Chinese Missiles News & Discussions

[Akasa]

Wrong typo , it is YJ-81 and you don't rot. I am talking about missile fitted into torpedo canister to be underwater fire anti-ship missile. Even zarvan understands that.

The YJ-81 is not and was never designed as an anti-submarine rocket, which new mystery CY-XX is. The two are unrelated.

 

[Deino]

Wrong typo , it is YJ-81 and you don't rot. I am talking about missile fitted into torpedo canister to be underwater fire anti-ship missile. Even zarvan understands that.

A simple: Oh thanks; sorry ... I meant the YJ-81 and YJ-18 was a typo would be fine, but as typical You blame me that I ask again only to be sure when you make a type (not a problem at all!) and even more don't know that the YJ-81 was never a torpedo ! Indeed, well done again.

Deino

 

[cirr]

Precisely, just like a reverse process of Torpedo to Missile of YJ-18
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Normal anti sub torpedo is limited in range and speed against Submarine. With Rocket assisted or missile torpedo, you have fast reaction and far longer range against lurking submarine.

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Look at this missile launch. It is flat head against tradition sharp point SAM launch from warship.. It is a ASROC fired from PLAN Type054A frigate

It is worth bearing in mind that what we see now might had been filmed more than 3 years ago.

 

[Shotgunner51]

China is testing a new long-range, air-to-air missile that could thwart U.S. plans for air warfare
The hypersonic missile reaches can take down aircraft from 200 miles.
By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer Yesterday at 5:45am

PL-XX
The J-16 carries two VLRAAM for a test firing.​

In November 2016, a Chinese J-16 strike fighter test-fired a gigantic hypersonic missile, successfully destroying the target drone at a very long range.

Looking at takeoff photos, we estimate the missile is about 28 percent of the length of the J-16, which measures 22 meters (about 72 feet). The puts the missile at about 19 feet, and roughly 13 inches in diameter. The missile appears to have four tailfins. Reports are that the size would put into the category of a very long range air to air missile (VLRAAM) with ranges exceeding 300 km (roughly 186 miles), likely max out between 250 and 310 miles. (As a point of comparison, the smaller 13.8-foot, 15-inch-diameter Russian R-37 missile has a 249-mile range).

This is a big deal: this missile would easily outrange any American (or other NATO) air-to-air missile. Additionally, the VLRAAM's powerful rocket engine will push it to Mach 6 speeds, which will increase the no escape zone (NEZ), that is the area where a target cannot outrun the missile, against even supersonic targets like stealth fighters.

VLRAAM
The VLRAAM is one of the world's largest air to air missiles.
Its other advanced features include an AESA radar, a infrared/electro-optical seeker (under the yellow-orange cover on the forward section above the nosecone), and satellite navigation midcourse correction.​

The new, larger missile's added value is not just in range. Another key feature: its large active electronically scanned (AESA) radar, which is used in the terminal phase of flight to lock onto the target. The AESA radar's large size—about 300-400% larger than that of most long range air-to-air missiles—and digital adaptability makes it highly effective against distant and stealthy targets, and resilient against electronic countermeasures like jamming and spoofing.

The VLRAAM's backup sensor is a infrared/electro-optical seeker that can identify and hone in on high-value targets like aerial tankers and airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) radar aircraft. The VLRAAM also uses lateral thrusters built into the rear for improving its terminal phase maneuverability when engaging agile targets like fighters.

Glide
This 2015 study in a Chinese scientific journal discusses the flight path and performance of a VLRAAM, which flies 15 km upward of its launching fighter to a 30 km altitude, and is guided by a combination of long range radars (like Chinese AEWC planes) and satellite navigation, before divebombing at hypersonic speeds onto enemy aircraft, including stealth fighters, stealth bombers and AEWC aircraft.​

Interestingly, the ability to glide may be a key feature as well. A 2016 research paper by Zhang Hongyuan, Zheng Yuejing, and Shi Xiaorong of Beijing Institute of Control and Electronics Technology linked to the VLRAAM development suggests that the midcourse portion of the VLRAAM's flight will occur at altitudes above 30 km (about 18.6 miles). Flying at such low pressure, low drag high altitudes would allow the VLRAAM to extend its range (similar to hypersonic gliders). The high altitude also makes it difficult for enemy aircraft and air defenses to shoot it down midflight. Finally, high altitude flight means that the VLRAAM would have a high angle of attack against lower flying targets, which reduces the response time for enemy evasive action.

Divine Eagle at War
The Divine Eagle is shown here in both offensive operations (providing targeting for smart bombs to strike enemy SAM, communications, bunkers and ballistic ICBMs) as well as defensive operations (detecting American stealth aircraft before they enter China airspace).
This HALE drone, with radars optimized to detect stealth aircraft, would be part of a wider Chinese air defense network that would guide VLRAAMs against enemy stealth aircraft.​

Another researched VLRAAM function is datalinking; the papers called for the VLRAAM to be embedded within a highly integrated combat networks. It is envisioned as just part of a larger wave of networked solutions aggregated through multiple Chinese systems. For example, a J-20 stealth fighter wouldn't mount the missile (the VLRAAM is too large to fit in the J-20's weapons bay), but could use its low observable features to fly relatively close in order to detect enemy assets like AEW&C aircraft (which are vital to gather battlespace data for manned and unmanned assets, but subsonic in speed and less able to evade missiles). Then before breaking off contact, the J-20 would signal a J-16 400 km (249 miles) away (outside the range of most air to air missiles) providing it the data needed to launch the VLRAAM at the target. This would offer China a longer range version of present U.S. tactics that involve using the fifth generation F-22 as a sensor for 4th generation fighters as the "shooters."

The Future is Here
In operation, the VLRAAM will provide J-20 stealth fighters with long range "aerial artillery" to even the odds against numerically superior air forces, while giving new life to J-11 and J-16 fighters. It can also give J-15 carrier fighters a long range interception capability to defend Chinese naval forces.​

The gains in range and speed of the VLRAAM pose another significant risk to the concepts of the U.S. military's "Third Offset." U.S. operations are highly dependent on assets like aerial tankers, dedicated electronic warfare aircraft, and AEW&C. For example, without aerial tankers, the relatively short range of the F-35s would become even more of a liability in long range operations in the South China Seas and Taiwan Straits. Similarly, without AEW&C aircraft, F-22s would have to use onboard radars more, raising their risk of detection. Even for stealthy tanker platforms like the planned MQ-25 Stingray drone and proposed KC-Z tanker will be vulnerable to VLRAAMs if detected by emerging dedicated anti-stealth systems such as the Divine Eagle drone and Yuanmeng airship.

By pushing the Chinese air defense threat bubble hundreds of miles out further, they also offer to turn the long range tables on the putative U.S. "Arsenal" Plane concept, a Pentagon plan to launch missiles from non-stealthy planes from afar. In sum, VLRAAM is not just a big missile, but a potential big deal for the future of air warfare.

http://www.popsci.com/china-new-long-range-air-to-air-missile

 

[Kompromat]

Unfortunately, we might not be able to use them on Thunders. We'd have to acquire a larger jet coupled with these Missiles to 'take care' of the Phalcons.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Unfortunately, we might not be able to use them on Thunders. We'd have to acquire a larger jet coupled with these Missiles to 'take care' of the Phalcons.

Maybe J-20B for Pakistan.

 

[Kompromat]

That is a very optimistic assumption and very generous too. First, i doubt that China will export the J-20s, even to Pakistan. Secondly, even if it does, we won't be able to acquire them in strong numbers which would be needed to make the difference vis-a-vis India.

Maybe J-20B for Pakistan.

 

[New World]

Maybe J-20B for Pakistan.

J-20B?

 

[Shotgunner51]

Unfortunately, we might not be able to use them on Thunders. We'd have to acquire a larger jet coupled with these Missiles to 'take care' of the Phalcons.

These VLRAAM are too large for weapons bay of stealth jets, even that of J20. The papers called for the VLRAAM to be embedded within a highly integrated combat networks, envisioned as just part of a larger wave of networked solutions aggregated through multiple systems. In PAF scenario, Thunders with improved penetration capabilities may act as "sensors", while other heavier platforms act as the "shooters".

 

[Blue Marlin]

China is testing a new long-range, air-to-air missile that could thwart U.S. plans for air warfare
The hypersonic missile reaches can take down aircraft from 200 miles.
By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer Yesterday at 5:45am

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PL-XX
The J-16 carries two VLRAAM for a test firing.​

In November 2016, a Chinese J-16 strike fighter test-fired a gigantic hypersonic missile, successfully destroying the target drone at a very long range.

Looking at takeoff photos, we estimate the missile is about 28 percent of the length of the J-16, which measures 22 meters (about 72 feet). The puts the missile at about 19 feet, and roughly 13 inches in diameter. The missile appears to have four tailfins. Reports are that the size would put into the category of a very long range air to air missile (VLRAAM) with ranges exceeding 300 km (roughly 186 miles), likely max out between 250 and 310 miles. (As a point of comparison, the smaller 13.8-foot, 15-inch-diameter Russian R-37 missile has a 249-mile range).

This is a big deal: this missile would easily outrange any American (or other NATO) air-to-air missile. Additionally, the VLRAAM's powerful rocket engine will push it to Mach 6 speeds, which will increase the no escape zone (NEZ), that is the area where a target cannot outrun the missile, against even supersonic targets like stealth fighters.

View attachment 354925

VLRAAM
The VLRAAM is one of the world's largest air to air missiles.
Its other advanced features include an AESA radar, a infrared/electro-optical seeker (under the yellow-orange cover on the forward section above the nosecone), and satellite navigation midcourse correction.​

The new, larger missile's added value is not just in range. Another key feature: its large active electronically scanned (AESA) radar, which is used in the terminal phase of flight to lock onto the target. The AESA radar's large size—about 300-400% larger than that of most long range air-to-air missiles—and digital adaptability makes it highly effective against distant and stealthy targets, and resilient against electronic countermeasures like jamming and spoofing.

The VLRAAM's backup sensor is a infrared/electro-optical seeker that can identify and hone in on high-value targets like aerial tankers and airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) radar aircraft. The VLRAAM also uses lateral thrusters built into the rear for improving its terminal phase maneuverability when engaging agile targets like fighters.

View attachment 354926

Glide
This 2015 study in a Chinese scientific journal discusses the flight path and performance of a VLRAAM, which flies 15 km upward of its launching fighter to a 30 km altitude, and is guided by a combination of long range radars (like Chinese AEWC planes) and satellite navigation, before divebombing at hypersonic speeds onto enemy aircraft, including stealth fighters, stealth bombers and AEWC aircraft.​

Interestingly, the ability to glide may be a key feature as well. A 2016 research paper by Zhang Hongyuan, Zheng Yuejing, and Shi Xiaorong of Beijing Institute of Control and Electronics Technology linked to the VLRAAM development suggests that the midcourse portion of the VLRAAM's flight will occur at altitudes above 30 km (about 18.6 miles). Flying at such low pressure, low drag high altitudes would allow the VLRAAM to extend its range (similar to hypersonic gliders). The high altitude also makes it difficult for enemy aircraft and air defenses to shoot it down midflight. Finally, high altitude flight means that the VLRAAM would have a high angle of attack against lower flying targets, which reduces the response time for enemy evasive action.

View attachment 354927

Divine Eagle at War
The Divine Eagle is shown here in both offensive operations (providing targeting for smart bombs to strike enemy SAM, communications, bunkers and ballistic ICBMs) as well as defensive operations (detecting American stealth aircraft before they enter China airspace).
This HALE drone, with radars optimized to detect stealth aircraft, would be part of a wider Chinese air defense network that would guide VLRAAMs against enemy stealth aircraft.​

Another researched VLRAAM function is datalinking; the papers called for the VLRAAM to be embedded within a highly integrated combat networks. It is envisioned as just part of a larger wave of networked solutions aggregated through multiple Chinese systems. For example, a J-20 stealth fighter wouldn't mount the missile (the VLRAAM is too large to fit in the J-20's weapons bay), but could use its low observable features to fly relatively close in order to detect enemy assets like AEW&C aircraft (which are vital to gather battlespace data for manned and unmanned assets, but subsonic in speed and less able to evade missiles). Then before breaking off contact, the J-20 would signal a J-16 400 km (249 miles) away (outside the range of most air to air missiles) providing it the data needed to launch the VLRAAM at the target. This would offer China a longer range version of present U.S. tactics that involve using the fifth generation F-22 as a sensor for 4th generation fighters as the "shooters."

View attachment 354928

The Future is Here
In operation, the VLRAAM will provide J-20 stealth fighters with long range "aerial artillery" to even the odds against numerically superior air forces, while giving new life to J-11 and J-16 fighters. It can also give J-15 carrier fighters a long range interception capability to defend Chinese naval forces.​

The gains in range and speed of the VLRAAM pose another significant risk to the concepts of the U.S. military's "Third Offset." U.S. operations are highly dependent on assets like aerial tankers, dedicated electronic warfare aircraft, and AEW&C. For example, without aerial tankers, the relatively short range of the F-35s would become even more of a liability in long range operations in the South China Seas and Taiwan Straits. Similarly, without AEW&C aircraft, F-22s would have to use onboard radars more, raising their risk of detection. Even for stealthy tanker platforms like the planned MQ-25 Stingray drone and proposed KC-Z tanker will be vulnerable to VLRAAMs if detected by emerging dedicated anti-stealth systems such as the Divine Eagle drone and Yuanmeng airship.

By pushing the Chinese air defense threat bubble hundreds of miles out further, they also offer to turn the long range tables on the putative U.S. "Arsenal" Plane concept, a Pentagon plan to launch missiles from non-stealthy planes from afar. In sum, VLRAAM is not just a big missile, but a potential big deal for the future of air warfare.

http://www.popsci.com/china-new-long-range-air-to-air-missile

lol, a load of crap coupled with images from pdf that surfaced about few days ago. and yes someone can count pixels too

 

[Ultima Thule]

These VLRAAM are too large for weapons bay of stealth jets, even that of J20. The papers called for the VLRAAM to be embedded within a highly integrated combat networks, envisioned as just part of a larger wave of networked solutions aggregated through multiple systems. In PAF scenario, Thunders may act as "sensors", while other heavier platforms act as the "shooters".

What other havier plate-form sir? kindy explain

 

[Shotgunner51]

What other havier plate-form sir? kindy explain

There isn't a suitable one in PAF at the moment, need to procure. In PLAAF's scenario, it's J-16 series.

 

[Akasa]

Unfortunately, we might not be able to use them on Thunders. We'd have to acquire a larger jet coupled with these Missiles to 'take care' of the Phalcons.

The missile is 5-6 meters long, which could fit on the centerline hardpoint of the JF-17. However, to use this weapon effectively, Pakistan would need a platform that can provide midcourse guidance and be able to go near enemy air assets with little detection.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That is a very optimistic assumption and very generous too. First, i doubt that China will export the J-20s, even to Pakistan. Secondly, even if it does, we won't be able to acquire them in strong numbers which would be needed to make the difference vis-a-vis India.

China is now developing the 6th generation aircraft fighter, so there is no need to follow like the US to restrict the 5th generation aircraft fighter technology.

J-20B?

The finalized version of the J-20.

 

[Akasa]

There isn't a suitable one in PAF at the moment, need to procure. In PLAAF's scenario, it's J-16 series.

The J-16 is a strike fighter, so it's unlikely the intended platform for the PL-XX. The J-11D, J-11B, J-15, and J-10B/C are likely carriers.