Chinese Naval Base at Gwadar: China's Foreign Office official response

[The Diplomat]

Don't be so ideological. I know it feels great to say things like "won't do X no matter what!" but I suggest back that up with some pragmatic reasoning.

Exactly how is it a breach of sovereignty? What about NATO bases in Turkey? Has Turkey lost sovereignty?

I neve said it would. My riposte was to the oft repeated mirage called "sovereighty" ~ a quality that is non extent at the bottom or the top. Electd elite and military officials are beholden to second tier slaves of American like the Saudi's. One call from Riyadh will see Nawaz or his brother Shebaz scurrying to their pleasure.

Sovereighty does not get denuded if state enters into a agreement to station another friendly military for mutual strategic reasons. This sort of thinking is a legacy of colonial legacy. UK had/has as you will know huge US military bases. Turkey hosts huge NATO military bases. So does Japan. So does South Korea. Although Somalia, Bangladesh do not. Point being there is little to no correlation between sovereignty had hosting bases.

Hi,

US has bases in UK---is britain not sovereign---how about germany and Japan and so korea---Turkey---Poland etc etc etc.

Please use your comments in reference to the rest of the world---.

And not on WHAT YOU THINK.

Looks like one or two of our fellow member took the discussion a bit too personal, which was never my intention to cause. I don’t appreciate being attacked in such a manner, as I have the right to an opinion as the rest of the members do. All three comments are linkable therefor I will reply to all three together.

Each country reffered in the reply was a NATO country except for South Korea. The difference between NATO and Pakistan and China is that NATO is a union that brings mutual benefit to all member states. The benefit being that if one country of NATO is under threat by another non-NATO country then all members will defend that country, as history shows NATO worked well in the Cold War. Therefor one can say NATO boosts you sovereignty as it provides a membered state with protection. Pakistan and China have no such agreement.

South Korea is not a worthy example thesedays, why? Well it’s due to the fact that both the South Koreans and the Americans hate North Korea. South Korea openly invited America “just in case things get worse”. North may be able to take on South however it will never be able to take on America.

Pakistan has major non-NATO ally status, which the US has given. Should Pakistan also re-allow the US to have a base in that case? It will stop the US from pointing fingers... Whats the difference between China and US having a base?

Our fellow member Kaptaan also talked about Sharif family and I agree with him. I never voted for them, infact their menifesto said that they would provide overseas Pakistani with voting facilities, which never happened... However the PM these days is Shaid H Abbasi, I never voted for him... However in the UK, I didn’t vote for the Tories. Should I start protesting outside? SC is taking action against the Sharif family and we should let that happen behind the scenes.

As for sovereignty, your leaders fought for your right to live in a sovereign nation. A clause from The Lahore Resolution:
“That geographically contiguous units are demarcated into regions which should be constituted, with such territorial readjustments as may be necessary that the areas in which the Muslims are numerically in a majority as in the North Western and Eastern Zones of (British) India should be grouped to constitute ‘independent states’ in which the constituent units should be autonomous and sovereign.”

 

[Crystal-Clear]

Naval base would be ok .

 

[HttpError]

Too much dependence on any single entity is not really a very good idea. We need to be self sufficient and need to enhance our defence capabilities.

 

[somebozo]

China really should build a base in Pakistan. Bring your culture, mass peoples, and ways of doing things over with you while you're at it. China is a proven partner and a win-win scenario would be achieved with this outcome.

Begging to be enslaved?

 

[RealNapster]

China really should build a base in Pakistan. Bring your culture, mass peoples, and ways of doing things over with you while you're at it. China is a proven partner and a win-win scenario would be achieved with this outcome.

Now a days people get Positive ratings on such posts. Speechless.
@Zibago , @Hell hound , @Mentee

 

[Enigma_]

Don't know why some posters are getting so offended. Considering our government and military readily let the US launch drone attacks on our soil (some of which from our own military installments), a military base from a friend wouldn't really be that problematic.

Full on Pakistani style sovereignty -

• Right to starve.
• Right to hunger.
• Right to no or terrible health care
• Right to no or terrible education
• Right to no or terrible justice
• Right to live in filthy towns/cities
• Right to live in chaos
• Right to be ruled by corrupt mafia class
• Right to run abroad to UK dash the West to escape all of the above [Hint]

Exactly. The hypocrisy is amazing.

 

[Unite & Defend]

Now a days people get Positive ratings on such posts. Speechless.
@Zibago , @Hell hound , @Mentee

If you want it, ask the mods to send it to you. I'm ok without it.

 

[Enigma_]

Begging to be enslaved?

Pretty sure Saudi already has a military base (or presence at the very least) in Pakistan. Considering a lot of us already consider ourselves slaves of Arabs I don't think China would be that much of a problem.

 

[Mentee]

Now a days people get Positive ratings on such posts. Speechless.
@Zibago , @Hell hound , @Mentee

To some extent I do agree with patriot but then to balance things out lease out one to the Russians as well

If you want it, ask the mods to send it to you. I'm ok without it.

Hey go easy on him man. He's just voicing his concerns

 

[The Diplomat]

Pretty sure Saudi already has a military base (or presence at the very least) in Pakistan. Considering a lot of us already consider ourselves slaves of Arabs I don't think China would be that much of a problem.

I don’t know about you but I don’t... Sharif family might.

 

[Enigma_]

I don’t know about you but I don’t... Sharif family might.

Well the Sharifs are just a representation of a lot of our Awaam. He runs off to them every couple of days (and the UK too). But most Pakistanis don't really have a problem with that, as shown by the recent polls. Military is much the same.

 

[Mentee]

Pretty sure Saudi already has a military base (or presence at the very least) in Pakistan. Considering a lot of us already consider ourselves slaves of Arabs I don't think China would be that much of a problem.

Is it necessary to always accuse a segment of one's own society of being a slave of some other nation if that nation is doing any business with us just coz we don't like those folks?

 

[The Diplomat]

Is it necessary to always accuse a segment of one's own society of being a slave of some other nation if that nation is doing any business with us just coz we don't like those folks?

If he’s referring to us being slaves of Saudi then he’s forgetting that we said no to joining the Yemen war.

 

[Enigma_]

Is it necessary to always accuse a segment of one's own society of being a slave of some other nation if that nation is doing any business with us just coz we don't like those folks?

Well I am just pointing out the hypocrisy. It is wrong to allow a military base from a true friend but okay for people that a lot of our people consider superior and hence idolise them? I keep on repeating this but when I say ARABS I mean their respective governments not their commoners. So no I don't hate the Arabian people but yes I do hate their representatives. Well most of them anyway.

If he’s referring to us being slaves of Saudi then he’s forgetting that we said no to joining the Yemen war.

For once we did deny them. +1 to you. Even though a lot of politicians (including Nawaz) was 100% for joining the Saudis.

 

[RealNapster]

If you want it, ask the mods to send it to you. I'm ok without it.

So from my post you came to the conclusion that i want those positive ratings ? amazing