Chinese Oil Embargo Paralyzes N.Korean Army

[dlclong]

Some foreigners, including some Chinese people, there is a "naive" thinking, perhaps under the influence of Western media, universal values that North Korea is evil, China in support of an evil regime, and now China is moving away from North Korea,
Oh, this is very naive, stupid idea.
China will never abandon North Korea, both sides of which regime is in power. Even now, the United States attacks North Korea, China will not sit idly by, it is geopolitical. China will abandon North Korea, North Korea to become America's "colony"? China is not so stupid, so that in their own house to install an American-made bombs.

In addition, China has helped unify North and South Vietnam, has given China a profound lesson. China should learn from this lesson.
North and South Korean reunification, the neighboring countries, Japan does not agree (traditional enemy), Russia does not agree, even the United States does not agree (This is the reason for the army arranged around China.), and of course, China is not willing. Indeed, some south korea people do not agree with the internal north Korea, because North Korea will seriously low standard of living in South Korea.

 

[NiceGuy]

Some foreigners, including some Chinese people, there is a "naive" thinking, perhaps under the influence of Western media, universal values that North Korea is evil, China in support of an evil regime, and now China is moving away from North Korea,
Oh, this is very naive, stupid idea.
China will never abandon North Korea, both sides of which regime is in power. Even now, the United States attacks North Korea, China will not sit idly by, it is geopolitical. China will abandon North Korea, North Korea to become America's "colony"? China is not so stupid, so that in their own house to install an American-made bombs.

In addition, China has helped unify North and South Vietnam, has given China a profound lesson. China should learn from this lesson.
North and South Korean reunification, the neighboring countries, Japan does not agree (traditional enemy), Russia does not agree, even the United States does not agree (This is the reason for the army arranged around China.), and of course, China is not willing. Indeed, some south korea people do not agree with the internal north Korea, because North Korea will seriously low standard of living in South Korea.

For the bold part, I can tell u that "this is very naive, stupid idea". If the North could not liberate the South bcz China-Soviet stop support to the Norht, then the South would liberate the North . China still could not stop our unification.

So, China had to support the Norht bcz the Norh Govt.t is more friendly to China than the South. Only Norht Korean can accept to live a zombie and keep worshipping their holly leader.

 

[dlclong]

For the bold part, I can tell u that "this is very naive, stupid idea". If the North could not liberate the South bcz China-Soviet stop support to the Norht, then the South would liberate the North . China still could not stop our unification.

So, China had to support the Norht bcz the Norh Govt.t is more friendly to China than the South. Only Norht Korean can accept to live a zombie and keep worshipping their holly leader.

Like Vietnam, as even the northern unified South, from the pro-China will still eventually become anti-China. We will not make the same mistake. We should not be like before, only consider the interests of the so-called friends, just as the North Vietnamese government.
In short, the North-South reunification, does not comply with all relevant national interest, even if China does not come forward, have u seen Japan, Russia, and even the United States said that helped unify North and South Korea, no.
Even to say on the surface, the back does not really help them.
Korean peninsula will move forward in balancing the interests of all cases.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Like Vietnam, as even the northern unified South, from the pro-China will still eventually become anti-China. We will not make the same mistake. We should not be like before, only consider the interests of the so-called friends, just as the North Vietnamese government.
In short, the North-South reunification, does not comply with all relevant national interest, even if China does not come forward, have u seen Japan, Russia, and even the United States said that helped unify North and South Korea, no.
Even to say on the surface, the back does not really help them.
Korean peninsula will move forward in balancing the interests of all cases.

This is a typical short sighted view. We should not sabotage other tribes just because of our self-interest, and in reality, preventing Korean tribe unification does not serve any interest of China.

Besides, now it is obvious that the unification of Korea will be accomplish under the leadership of the South.

China's Korean policy over the years has screwed herself. If China can get someone other than Fat Kim to boss Korea, it wont be that bad. N Korea may have some prosperity, and power projection that the merger is a partnership on equal basis.

Right now, the unification will be South Korea conquering the North.

The Korean unification is imminent. The only thing preventing N Korean from rising is that they do not know how well others are living and they still think Fat Kim is God.

Once information trickle in, Fat Kim will be guillotine tomorrow morning.

 

[dlclong]

This is a typical short sighted view. We should not sabotage other tribes just because of our self-interest, and in reality, preventing Korean tribe unification does not serve any interest of China.

Besides, now it is obvious that the unification of Korea will be accomplish under the leadership of the South.

China's Korean policy over the years has screwed herself. If China can get someone other than Fat Kim to boss Korea, it wont be that bad. N Korea may have some prosperity, and power projection that the merger is a partnership on equal basis.

Right now, the unification will be South Korea conquering the North.

The Korean unification is imminent. The only thing preventing N Korean from rising is that they do not know how well others are living and they still think Fat Kim is God.

Once information trickle in, Fat Kim will be guillotine tomorrow morning.

A typical naive point of view.
Haha, the same content, I do not want to repeat a second time.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

A typical naive point of view.
Haha, the same content, I do not want to repeat a second time.

Who is naive?

 

[xesy]

Like Vietnam, as even the northern unified South, from the pro-China will still eventually become anti-China. We will not make the same mistake. We should not be like before, only consider the interests of the so-called friends, just as the North Vietnamese government.
In short, the North-South reunification, does not comply with all relevant national interest, even if China does not come forward, have u seen Japan, Russia, and even the United States said that helped unify North and South Korea, no.
Even to say on the surface, the back does not really help them.
Korean peninsula will move forward in balancing the interests of all cases.

I must disagree. China didn't want a unify Vietnam. They wanted a divided Vietnam just like North and South Korea now. I think the US had the same idea over Vietnam and Korea. A unified communist country would benifit USSR, while a divided one would benifit US and China, country which is communist but actually a potential rival to the USSR. Seeing how North Korea depended on China for the last half centery, easy to understand why China would want a second North Korea.

Near the end of Vietnam war when North Vietnam was actually winning, politically if I must say, China cut off supply for Vietnam. Not to mention the supply dropped significantly right at the start of the Vietnam-US war. And when Vietnam finally unified, China demanded Vietnam to returned the debt of rice they supplied for Vietnam right after the war. That's not something of good intention, is that? Not to mention the 1979 war. Chinese mems here said that they didn't want war, because they loved peace. Believe me, Vietnam just fought a 30 years war, and at that time was fighting the Khmer Rouge. There is a saying "Those who hasn't seen war knows nothing peace" and Vietnam had seen enough war for its time.

 

[dlclong]

I must disagree. China didn't want a unify Vietnam. They wanted a divided Vietnam just like North and South Korea now. I think the US had the same idea over Vietnam and Korea. A unified communist country would benifit USSR, while a divided one would benifit US and China, country which is communist but actually a potential rival to the USSR. Seeing how North Korea depended on China for the last half centery, easy to understand why China would want a second North Korea.

Near the end of Vietnam war when North Vietnam was actually winning, politically if I must say, China cut off supply for Vietnam. Not to mention the supply dropped significantly right at the start of the Vietnam-US war. And when Vietnam finally unified, China demanded Vietnam to returned the debt of rice they supplied for Vietnam right after the war. That's not something of good intention, is that? Not to mention the 1979 war. Chinese mems here said that they didn't want war, because they loved peace. Believe me, Vietnam just fought a 30 years war, and at that time was fighting the Khmer Rouge. There is a saying "Those who hasn't seen war knows nothing peace" and Vietnam had seen enough war for its time.

On this issue, I do not want to argue with you. The fact is, China and the Soviet Union, supported by the North Vietnamese unified South Vietnam. If China, the Soviet Union, did not agree a unified Vietnam, the North Vietnamese government at the time it is impossible to succeed. International context at the time, communist countries and capitalist countries, stand opposing camps, both want Vietnam or korea want to stand on our own side, totally become a Communist country or a capitalist country, rather than divide.
that the Cold War is over, the problem between nations, no longer a simple communism or capitalism stance problem. United States, Russia, China, are no longer the same as before, "unity" is no longer recognized their mission in Korea it. But his real interest was the most important.

 

[Jlaw]

Its indeed a heinous crime. My anti North Korea stance has made me resented by many PRC.

Is China supporting of Pakistan is heinous crime?

The longer China support North Korea, the more damage she is giving to the Korean race, and the future Korean race may hate China.

Also the longer China support Pakistan, the more Islamist get nourish, and Xinjiang get further destabilize.

China does what is her best interest. As far as Koreans hating us, don't be delusional. Koreans living in China are more Chinese than Koreans.

 

[WishLivePak]

1. Why are you talking about the Korean War from over half-a-century ago? Get on the same wavelength as me.
2. I have no doubt that US/UK forces could dismantle the current regime. But the threat of nukes and mass artillery strikes, and thus the collateral damage to S. Korea and Japan, are enough of a deterrent.
3. As I've already stated, North Korea faced mass famines during the 90's, and nothing happened. Certainly no challenge to their power. It's a completely self-sustaining regime, and only external force can collapse it.

1) To prove that China has interest in N. Korea and wants it stayed like that
2) They're improving nukes. Better attack now. Also US can have patriot missles and use many of their hidden tech. A war with N. Korea is enivitable. There is no way N. Korea won't start killing when the regime is about to fall.
3) Read my post again. Famine has to stay, without anyone coming to help. Let the people die. Don't ship them any food and even gasoline and the regime will crumble. Problem is, soon we see people dying, we go in an instant and help them out. The koreans than blame some general or anyone, have them executed and get away with the deaths. Those citizens are naive, they don't know what's happening. Moreover, it certainly isn't self sustaining regime. Does it produce enough oil to feed its military? I don't think so. If it was self sustaining, there would never be any famine.

So let them die and do not send any help. It takes a while for revolution to become strong.

 

[dlclong]

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Who is naive?

In addition u, there r others?
u u uu u

 

[WishLivePak]

I am sure they can..

 

[dlclong]

KSA can work on developing its own floating rigs locally and search oil, gas and coal to gas in Arabian gulf and red sea, also try to develop refineries in coastal regions and supply refined oil to Pakistan-India-China through Pakistan via Oman under sea pipelines....

Pakistan and India would be the sanctions by the US
China on this matter, a lot of pressure by the United States.

 

[NiceGuy]

Like Vietnam, as even the northern unified South, from the pro-China will still eventually become anti-China. We will not make the same mistake. We should not be like before, only consider the interests of the so-called friends, just as the North Vietnamese government.
In short, the North-South reunification, does not comply with all relevant national interest, even if China does not come forward, have u seen Japan, Russia, and even the United States said that helped unify North and South Korea, no.
Even to say on the surface, the back does not really help them.
Korean peninsula will move forward in balancing the interests of all cases.

N.K people can not flee to China coz they will be sent back, they can not flee to SK too, so they have to stay and live like zombie in NK. But N.VN people can flee to Laos-Camb-Thai-Phil, we would not accept to starve to death like NK people, so China or US can not stop our unification specially after Soviet collapse in 1990.

 

[xesy]

On this issue, I do not want to argue with you. The fact is, China and the Soviet Union, supported by the North Vietnamese unified South Vietnam. If China, the Soviet Union, did not agree a unified Vietnam, the North Vietnamese government at the time it is impossible to succeed. International context at the time, communist countries and capitalist countries, stand opposing camps, both want Vietnam or korea want to stand on our own side, totally become a Communist country or a capitalist country, rather than divide.
that the Cold War is over, the problem between nations, no longer a simple communism or capitalism stance problem. United States, Russia, China, are no longer the same as before, "unity" is no longer recognized their mission in Korea it. But his real interest was the most important.

Ever heard of proxy war? Big countries uses small countries as pawns to fight their conflicts while they benifits from it. Think of it carefully, an ongoing war forces small countries to heavily depend on big countries. That tie is much stronger than any regular alliance. Also big countries can test their weaponry and tatics on proxy war without casuality of their own people.

Oh and the communist and capitalist blocks were not always unified inside themselves. For example France did not want to depend on the US after WW2. China wanted to take the leading position in the communist block. Unlike there was no country to challange the US position in the capitalist block, China and USSR were two big tigers in the same mountain, and there could only be one king. So it would benifit USSR if Korea was splitted, because they had land border there, and Vietnam was unified, because they didn't have land border here. Of couse later things changed, as China leave the mountain and the USSR became the king. China created a mountain of its own, and then things like communist, capitalist blocks were gone, only national interest remains till now.