the car and slap him.
Who is the aggressor.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

About the bold part thats exactly i was saying ,there is nothing called peaceful rise of china.
Your thinking "we wont fire the first shot ,so we will not be called aggressers".imagine you are driving someone comes and stands infront of your car,you move right he does the same and blocks you and you try to turn left he comes and blocks you.you get out of the car and slap him.
Who is the aggressor.

Any war we fight will be defensive. It will be an Indian border guard with an itchy trigger finger, who fires the first shot.

Or a repeat of the Dhola post.

Do you see any country in the world taking India's side on the issue of these border incursions? Even Russia won't.

Nobody will even give lip service on behalf of India against China for these incursions. Not even a few words.