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I don't understand though, they have all the money in the world, they can hire world's best design houses to come up with unique designs for their cars, why bother copying? Maybe there is a market for these cheap knock offs, cause an average Chinese can't really read the badge name which is written in English. They can't tell whether the badge says Land Rover or Land Wind, so as long as it looks like a Land Rover it probably is a Land Rover to them :woot:
Disgusting. Such is the reality of a culture that places no respect on rights and ownership.

As the article said, it's a small unknown Chinese company. Small chinese company might copy product, but your entire industry is a clone of Hollywood. Copying movie script doesn't even require much thinking. If India ever manage Chinese manufacturing capability, rest assured India would be a much much bigger copycat.

Is Bollywood A Hollywood Clone? - CBS News
 
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When I saw the Evoque some 2 yrs back in Pakistan I asked the Price which was about USD120000. The Chinese people who were around said wait a few years China would be sending its copy way cheap. I dont remember if they bought one or not. This was part of the Defence Expo 2012.

Dude a copy will never be equal to the real thing. And there is a reason why the real thing is expensive. Can the Chinese one do any of this on the inside? Tata has done an EXCELLENT job with the range.

 
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I don't understand though, they have all the money in the world, they can hire world's best design houses to come up with unique designs for their cars, why bother copying? Maybe there is a market for these cheap knock offs, cause an average Chinese can't really read the badge name which is written in English. They can't tell whether the badge says Land Rover or Land Wind, so as long as it looks like a Land Rover it probably is a Land Rover to them :woot:
2 trillion, 10 trillion. Difference.

How do you think progress can be made? This is the problem of Indian mentality, cheap originality that accounts for nothing. I seen a documentary where the Chinese guy knows he's copying, but his shoe business is taking off, on the other hand the Indian guy makes bracelets and he calls it original, like there were no bracelets before or after, and btw, the profit margin is way bigger on shoes.

True, he didn't directly copy bracelets from known brands, but his business is just that, nothing, the Chinese guy, not this guy, but the ones that started in the 80s are multi billionaires that employes hundreds of thousands making their own brands now.

True we copy cars, today, it's a cheap copy, tomorrow it's the real deal. Chinese phones, worthless copies, just 10 years ago, world beaters today. Alibaba, Baidu, cheap copies some years ago, world class today.

You say copy, it is, but in 10 years, nobody is going to remember how we made it, all they will know is that we made it.


Disgusting. Such is the reality of a culture that places no respect on rights and ownership.
really, that's disgusting? Jobs? Profit? And such? I suppose no jobs, and no money, is much more dignified.

People may not like China, but they respect us, the same can't be said for, well......
Dude a copy will never be equal to the real thing. And there is a reason why the real thing is expensive. Can the Chinese one do any of this on the inside? Tata has done an EXCELLENT job with the range.


So the Rover was crap before Tata? Let me ask you this, can you say with a straight face, that if Rover emphasized India as where the Rover comes from, that it would still sell?

I don't mean they are hiding it, I just mean if you guys actually put Indian flags in the dealerships, and make a point of telling Everyone it's Indian design, you think you would have the same sales as now?
 
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2 trillion, 10 trillion. Difference.

How do you think progress can be made? This is the problem of Indian mentality, cheap originality that accounts for nothing. I seen a documentary where the Chinese guy knows he's copying, but his shoe business is taking off, on the other hand the Indian guy makes bracelets and he calls it original, like there were no bracelets before or after, and btw, the profit margin is way bigger on shoes.

True, he didn't directly copy bracelets from known brands, but his business is just that, nothing, the Chinese guy, not this guy, but the ones that started in the 80s are multi billionaires that employes hundreds of thousands making their own brands now.

True we copy cars, today, it's a cheap copy, tomorrow it's the real deal. Chinese phones, worthless copies, just 10 years ago, world beaters today. Alibaba, Baidu, cheap copies some years ago, world class today.

You say copy, it is, but in 10 years, nobody is going to remember how we made it, all they will know is that we made it.



really, that's disgusting? Jobs? Profit? And such? I suppose no jobs, and no money, is much more dignified.

People may not like China, but they respect us, the same can't be said for, well......


So the Rover was crap before Tata? Let me ask you this, can you say with a straight face, that if Rover emphasized India as where the Rover comes from, that it would still sell?

I don't mean they are hiding it, I just mean if you guys actually put Indian flags in the dealerships, and make a point of telling Everyone it's Indian design, you think you would have the same sales as now?

Rover calls India 'second home'. Rover was great but did not have a direction. When ford sold it to Tata it was worth about 2 Billion, 5 years later the company is valued at $ 14 B, sales have crossed peak production and, far from closures, new factories have been built to make it the single biggest automotive employer in Britain. 'Nuf said
 
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Rover calls India 'second home'. Rover was great but did not have a direction. When ford sold it to Tata it was worth about 2 Billion, 5 years later the company is valued at $ 14 B, sales have crossed peak production and, far from closures, new factories have been built to make it the single biggest automotive employer in Britain. 'Nuf said
that's not what I mean, I didn't say Indians were morons or Tata was bad.

I just mean, if Rover was advertised in a way that it's no longer British, but Indian, can you still sell it like it you are now.

Tata is using the british prestige. There is not Indian prestige, just like Chinese prestige in the auto market is non existent.

You think China should be original, we have tried, but no money, no technology, you can't do much.


Even you yourself said it, Britain's biggest auto employer, why are they not designed by Indians in India, 100%. We are not at that stage now, to say otherwise is worse than delusional.

Your own Kavari engine should be a reminder of how difficult it is what China is trying to do.
 
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Land-Wind , the names Chinese come up with , can they not just copy an edition of "Encyclopedia Britannica " ?
@pigtaker , are you taking notice?
Heres a funny one for you guys !!
funny-product-name-fails-12.jpg
 
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that's not what I mean, I didn't say Indians were morons or Tata was bad.

I just mean, if Rover was advertised in a way that it's no longer British, but Indian, can you still sell it like it you are now.

Tata is using the british prestige. There is not Indian prestige, just like Chinese prestige in the auto market is non existent.

You think China should be original, we have tried, but no money, no technology, you can't do much.


Even you yourself said it, Britain's biggest auto employer, why are they not designed by Indians in India, 100%. We are not at that stage now, to say otherwise is worse than delusional.

Why would Rover advertise as 'no longer british'? It didn't call itself 'unbritish' when it was under BMW. It didn't call itself unbritish when it was under ford. Why should it let go of it's brand heritage with which it has won customers? Obviously when you come from an economy that copies everything that walks on the road, such crude references are important.

Rover is a british company and as an MNC tata has kept the best of its british subsidiary alive.
 
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Why would Rover advertise as 'no longer british'? It didn't call itself 'unbritish' when it was under BMW. It didn't call itself unbritish when it was under ford. Why should it let go of it's brand heritage with which it has won customers? Obviously when you come from an economy that copies everything that walks on the road, such crude references are important.

Let's not talk about the Rover then, why is Indian brands not selling in the world. Are you going to tell me, Indian cars are a fixture in the Western world? Or in China? Japan? Korea? Or the Indian elites?

You are suggesting originality, name something that India has made that's original and it's popular? Nothing, cause you need prestige to do that, and third world countries has none of that.
 
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Land-Wind , the names Chinese come up with , can they not just copy an edition of "Encyclopedia Britannica " ?
@pigtaker , are you taking notice?
Heres a funny one for you guys !!
funny-product-name-fails-12.jpg
japanese dude. We do have our own Baidu encyclopedia, last I checked it's worth some 45 billion dollars, so say what you well, 45 billion is 45 billion.
 
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Let's not talk about the Rover then, why is Indian brands not selling in the world. Are you going to tell me, Indian cars are a fixture in the Western world? Or in China? Japan? Korea? Or the Indian elites?

You are suggesting originality, name something that India has made that's original and it's popular? Nothing, cause you need prestige to do that, and third world countries has none of that.

What do you mean 'Indian brands'? You don't build brands in places where you didn't exist before- you ACQUIRE them. Tetley was acquired in UK for Tata to enter there. Coke acquired Thums Up when they came to India- still their biggest sales maker. Historically brands that Indians have acquired have done very well. You acquired Volvo, that's in the dumps while Rover is doing great. That's cz we didn't do stupid things like shift all production to India to save costs. We respected the heritage of the brand and that's why it became even more successful. And if you think the customer who are buying don't know they're buying a Tata car, then you're dumb. In the UK Tata is an extremely respected and prestigious name. People there are happy that it's in safe hands rather than in the hands of a Chinese company.
 
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What do you mean 'Indian brands'? You don't build brands in places where you didn't exist before- you ACQUIRE them. Tetley was acquired in UK for Tata to enter there. Coke acquired Thums Up when they came to India- still their biggest sales maker. Historically brands that Indians have acquired have done very well. You acquired Volvo, that's in the dumps while Rover is doing great. That's cz we didn't do stupid things like shift all production to India to save costs. We respected the heritage of the brand and that's why it became even more successful. And if you think the customer who are buying don't know they're buying a Tata car, then you're dumb. In the UK Tata is an extremely respected and prestigious name. People there are happy that it's in safe hands rather than in the hands of a Chinese company.

Hands of a Chinese company..... So India is the preferred choice. Interesting.

I always wondered, where does India get all its confidence from, and all that delusion from, and does China have to work hard to achieve everything first.

Then I remembered, India is in South Asia, China in East. It's like being in remedial class, India has no competition, all are about the same, and maybe worse situations. China has two developed countries right next to it, including one of the leading powers in Japan.

If India truly is preferred, you have far more than a 2 trillion dollars economy, that means your economy would be serviced based, not because of a retarded manufacturing sector, but in addition to like the US or Japan.
 
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Hands of a Chinese company..... So India is the preferred choice. Interesting.

I always wondered, where does India get all its confidence from, and all that delusion from, and does China have to work hard to achieve everything first.

Then I remembered, India is in South Asia, China in East. It's like being in remedial class, India has no competition, all are about the same, and maybe worse situations. China has two developed countries right next to it, including one of the leading powers in Japan.

If India truly is preferred, you have far more than a 2 trillion dollars economy, that means your economy would be serviced based, not because of a retarded manufacturing sector, but in addition to like the US or Japan.

Your statements are stupid. Tata itself is a global brand that people buy everyday. What you think that people in the UK who buy the range somehow don't know that it is now a Tata company? Hell the brits love the Tatas and every major leader from David Cameroon downwards is openly associating with them. You know why? Because the Tatas are known to have contributed to their country at a time of great need- not by brining in money but by nurturing the brands when they were about to die and give the brits some of their pride back. That's how an MNC brand is built. That's how you get 'prestige'.
Hell even in China the range is becoming extremely popular. In any case your copy is $hitty.
 
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@Genesis : It is sad to see that you are such a sane person but trying to justify this "Copy" act. Forget about India, UK or any other country for a moment and think in this way that you have invested a lot of money in R&D of a product and you want money out of it but you see that some one in other country has just copied your effort. How would you feel.. Cheated?

A copyright claim doesn't work in China, I never saw that any single case is won by any big company. The logic should be not to promote this "Copy" culture but denounce them.
 
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