Chinese Navy (PLAN) News & Discussions

[Genesis]

don't be diplomatic here, if you agree, you agree, if not disagree. Now is not the time to play the middle man, that ship has sailed with this fraud.

 

[Aepsilons]

don't be diplomatic here, if you agree, you agree, if not disagree. Now is not the time to play the middle man, that ship has sailed with this fraud.

I'd prefer not to get involved in personal spats. I'll sit this one out.

PS. Nice thread tho. Awesome information here.

 

[Genesis]

I'd prefer not to get involved in personal spats. I'll sit this one out.

PS. Nice thread tho. Awesome information here.

great, I just tagged mother Teresa.

 

[Aepsilons]

great, I just tagged mother Teresa.

@SvenSvensonov , @Armstrong --- why is our brother @Genesis making fun of me ? I thought he was a drinking buddy after that one time we went with @Armstrong to that bunny ranch somewhere in the southwest. Sigh.

 

[Genesis]

@SvenSvensonov , @Armstrong --- why is our brother @Genesis making fun of me ? I thought he was a drinking buddy after that one time we went with @Armstrong to that bunny ranch somewhere in the southwest. Sigh.

I wouldn't go to the Ranch, I like my mellows filled with what God intended, and not pumped full of chemicals, just organic, no GMO.

As to making fun of you, that's how people talk, being from Jersey you should know that. Drinking? I drink to relax, not to take on more, and no offense, but XOXO is for chicks and the French.

 

[Shotgunner51]

I don't think we need so many LHDs, I also don't think America needs that many in the future either.

My reasoning is, when we match the US, we still won't be the US today, because there isn't a second US today, but there will be with China in the future.

So at best US and China divides the world in two and we both get half. So US' global strike will be much reduced, and our need will also never match the US' needs today.

Yes I agree in part with you hun. If we look at the broader picture, US is separated from the Eurasian landmass (& Africa) by the two biggest oceans, while China is different, hence the needs of naval capabilities are very different. And as aero-space techs evolves, as fragmentation on the Eurasian landmass continues to reduce, China's security dependence on navy wouldn't be as heavy as that of the US.

However I wouldn't undermine amphib capabilities in reinforcing air-land battles, though large scale Normandy or Incheon type of amphib warefare is not likely to happen again, these lessons may give future battle-field commanders more rooms of imagination in designing their game plans, more options on the table would be helpful. Also, with advancement of aero-space tech (like STVOL, smaller drones), other than traditional amphib warfare, LHA can carry out a lot of other operations like ASW, AAW, anit-terror warfare, and humanitarian operations, very flexible. So I think PLAN needs more amphib ships, like LHD or LHA. The required overall capability would be as big as that of US though, I say around half of that is adequate.

 

[jhungary]

Other people are selling? At our price and quality? Or at all? Or at that quantity? Find them. You can't because there is no other place. That's like saying because Walmart sells crap and non essential things, if they disappear overnight everything is cool.

The West or anyone else doesn't have enough capital to build another China, China has HSR, other countries doesn't, seems like it doesn't matter, but it frees up other tracks for cheaper and faster transport cost. China has a huge and growing domestic market, and factories bigger than cities, how are you going to find the workers, the management staff, and on that scale.

Japanese TV are not made with just Japanese parts, it's more like you won't have a TV, this is ridicules.

dude, you are talking about best price, it may work if we are talking about Philippine or Vietnam, but out here in the west, or the so called "CANADA" you said you lived in, paying another 100 bucks for a TV that did not make in China is totally affordable, and people with brand and country loyalty did do that.

Same goes to the electronic/component that built the TVs. If a Japanese Maker does not source those part in China, are they then have no where to turn??

If you have some sort of basic economy sense (Taken a class in Uni or something) you would know, in this market, current market, EVERYTHING IS REPLACEABLE. If the TV maker in Japan or South Korea cannot source item in China to build their TV they would be moving on to Vietnam or Thailand, in fact, this is already happening.

On the other hand, what good of a market for China will be if they try to hold the world hostage by not import or export any Chinese goods or Service?? Can you honestly answer me that??

Plus I don't know where this HSR is coming from, HSR only do improve internal movement it would not work if you have to cross an ocean. And the west does not need to invest in other third world country to do their infrastructure, China is already doing it for the West, the moment Chinese keep building roadway and railway and port and service hub, they are building infrastructure for the world to use, or you seriously think building a port in Sri Lanka would only allow Chinese using those port??

Is this for real right now, do you want to be the president that tells Apple and all the other luxury brands that they are now officially not going to meet the target. All companies must continue to grow, at least on paper, that's capitalism, if you project your future as steady, your stock is done and last time I checked, that's important.

The world could be without China in 1990s? Is this for real right now, this is 2015, are you going to ask Facebook to give back 10.2% and see if Facebook survives?

China was nothing then, but it's something now, the pie got bigger, and it can never shrink, if it shrinks the whole system falls apart. America almost collapsed due to a few housing bubbles, and now you want to take the second largest economy out of the WORLD. You know what the world's trade value is to the US, 100%. The US won't be reduced to 0, but it will be greatly reduced.

As I said before, World is doing fine without the Chinese market before the Chinese boom. And the world will continue to do fine without the Chinese Market if push come to shove.

Yes, Chinese market is the easiest and the biggest, hence businessman always goes where the money is, i suppose the president of Apple or Facebook will sigh about losing the Chinese market if the market did become Hostile, but would that spell doom of their business?

Yes, people are greedy in nature and people want to earn the most there are to earn and Chinese market currently suit this purpose, but say if Chinese government now raise taxes on import and request those country to do business with them to paid tribute or join their alliance, would you think the West would simply say (Yeah, we need to earn that 2 trillions dollars a year more so we need to do that. Even tho the number actually gone down by hostile trading environment)


The moment Chinese market cease to be profitable for Western Company, they will move out, take no but or if about that, businessman always look at money, not look at friendship. And that's why you can't use trade as a weapon.

There are trillions of foreign dollars in China, are you just going to tell all the investors, thanks for playing, maybe next time.



I don't even know why I took the 5 minutes it took to respond, but you don't say nothing, you say ridicules things.

Ask any credible economist, or other members on this forum, if they agree with you, I'll concede.


@Nihonjin1051 @SvenSvensonov @Echo_419 @LeveragedBuyout @Lord Zen

what forex comes into play with this??

Forex only there to stabilise an economy, that mean you have a more potent and stable economy to deal with, so when a company bough stuff in China, they will not get air instead of item, and also when people are selling stuff to China, they will get 80 dollars for that 80 dollars, instead of 70 or 60 of a dollar in one day (Look at The current Russian Situation)

Otherwise you are saying if the world stop selling to China, then Chinese will not release that Forex to stabilise the world market?? Then the west would simply withhold RMB and pump the inflation so the Forex Chinese holding would worth next to nothing. Again, all economic decision are dual direction, not just you said you would do that and the other did not have a countermeasure....

 

[Aepsilons]

I wouldn't go to the Ranch, I like my mellows filled with what God intended, and not pumped full of chemicals, just organic, no GMO.

As to making fun of you, that's how people talk, being from Jersey you should know that. Drinking? I drink to relax, not to take on more, and no offense, but XOXO is for chicks and the French.

hahahahahaha! oh Gen, you know how to make me laugh.

 

[truthseeker2010]

I wouldn't go to the Ranch, I like my mellows filled with what God intended, and not pumped full of chemicals, just organic, no GMO.

As to making fun of you, that's how people talk, being from Jersey you should know that. Drinking? I drink to relax, not to take on more, and no offense, but XOXO is for chicks and the French.

who is in ur avatar?

 

[Genesis]

Plus I don't know where this HSR is coming from, HSR only do improve internal movement it would not work if you have to cross an ocean. And the west does not need to invest in other third world country to do their infrastructure, China is already doing it for the West, the moment Chinese keep building roadway and railway and port and service hub, they are building infrastructure for the world to use, or you seriously think building a port in Sri Lanka would only allow Chinese using those port??


what forex comes into play with this??

Forex only there to stabilise an economy, that mean you have a more potent and stable economy to deal with, so when a company bough stuff in China, they will not get air instead of item, and also when people are selling stuff to China, they will get 80 dollars for that 80 dollars, instead of 70 or 60 of a dollar in one day (Look at The current Russian Situation)

Otherwise you are saying if the world stop selling to China, then Chinese will not release that Forex to stabilise the world market?? Then the west would simply withhold RMB and pump the inflation so the Forex Chinese holding would worth next to nothing. Again, all economic decision are dual direction, not just you said you would do that and the other did not have a countermeasure....

wow, no words, seriously, do you ever argue on point. I have debated with other members before, so I know it's not me, well, since this is a two person conversation, I'll leave the math to you.

We're done here, I know exactly where this is headed.

hahahahahaha! oh Gen, you know how to make me laugh.

What's so funny, you don't support organic? I go to farmers market exclusively, the freshness, the perkiness, the quality is unmatched, oh and fruits are nice too.

who is in ur avatar?

The truth.

 

[Echo_419]

Other people are selling? At our price and quality? Or at all? Or at that quantity? Find them. You can't because there is no other place. That's like saying because Walmart sells crap and non essential things, if they disappear overnight everything is cool.

The West or anyone else doesn't have enough capital to build another China, China has HSR, other countries doesn't, seems like it doesn't matter, but it frees up other tracks for cheaper and faster transport cost. China has a huge and growing domestic market, and factories bigger than cities, how are you going to find the workers, the management staff, and on that scale.

Japanese TV are not made with just Japanese parts, it's more like you won't have a TV, this is ridicules.




Is this for real right now, do you want to be the president that tells Apple and all the other luxury brands that they are now officially not going to meet the target. All companies must continue to grow, at least on paper, that's capitalism, if you project your future as steady, your stock is done and last time I checked, that's important.

The world could be without China in 1990s? Is this for real right now, this is 2015, are you going to ask Facebook to give back 10.2% and see if Facebook survives?

China was nothing then, but it's something now, the pie got bigger, and it can never shrink, if it shrinks the whole system falls apart. America almost collapsed due to a few housing bubbles, and now you want to take the second largest economy out of the WORLD. You know what the world's trade value is to the US, 100%. The US won't be reduced to 0, but it will be greatly reduced.


There are trillions of foreign dollars in China, are you just going to tell all the investors, thanks for playing, maybe next time.



I don't even know why I took the 5 minutes it took to respond, but you don't say nothing, you say ridicules things.

Ask any credible economist, or other members on this forum, if they agree with you, I'll concede.


@Nihonjin1051 @SvenSvensonov @Echo_419 @LeveragedBuyout @Lord Zen

Simple thing is the West & China are not like the USSR & West,they are just to connected to play sanction sanction.any such sanction will damage both the West & China equally (yes i am being diplomatic here) & will push the world economy back into recession for decades to come & that's the reason why it won't ever happen.so no point in discussing what's never gonna happen

 

[Aepsilons]

The truth.

What's so funny, you don't support organic? I go to farmers market exclusively, the freshness, the perkiness, the quality is unmatched, oh and fruits are nice too.

I'm not picky, i ...eat whatever. LOL.

 

[black-hawk_101]

I like LPDs instead of Destroyers/Cruisers and Frigates.

 

[Echo_419]

dude, you are talking about best price, it may work if we are talking about Philippine or Vietnam, but out here in the west, or the so called "CANADA" you said you lived in, paying another 100 bucks for a TV that did not make in China is totally affordable, and people with brand and country loyalty did do that.

Same goes to the electronic/component that built the TVs. If a Japanese Maker does not source those part in China, are they then have no where to turn??

If you have some sort of basic economy sense (Taken a class in Uni or something) you would know, in this market, current market, EVERYTHING IS REPLACEABLE. If the TV maker in Japan or South Korea cannot source item in China to build their TV they would be moving on to Vietnam or Thailand, in fact, this is already happening.

On the other hand, what good of a market for China will be if they try to hold the world hostage by not import or export any Chinese goods or Service?? Can you honestly answer me that??

Plus I don't know where this HSR is coming from, HSR only do improve internal movement it would not work if you have to cross an ocean. And the west does not need to invest in other third world country to do their infrastructure, China is already doing it for the West, the moment Chinese keep building roadway and railway and port and service hub, they are building infrastructure for the world to use, or you seriously think building a port in Sri Lanka would only allow Chinese using those port??




As I said before, World is doing fine without the Chinese market before the Chinese boom. And the world will continue to do fine without the Chinese Market if push come to shove.

Yes, Chinese market is the easiest and the biggest, hence businessman always goes where the money is, i suppose the president of Apple or Facebook will sigh about losing the Chinese market if the market did become Hostile, but would that spell doom of their business?

Yes, people are greedy in nature and people want to earn the most there are to earn and Chinese market currently suit this purpose, but say if Chinese government now raise taxes on import and request those country to do business with them to paid tribute or join their alliance, would you think the West would simply say (Yeah, we need to earn that 2 trillions dollars a year more so we need to do that. Even tho the number actually gone down by hostile trading environment)


The moment Chinese market cease to be profitable for Western Company, they will move out, take no but or if about that, businessman always look at money, not look at friendship. And that's why you can't use trade as a weapon.



what forex comes into play with this??

Forex only there to stabilise an economy, that mean you have a more potent and stable economy to deal with, so when a company bough stuff in China, they will not get air instead of item, and also when people are selling stuff to China, they will get 80 dollars for that 80 dollars, instead of 70 or 60 of a dollar in one day (Look at The current Russian Situation)

Otherwise you are saying if the world stop selling to China, then Chinese will not release that Forex to stabilise the world market?? Then the west would simply withhold RMB and pump the inflation so the Forex Chinese holding would worth next to nothing. Again, all economic decision are dual direction, not just you said you would do that and the other did not have a countermeasure....

I agree with your point that if China stops selling the world will not stop though it will surely go in recession for sometime (that includes China too)

 

[Aepsilons]

I like LPDs instead of Destroyers/Cruisers and Frigates.

True, true. That and LPDs can be easily fitted with ASROCs, ASMs, AAMs quite easily. Its a beautiful , adaptive platform.

Love the Type 071s buddy !