Chinese Oil Embargo Paralyzes N.Korean Army

[WishLivePak]

But we're not protecting them. We wouldn't defend the regime if US/SK forces invaded - that much is shown by the wikileaks cable. What's protecting them is their nukes, and the artillery pointed at Seoul which, if unleashed, would also be akin to nuking the city.

Oh please. North korea was over run and as the coalapiation forces drew closer, china stepped in. China didn't want to border with US supported state. It felt threatend. They wanted to have 'buffer' zone. Al though they'd have pleased to have entire korea, the ceasefire was declared.

North Korea just got nukes now (decade). And they're advancing. Believe me, if China has no objection, and Russia to an extent, the holy leader of North Korea will die in matters of hours. Their ageing air fleet will be over taken by F-22s, their bases be carpet bombed.

But if people don't want military action, just stop giving them money. When people will starve to death, the gov't will face uprising. There will be no kim jun tears falling from sky or 'gods' to save him. And please no support when there's famine, Let them die. I don't wish to see any human die, but Africans are far more deserving of food that the N. Korea gets. I'd rather give aid to an African than a war mongring, nuke producing Korea. It has people living below standards and it's keen on improving its military. Africa is opposite.

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Wish the ____ realized that china is just using them.

Which is true for pretty much many nations, especially super powers.

The US has been sitting on the border for 60+ years and there isn't a hint we are planning on changing that.

Even after korean unification, US will stay there, maybe in smaller numbers.

 

[Raphael]

Oh please. North korea was over run and as the coalapiation forces drew closer, china stepped in. China didn't want to border with US supported state. It felt threatend. They wanted to have 'buffer' zone. Al though they'd have pleased to have entire korea, the ceasefire was declared.

North Korea just got nukes now (decade). And they're advancing. Believe me, if China has no objection, and Russia to an extent, the holy leader of North Korea will die in matters of hours. Their ageing air fleet will be over taken by F-22s, their bases be carpet bombed.

But if people don't want military action, just stop giving them money. When people will starve to death, the gov't will face uprising. There will be no kim jun tears falling from sky or 'gods' to save him. And please no support when there's famine, Let them die. I don't wish to see any human die, but Africans are far more deserving of food that the N. Korea gets. I'd rather give aid to an African than a war mongring, nuke producing Korea. It has people living below standards and it's keen on improving its military. Africa is opposite.

1. Why are you talking about the Korean War from over half-a-century ago? Get on the same wavelength as me.
2. I have no doubt that US/UK forces could dismantle the current regime. But the threat of nukes and mass artillery strikes, and thus the collateral damage to S. Korea and Japan, are enough of a deterrent.
3. As I've already stated, North Korea faced mass famines during the 90's, and nothing happened. Certainly no challenge to their power. It's a completely self-sustaining regime, and only external force can collapse it.

 

[Tshering22]

1. Why are you talking about the Korean War from over half-a-century ago? Get on the same wavelength as me.
2. I have no doubt that US/UK forces could dismantle the current regime. But the threat of nukes and mass artillery strikes, and thus the collateral damage to S. Korea and Japan, are enough of a deterrent.
3. As I've already stated, North Korea faced mass famines during the 90's, and nothing happened. Certainly no challenge to their power. It's a completely self-sustaining regime, and only external force can collapse it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but are the North Korean missiles capable of striking US or any European country (barring Russia)?

Most of their missiles are meant for ROK and Japan.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Even after korean unification, US will stay there, maybe in smaller numbers.

Well you hit the nail on the head with China's dilemma. The Russians ceded East Germany and after reunification the US was still there. Now even closer to their border (and when Poland joined NATO things got worse) However the troops levels are lower but the bases are still there.

So if China allows a reunification that favors the South Korean regime you can see what probably may happen.

 

[Bilal.]

Its indeed a heinous crime. My anti North Korea stance has made me resented by many PRC.

Is China supporting of Pakistan is heinous crime?

The longer China support North Korea, the more damage she is giving to the Korean race, and the future Korean race may hate China.

Also the longer China support Pakistan, the more Islamist get nourish, and Xinjiang get further destabilize.

Certain people brought up in west are just parroting western line... Not to be taken seriously. And no supporting Pakistan does not destabilise Xinjiang. Pakistani military is bombing uygyr terrorists as we speak.

 

[ephone]

Well, that fat kim could buy that from iran if that pig has hard cold cash.

The Chosun Ilbo (English Edition): Daily News from Korea - Chinese Oil Embargo Paralyzes N.Korean Army

The North Korean military is experiencing a dire fuel shortage due to a Chinese oil embargo that has lasted for five months.

"Military units are making do without vehicles during drills and even regimental commanders can't use cars," a source said. "Their oil stockpiles are almost running dry, and they’re desperate to secure supplies."

The source reported rumors that regimental commanders have started riding bicycles and their drivers are taking care of their domestic chores instead.

Many fishing boats are moored in the docks although the fishery industry is a pet project of leader Kim Jong-un's and is receiving oil supplies on a priority basis, the source added.

Senior officers who used to make money from siphoning off gasoline for sale in the black market now have nothing to sell. A senior North Korean officer who was in China recently reportedly asked South Korean NGO staffers to get oil for him.

The last time the North Korean Army received a large quantity of oil was March last year, when the North staged a massive drill. At the time, top brass released war stockpiles and supplied large amounts of oil and food for the drill that was staged for the first time since Kim became supreme commander.

Due to the drill, the number of Air Force sorties reached more than 600 a day last year, much more than in previous years.

But the frequency of military drills has dropped compared to last year as the oil shortage started biting.

China shipped no crude oil at all to North Korea from January to May, according to the Korea Trade-Investment Promotion Agency in Beijing.

 

[Raphael]

Correct me if I am wrong, but are the North Korean missiles capable of striking US or any European country (barring Russia)?

Most of their missiles are meant for ROK and Japan.

I don't think so. Taepodong-II, their most advanced missile, has a range of around 4000-6000km. It's enough to reach Alaska, but that's it.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

老美支持以色列，开罪伊斯兰。阿共支持金三胖，出来混，迟早要还的。

金朝倒不倒是一回事， 中国支持它就是伤天害理。

 

[Viet]

Typical dirty chinese politics. They abandon their closest ally North Korea like rubbish. That is a clear warning to Pakistan.

CCP will regret this betrayal move very soon.

 

[cnleio]

老美支持以色列，开罪伊斯兰。阿共支持金三胖，出来混，迟早要还的。

金朝倒不倒是一回事， 中国支持它就是伤天害理。

这位兄台，你的思路带有偏见！
在北朝鲜，朝鲜人自己支持金三政权。不是中国人强加给他们的哦！中国不会干涉他国内政。

 

[kalu_miah]

Well you hit the nail on the head with China's dilemma. The Russians ceded East Germany and after reunification the US was still there. Now even closer to their border (and when Poland joined NATO things got worse) However the troops levels are lower but the bases are still there.

So if China allows a reunification that favors the South Korean regime you can see what probably may happen.

East Germany not only became part of Germany, but as part of Germany became part of EU and NATO while Soviet Union broke apart. So the US is continuing a base there as a part of NATO alliance.

If there is any future union in North East Asia, it is going to be between China, Japan, Korean peninsula and possibly Mongolia. Economically it is already taking shape. So the two situations are not the same. The closer the economies of these four countries get, partly utilizing NATO partner status of Japan, South Korea and Mongolia to keep balance - the day will come closer for all these countries to move away from the US and get more close to China and that may happen in security structure as well, just like EU countries fought many wars but now are a part of EU, as it is more beneficial to cooperate than be adversaries.

So it is not far-fetched to say that US may loose the bases in both Japan and South Korea some decades later, lets say in about 20-30 years time frame. What is US contingency planning, if that happens?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

So it is not far-fetched to say that US may loose the bases in both Japan and South Korea some decades later, lets say in about 20-30 years time frame. What is US contingency planning, if that happens?

If Japan and Korea started holding friendly hands with China there would be no reason for us to be there. So we would leave (well the Philippines would still have a say).

If Russia and the EU snuggled up to each other too we also would leave.

 

[kalu_miah]

If Japan and Korea started holding friendly hands with China there would be no reason for us to be there. So we would leave (well the Philippines would still have a say).

If Russia and the EU snuggled up to each other too we also would leave.

The 1st scenario is possible, but the 2nd scenario is not likely in my opinion, because Russia getting closer to EU, meaning getting on board on an EU accession list is not going to happen for the following reasons:

- Tsardom of Russia, Russian empire and finally Soviet Union has a continuity of more than 5 centuries
- loss of Ukraine will reverberate for many decades for Russia
- as a reaction Russia is expediting EaEU (Eurasian Economic Union) among remaining former Soviet countries that have no plans to join EU/NATO and even some who have plans to join EU/NATO
- due to rise of North East Asia (China, Japan, Korea) and also a quickly developing South and Southeast Asia, world economic center of gravity is moving towards East Asia and because of this Russia will hold on to EaEU and will remain anchored to the East, as the economic benefits will be greater than joining EU. Joining EU may also mean loss of their Central Asian vassals, which is another disincentive

So the US bases in EU will remain there for the foreseeable future, in my opinion.

I have been following Ron Paul's isolationist idea to bring all bases home, personally I think US should plan to withdraw from some parts of the world, but remain active in others.

 

[Okemos]

Its indeed a heinous crime. My anti North Korea stance has made me resented by many PRC.

Is China supporting of Pakistan is heinous crime?

The longer China support North Korea, the more damage she is giving to the Korean race, and the future Korean race may hate China.

Also the longer China support Pakistan, the more Islamist get nourish, and Xinjiang get further destabilize.

I completely agree. But there are lots of people with no long term vision. They just want short term stability in exchange for long term devastation. NK cannot be sustained forever and it will be disaster if NK doesn't change quickly!

这位兄台，你的思路带有偏见！
在北朝鲜，朝鲜人自己支持金三政权。不是中国人强加给他们的哦！中国不会干涉他国内政。

Non interference policy has no place in modern diplomacy.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I have been following Ron Paul's isolationist idea to bring all bases home, personally I think US should plan to withdraw from some parts of the world, but remain active in others.

Isolationism by the US in the past has been a major policy failure. Local wars end up getting so big they turn into unmanageable World Wars.

You end up getting dragged in way after things have hit the fan.