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Chinese netizens’ angst over TPP: “Why won’t they play with us?”

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Interesting. So you are an existentialist as well, i see. I'm surprised to read this from you -- as i thought you would have the same position as I : and that is that all humans are, on a species level, one and the same. Culture, in the end, is just an abstractist construct. This primitive and tribal notion that relegates "us" from "them" is the only barrier that prevents our species from rising to full potential. It is a trait that must be extinguished if we aim to reach the heavens and spread mankind's seed to new and uncharted hospitable worlds.

2.) Asking for specific details like I did: This group is also the ones expressing surprising. Because it is pretty hard to believe the participating nations would accept some of the issues, because it actually damages their national interest in the long run.

Ok Ok, just wait for my write up. i'm addressing some of these points and quite frankly i don't want to be redundant. But yes, you bring about good points for us to consider.
 
Merica wants to be friends no more,of course it hurts our feelings.:(

Now we can only play with fat kids :rofl:

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...I don't care enough about Vietnam to start threads on it lol.

Exactly. And this is the same reason why I said in my previous post that I doubt your true intention when you made remarks about Vietnam’s TPP deal.

But I agree that you would be critical of the CCP if they make decisions that you disagree with. However, I can’t say that for most of the other Chinese members here.
 
Are you kidding me? HAHA.....TPP is just a small thing. For the US it doesn't matter even if TPP cannot pass after a few months. The US now only need an agreement to enhance the US dollar index. The federal reserve to raise interest rates to ransack the whole world. But if the plan to succeed, the premise is the dollar index will be best reached 120, at least 100. If they can't do that, the US will go bankrupt as the failure of the plan. The world is becoming more and more interesting.:bunny::bunny::bunny:
 
The OP's article talk about the marked different reaction between Chinese government and some netizens on Chinese internet.

I think that is not surprising because most Chinese citizen/netizen would not know much details about TPP. Since they do not have access because not much has been made public. They would have only heard Obama's "America should set the rule" speech and read that as anti-China.

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Why China doesn’t mind being left out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership
Allison Jackson, GlobalPost 7:30 a.m. EDT October 9, 2015

In case you hadn’t heard, the Trans-Pacific Partnership is a really big deal — unless you're China.

The largest regional trade agreement in history involves the United States and 11 countries in the Asia Pacific and the Americas, which collectively represent about 40% of world GDP and around a quarter of global exports.

More than five years in the making, the TPP, as it is commonly referred to, was finalized on Monday, but it still needs the approval of lawmakers in member countries, including the U.S. Congress.

Given the importance of the accord, which is designed to boost cross-border trade and investment among member countries and, ultimately, economic growth, it might seem strange that China, the world’s second largest economy and biggest trading nation on the planet, has been left out.

While a lot of the details of the deal are still secret, the TPP is clearly more than just a free trade agreement. In addition to slashing or eliminating 98% of tariffs on thousands of goods including dairy, beef, sugar, cars, tractors and chemicals, it also establishes common rules and regulations for trade and investment across member countries as well as external tribunals to sort out disputes.

TPP member states will include the United States, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Brunei, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Chile and Peru. More countries are expected to join the exclusive trading club, but given the tough membership rules, China is not expected to sign up any time soon.

Perhaps never.

Excluding China has been widely interpreted as an attempt by the United States to curtail Beijing’s growing political and economic might in the Asia Pacific region, and some experts have described it as a “terrible mistake.”

But does Beijing really care? Possibly not as much as you might think.

For starters, China doesn’t need to belong to the TPP to enjoy some of the perks that come with being a member.

Beijing already has free trade agreements with more than half of the TPP countries, including Australia, New Zealand, Chile, Peru, Singapore, Brunei and Vietnam, and it can exploit those arrangements to minimize or avoid import duties that would normally apply to made-in-China products.

Felipe Caro and Christopher Tang of UCLA's Anderson School of Management explained in Fortune magazine this week how that could work.

“To satisfy certain country-of-origin conditions stipulated in TPP, China can manage the supply chain operations of cotton shirts by importing cotton from Pakistan (via its existing free trade agreement with China) and conduct 'upstream' operations, such as fabric design, knitting and dyeing at home.

"Then China can ship the fabric to Vietnam (via an existing free trade agreement with China). At the same time, Japan can ship the buttons to Vietnam (via the TPP). Vietnam can perform 'downstream' operations (sewing) and then ship the finished shirts via TPP agreement to Australia, Japan and the United States, cutting off the 5%, 10.9% and 16.5% import duties that would have applied if China had dealt directly with these countries.”

And China clearly doesn’t require the TPP to enhance its already sizeable influence in the world.

Beijing is a card-carrying member of the World Trade Organization, has a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council and is the driving force behind the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), which could potentially become a rival to the World Bank and Asia Development Bank once it gets going.

The China-led AIIB, which has the support of dozens of countries, aims to fund infrastructure projects in the region and could help Beijing buy the support of its neighbors.

China is also on track to become one of the world’s biggest overseas investors by 2020, with outbound foreign direct investment already topping $100 billion a year. In some countries, China’s investment is actually bigger than the loans they get from the International Monetary Fund, and that gives Beijing a lot of economic and political clout.

On top of that China is busy negotiating its own free-trade pact with 15 countries in the Asia Pacific region and is expected to become the world's largest economy in the next decade.

“That preponderance is driven by China’s sheer size, its continued growth — which though slower than in the past is still faster than that of most other Asian economies — and its increasing centrality in global supply chains,” Arthur Kroeber, managing director of Gavekal Dragonomics and editor of China Economic Quarterly, told Foreign Policy.

Missing out on a TPP membership card won't change that.

This article originally appeared on GlobalPost. Its content was created separately to USA TODAY.

Why China doesn’t mind being left out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership
 
What advantage does TPP offer us in own quest to evolve from a low/mid end, low-value added, to a high-end, high-value added economy?

What advantage does TPP offer us in our desire to expend overcapacity in China via overseas investments to spur growth?

What advantage does TPP offer us in our push to promote internationalization of the RMB?

Just a few simple questions to ponder...
 
Exactly. And this is the same reason why I said in my previous post that I doubt your true intention when you made remarks about Vietnam’s TPP deal.

But I agree that you would be critical of the CCP if they make decisions that you disagree with. However, I can’t say that for most of the other Chinese members here.

My sympathy is limited for those who help themselves. If you yourself support being exploited what am I as an outsider to do?
 
Exactly. And this is the same reason why I said in my previous post that I doubt your true intention when you made remarks about Vietnam’s TPP deal.

But I agree that you would be critical of the CCP if they make decisions that you disagree with. However, I can’t say that for most of the other Chinese members here.

Of course, China has some group support China joining in TTP. Different industry has different thoughts, opinions.
 
Those eggheads are cheering TPP with their butts not their brain. TPP was originally designed to exclude China by setting up rules that fit standards of US industrial practice. It's impossible for China to change so many things that Chinese economy have been built on. China is gradually developing and to promote new trade rules and new clubs such as AIIB, CPIS, Belt and Road, SCO, etc. It's no doubt that TPP is, as Obama poits out, about who decides the rules of trade.

Although Chinese economy has slowed down to 7% growth, it still adds 4 times VN GDP every year or 1 Indian GDP every 2+ years. China simply won't play like weightless peanuts to change sides as VN. We are heavy weight and big!
 
My sympathy is limited for those who help themselves. If you yourself support being exploited what am I as an outsider to do?

Thats not my point. I was not expecting you to be sympathetic, etc. My point was that you indeed do not have any such sympathy for VN-TPP, contrary to what you were trying to alluded to in your earlier post.

Speaking of exploitation, does the CCP allows workers to legally form their own independent labor unions to fight for their rights? Or are only state sactioned unions tolerated?

The TPP actually force govt to allow workers to legally form their own labor unions without any interferrence from the state or companies.

China has state sactioned labor unions since decades ago but it is a widely known fact that Chinese workers have been exploited, particularly during the 90s, and I can find articles and reports showing that it still exist today. And as far as I know, workers in China cannot legally form their own labor unions outside the state sanctioned ones to fight for their own well-being. Same for VN, but the TPP will soon give this rights for Vietnamese workers.


Those eggheads are cheering TPP with their butts not their brain. TPP was originally designed to exclude China by setting up rules that fit standards of US industrial practice.

Wrong.

I stopped reading at this part. TPP was “originally designed” by Singapore, Brunei, NZ and Chile and had nothing to do with the US or China.
 
You are too good to debate against. I was just thinking about posting informative articles to help inform our misinformed angry Chinese friends.

I see many positive things about the TPP. And I have already made my prediction that if Xi’s current reform plan doesn’t go too well, the liberal voices inside China will pressure him to change path and that China might eventually join the TPP. I will still maintain my prediction that China will join the TPP within 5-6 years.

Why are Chinese PDFers against TPP? Not the TPP itself, you got that moron what's his name going around PDF calling the rest of the world to collapse because there's this new thing PDF. Tell me he doesn't exist.

In reality, China is angry at TPP, because it is a political move, not an economic one. I would say that anger is misplaced, due to the reality of the situation, but whatever.

The TPP doesn't include China, like us or not, we are THE major player in international trade, this is like having a world basketball tournament and not invite the Americans.

Lastly, Xi's reform plan doesn't go as planned? When the Western news' most important news item is a glass bridge that had a crack (BTW, what they don't mention is the amount of tourists they let on the bridge at the same time), how can you possibly know.

Oh in other news Service is taking over manufacturing, oh in other news China is liberalizing the currency, so on so forth. BUT WAIT, glass bridge has crack, that's news, let's make fun of them for poor quality.
 
Thats not my point. I was not expecting you to be sympathetic, etc. My point was that you indeed do not have any such sympathy for VN-TPP, contrary to what you were trying to alluded to in your earlier post.

Speaking of exploitation, does the CCP allows workers to legally form their own independent labor unions to fight for their rights? Or are only state sactioned unions tolerated?

The TPP actually force govt to allow workers to legally form their own labor unions without any interferrence from the state or companies.

China has state sactioned labor unions since decades ago but it is a widely known fact that Chinese workers have been exploited, particularly during the 90s, and I can find articles and reports showing that it still exist today. And as far as I know, workers in China cannot legally form their own labor unions outside the state sanctioned ones to fight for their own well-being. Same for VN, but the TPP will soon give this rights for Vietnamese workers.




Wrong.

I stopped reading at this part. TPP was “originally designed” by Singapore, Brunei, NZ and Chile and had nothing to do with the US or China.

So here's the question: who was more exploited - laborers in 1980's Soviet Union who could not form independent unions or African workers in the 1980's in Western owned diamond mines who nominally could form independent unions?

Exploitation on the nation-state to nation-state scale is always much bigger than within nation states. The poorest 10% of Vietnamese and richest 10% of Vietnamese likely have a smaller gap than the average Vietnamese and average American.
 
True, i agree. However, pardon me as i play the "devil's advocate" here --- we as a region can only reduce flare up if we all embrace a united stance on development. I dont know, but I have always been in support of a united world government. I think that --- that is the eventuality if we expect to go beyond petty trifles of "national" territoriality foibles. We have much more greater goals to find such as harvesting the infinite energy that the moon has to offer. And global-supported colonization schemes extra-terrestria.

The US doesn't belong in an Asian "united stance on development."

American businessmen would sell their mothers for a dime. America's only interest is in ripping off the entire world to benefit its corporate oligarchs. So, anything they suggest for Asia will just be neo-slavery.
 
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