Chinese Missiles News & Discussions

[Ultima Thule]

China is now developing the 6th generation aircraft fighter, so there is no need to follow like the US to restrict the 5th generation aircraft fighter technology.

so does Russia and US not only china sir

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

so does Russia and US not only china sir

The 6th generation aircraft should be the end of the turbofan jet era, since the turbofan engine will reach its theoretical limit. The 7th generation aircraft will likely use the scramjet engine which is strongly favored China.

 

[Beast]

Unfortunately, we might not be able to use them on Thunders. We'd have to acquire a larger jet coupled with these Missiles to 'take care' of the Phalcons.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201611231047746741-su35-china-delivery/

Not to worry too much

 

[Deino]

Maybe J-20B for Pakistan.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201611231047746741-su35-china-delivery/

Not to worry too much

Oh no, not these wet-dreams again. PAFK will get these Su-35, Pakistan will use this PL-XX from the JF-17, PAF will get €F, additional F-16s, the FC-31 and will participate on the TF-X ... and most of all will get the J-20B !

Really not sure, why this obsession ???

 

[Kompromat]

Oh no, not these wet-dreams again. PAFK will get these Su-35, Pakistan

Negotiations for Su-35s are on. Russians will sell them if we can pay for them.

use this PL-XX from the JF-17

Not possible, the missile is too big.

PAF will get €F

Who said that?

additional F-16s

Used ones, yes. Like the ADF F-16s
New ones. No

FC-31 and will participate on the TF-X

Pakistan will have to choose between the two for replacing the F-7PG and F-16s eventually.

and most of all will get the J-20B ! Really not sure, why this obsession ???

J-20B or any variant won't see service in Pakistan. Beijing won't export them to anyone, even us.

 

[Deino]

Negotiations for Su-35s are on. Russians will sell them if we can pay for them.
... maybe but not the ones to be delivered to China as Beast always claims.

Not possible, the missile is too big.
YES, but some still don't think so ...

Who said that?
... just look at the PAF-section.

Used ones, yes. Like the ADF F-16s
New ones. No
... agreed.

Pakistan will have to choose between the two for replacing the F-7PG and F-16s eventually.
... most likely, but IMO the TFX will be cancelled given the current political changes and if Pakistan cannot found the FC-31 also and it fails too, what's then ???

J-20B or any variant won't see service in Pakistan. Beijing won't export them to anyone, even us.
YES, but some certain fan-boys still think the PAF will get them.

Don't get me wrong or probably You got me wrong, but You only need to go over to the PAF-section and take a look what some fan-boys claim: this is exactly ranging from "we get these PLAAF Su-35, China will pay for us" over "€F or Rafale and new F-16 are a must have" (all for free) and most of all "Pakstan will surely get J-20" (also for free) ... simply laughable.

As such I completely agree with You.

Deino

 

[Kompromat]

Above all, this forum is for better informing young people.

Don't get me wrong or probably You got me wrong, but You only need to go over to the PAF-section and take a look what some fan-boys claim: this is exactly ranging from "we get these PLAAF Su-35, China will pay for us" over "€F or Rafale and new F-16 are a must have" (all for free) and most of all "Pakstan will surely get J-20" (also for free) ... simply laughable.

As such I completely agree with You.

Deino

 

[Deino]

Above all, this forum is for better informing young people.

Exactly this is the reason for my constant insisting in certain issues or - after a certain post contains only pure BS - sometimes harsh replies ... maybe too much of a teacher.

 

[hk299792458]

My very first analysis on the missile found on the J-16

http://www.eastpendulum.com/la-chine-developpe-un-missile-air-air-tres-longue-portee

Henri K.

 

[onebyone]

In November 2016, a Chinese J-16 strike fighter test-fired a larger and longer range hypersonic missile and successfully destroying the target drone at a very long range.

The missile is about 28 percent of the length of the J-16, which measures 22 meters (about 72 feet). The puts the missile at about 19 feet, and roughly 13 inches in diameter. The missile appears to have four tailfins. Reports are that the size would put into the category of a very long range air to air missile (VLRAAM) with ranges exceeding 300 km (roughly 186 miles), likely max out between 250 and 310 miles. (As a point of comparison, the smaller 13.8-foot, 15-inch-diameter Russian R-37 missile has a 249-mile range).


This missile would easily outrange any American (or other NATO) air-to-air missile.

The VLRAAM's powerful rocket engine will push it to Mach 6 speeds, which will increase the no escape zone (NEZ), that is the area where a target cannot outrun the missile, against even supersonic targets like stealth fighters.




The VLRAAM is one of the world's largest air to air missiles. Its other advanced features include an AESA radar, a infrared/electro-optical seeker (under the yellow-orange cover on the forward section above the nosecone), and satellite navigation midcourse correction.

Large radar able to detect stealth targets

The new, larger missile's added value is not just in range. It has a large active electronically scanned (AESA) radar, which is used in the terminal phase of flight to lock onto the target. The AESA radar's large size—about 300-400% larger than that of most long range air-to-air missiles—and digital adaptability makes it highly effective against distant and stealthy targets, and resilient against electronic countermeasures like jamming and spoofing.

Another researched VLRAAM function is datalinking; the papers called for the VLRAAM to be embedded within a highly integrated combat networks. It is envisioned as just part of a larger wave of networked solutions aggregated through multiple Chinese systems. For example, a J-20 stealth fighter wouldn't mount the missile (the VLRAAM is too large to fit in the J-20's weapons bay), but could use its low observable features to fly relatively close in order to detect enemy assets like AEW and C aircraft (which are vital to gather battlespace data for manned and unmanned assets, but subsonic in speed and less able to evade missiles). Then before breaking off contact, the J-20 would signal a J-16 400 km (249 miles) away (outside the range of most air to air missiles) providing it the data needed to launch the VLRAAM at the target. This would offer China a longer range version of present U.S. tactics that involve using the fifth generation F-22 as a sensor for 4th generation fighters as the "shooters."

Putting US refueling and electronic warfare planes at risks messes with all US Air operation strategies

The gains in range and speed of the VLRAAM pose another significant risk to the concepts of the U.S. military's "Third Offset." U.S. operations are highly dependent on assets like aerial tankers, dedicated electronic warfare aircraft, and AEW&C. For example, without aerial tankers, the relatively short range of the F-35s would become even more of a liability in long range operations in the South China Seas and Taiwan Straits. Similarly, without AEW&C aircraft, F-22s would have to use onboard radars more, raising their risk of detection. Even for stealthy tanker platforms like the planned MQ-25 Stingray drone and proposed KC-Z tanker will be vulnerable to VLRAAMs if detected by emerging dedicated anti-stealth systems such as the Divine Eagle drone and Yuanmeng airship

SOURCE- Popular Science, wikipedia

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/11/china-successfully-fires-radical-300.html

 

[masud]

IT,S RELLY A HUGE AAM...............

 

[Beast]

How heavy is this missile? 400-600kg?

 

[Deino]

In November 2016, a Chinese J-16 strike fighter test-fired a larger and longer range hypersonic missile and successfully destroying the target drone at a very long range.

The missile is about 28 percent of the length of the J-16, which measures 22 meters (about 72 feet). The puts the missile at about 19 feet, and roughly 13 inches in diameter. The missile appears to have four tailfins. Reports are that the size would put into the category of a very long range air to air missile (VLRAAM) with ranges exceeding 300 km (roughly 186 miles), likely max out between 250 and 310 miles. (As a point of comparison, the smaller 13.8-foot, 15-inch-diameter Russian R-37 missile has a 249-mile range).


This missile would easily outrange any American (or other NATO) air-to-air missile.

The VLRAAM's powerful rocket engine will push it to Mach 6 speeds, which will increase the no escape zone (NEZ), that is the area where a target cannot outrun the missile, against even supersonic targets like stealth fighters.




The VLRAAM is one of the world's largest air to air missiles. Its other advanced features include an AESA radar, a infrared/electro-optical seeker (under the yellow-orange cover on the forward section above the nosecone), and satellite navigation midcourse correction.

Large radar able to detect stealth targets

The new, larger missile's added value is not just in range. It has a large active electronically scanned (AESA) radar, which is used in the terminal phase of flight to lock onto the target. The AESA radar's large size—about 300-400% larger than that of most long range air-to-air missiles—and digital adaptability makes it highly effective against distant and stealthy targets, and resilient against electronic countermeasures like jamming and spoofing.

Another researched VLRAAM function is datalinking; the papers called for the VLRAAM to be embedded within a highly integrated combat networks. It is envisioned as just part of a larger wave of networked solutions aggregated through multiple Chinese systems. For example, a J-20 stealth fighter wouldn't mount the missile (the VLRAAM is too large to fit in the J-20's weapons bay), but could use its low observable features to fly relatively close in order to detect enemy assets like AEW and C aircraft (which are vital to gather battlespace data for manned and unmanned assets, but subsonic in speed and less able to evade missiles). Then before breaking off contact, the J-20 would signal a J-16 400 km (249 miles) away (outside the range of most air to air missiles) providing it the data needed to launch the VLRAAM at the target. This would offer China a longer range version of present U.S. tactics that involve using the fifth generation F-22 as a sensor for 4th generation fighters as the "shooters."

Putting US refueling and electronic warfare planes at risks messes with all US Air operation strategies

The gains in range and speed of the VLRAAM pose another significant risk to the concepts of the U.S. military's "Third Offset." U.S. operations are highly dependent on assets like aerial tankers, dedicated electronic warfare aircraft, and AEW&C. For example, without aerial tankers, the relatively short range of the F-35s would become even more of a liability in long range operations in the South China Seas and Taiwan Straits. Similarly, without AEW&C aircraft, F-22s would have to use onboard radars more, raising their risk of detection. Even for stealthy tanker platforms like the planned MQ-25 Stingray drone and proposed KC-Z tanker will be vulnerable to VLRAAMs if detected by emerging dedicated anti-stealth systems such as the Divine Eagle drone and Yuanmeng airship

SOURCE- Popular Science, wikipedia

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/11/china-successfully-fires-radical-300.html

Was this missile really test-fired? As far as I know we have only seen these 3 images, IMO ss a captive test, but there was no actual launch.

 

[The Eagle]

In November 2016, a Chinese J-16 strike fighter test-fired a larger and longer range hypersonic missile and successfully destroying the target drone at a very long range.

The missile is about 28 percent of the length of the J-16, which measures 22 meters (about 72 feet). The puts the missile at about 19 feet, and roughly 13 inches in diameter. The missile appears to have four tailfins. Reports are that the size would put into the category of a very long range air to air missile (VLRAAM) with ranges exceeding 300 km (roughly 186 miles), likely max out between 250 and 310 miles. (As a point of comparison, the smaller 13.8-foot, 15-inch-diameter Russian R-37 missile has a 249-mile range).


This missile would easily outrange any American (or other NATO) air-to-air missile.

The VLRAAM's powerful rocket engine will push it to Mach 6 speeds, which will increase the no escape zone (NEZ), that is the area where a target cannot outrun the missile, against even supersonic targets like stealth fighters.




The VLRAAM is one of the world's largest air to air missiles. Its other advanced features include an AESA radar, a infrared/electro-optical seeker (under the yellow-orange cover on the forward section above the nosecone), and satellite navigation midcourse correction.

Large radar able to detect stealth targets

The new, larger missile's added value is not just in range. It has a large active electronically scanned (AESA) radar, which is used in the terminal phase of flight to lock onto the target. The AESA radar's large size—about 300-400% larger than that of most long range air-to-air missiles—and digital adaptability makes it highly effective against distant and stealthy targets, and resilient against electronic countermeasures like jamming and spoofing.

Another researched VLRAAM function is datalinking; the papers called for the VLRAAM to be embedded within a highly integrated combat networks. It is envisioned as just part of a larger wave of networked solutions aggregated through multiple Chinese systems. For example, a J-20 stealth fighter wouldn't mount the missile (the VLRAAM is too large to fit in the J-20's weapons bay), but could use its low observable features to fly relatively close in order to detect enemy assets like AEW and C aircraft (which are vital to gather battlespace data for manned and unmanned assets, but subsonic in speed and less able to evade missiles). Then before breaking off contact, the J-20 would signal a J-16 400 km (249 miles) away (outside the range of most air to air missiles) providing it the data needed to launch the VLRAAM at the target. This would offer China a longer range version of present U.S. tactics that involve using the fifth generation F-22 as a sensor for 4th generation fighters as the "shooters."

Putting US refueling and electronic warfare planes at risks messes with all US Air operation strategies

The gains in range and speed of the VLRAAM pose another significant risk to the concepts of the U.S. military's "Third Offset." U.S. operations are highly dependent on assets like aerial tankers, dedicated electronic warfare aircraft, and AEW&C. For example, without aerial tankers, the relatively short range of the F-35s would become even more of a liability in long range operations in the South China Seas and Taiwan Straits. Similarly, without AEW&C aircraft, F-22s would have to use onboard radars more, raising their risk of detection. Even for stealthy tanker platforms like the planned MQ-25 Stingray drone and proposed KC-Z tanker will be vulnerable to VLRAAMs if detected by emerging dedicated anti-stealth systems such as the Divine Eagle drone and Yuanmeng airship

SOURCE- Popular Science, wikipedia

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/11/china-successfully-fires-radical-300.html

What a beast and if become reality, I wish we may have a platform for full utilization of such kind of weapons.

 

[Zhu Rong Zheng Yang]

By writing comment such as the above ( post #632 ) , ... ...
I hope ... ...
your intention is to get someone from PLAAF to post the unknown VLRAAM firing hitting a Targetting drone pictures.
If this is your intention, then I salute your effort.

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Maybe that is not your intention.
If that is not your intention, then your comment makes you look ridiculously stupid.
Why would PLAAF show a picture of J-16 carrying this unknown VLRAAM -- just to parade it around ??
without even testing and firing this missile into a Targetting drone ??

No war-mongering & bashing of other countries !