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The conflict escalated into warfare when North Korean military (Korean People's Army, KPA) forces—supported by the Soviet Union and China—crossed the border and advanced into South Korea on 25 June 1950

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
If watch the video carefully. You would find Chinese army charge tactic. We call it as 3-3 tactic. There are many small teams. Each team has 3 soliders. The flood charge shown in Korean movies is just absurd.
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The video is not true, not document shootings from time of 1950s, its movie made by china.
Whoever believed in such shit has clearly no idea about warfare which it is even impossible in ancient time, let alone facing a superpower that the bullets and bombs they used during the war are enough of killing every creature on this earth for ten times.

Anyway, never expect too much from the vietnam three brothers (viet,cochine,vivaviet).
 
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Initial Korean War was mostly fought with Japanese WW2 weapon.

After WW2 in 1945, communist suddenly become a powerful beast. As late as 1942, KMT easily defeat CPC army group like nobody, wiping out New 4th Army, capturing their top leaders such as Ye Ting, Xiang Ying.

General Su Yu, the biggest war hero in Huai Hai campaign, run away in 1942.

Then in 1945, CPC is suddenly well armed even fielding heavy artillery.

Japan did handover arms and munitions to communist, which could be reason that CPC let Japan off hook too easily. Japanese soldiers and medical corps fought along side with CPC, in large number.

This is seldom mentioned due to sensitive political reasons.
You know Chinese history better than most Chinese.
 
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In Vietnam war, Vietnam won US intervention with the help of all 12 countries from Socialist pact, headed by Soviet Union. China is one of them.
Nice sugar coating to put China into one of the 12 countries, I guess it's just like saying US doesn't play a major role during the Korean war as they were among one of the countries that send troops to Korea.

Open your sorry eyes, looked at that political, military support to your party, loss of life, and huge numbers of supply provided by us even at the time when we were still dirt poor for a whole fking 20+ years!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War

During the First Indochina War[edit]
In the early 1950s, the Vietnamese Communists confronted formidable enemies and Ho Chi Minh avidly sought advice and weapons from China. The PRC began to send their advisors and later form the Chinese Military Advisory Group (CMAG) to assist the Viet Minh forces led by Wei Guoqing and Chen Geng. CMAG and Viet Minh began training for their first campaign. In September 1950, the Border Campaigns were launched.[2]:42 And between April and September 1950, China sent to the Viet Minh 14,000 rifles and pistols, 1,700 machine guns and recoilless rifles, 150 mortars, 60 artillery pieces and 300 bazookas, as well as ammunition, medicine, communications materials, clothes and 2,800 tons of food.[1]:20

In addition, a “political advisory group” was also sent from China to northern Vietnam in 1950, led by Luo Guibo.[1]:15 Luo went to Tonkin to “pass on China’s experience in financial and economic work, rectification of cadres’ ideology and working style, government work and mobilization of the masses.”[5] Between 1951 to 1954, the Chinese helped the Vietnamese in training their military commanders; reorganizing their defense and financial systems. They also helped the Vietnamese to mobilize the peasants to support war through land reform campaigns. Overall, there was a massive transfer of the Chinese experience of making a revolution to the Vietnamese.[1]:63

After the Geneva Conference[edit]
In the years following the conclusion of the 1954 Geneva Conference, China desired a peaceful international environment in order to focus on domestic reconstruction[1]:65 while Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) faced two fundamental tasks: to reconstruct the north and to unify the south.

To rebuild the north, the CPV immediately got assistance from China after the Geneva Conference. To help the DRV “relieve famine, rebuild the transportation systems, revive agriculture, reconstruct the urban economy, and improve the armed forces,”[1]:69 Beijing agreed to provide rice, sent a team of economic advisers and experts to North Vietnam.[1]:70 In December 1954, China sent more than 2000 railroad workers to the DRV to repair railway lines, roads, and bridges.[1]:70 During Ho Chi Minh’s official visit to China in 1955, Beijing agreed to provide a grant of $200 million to be used to build various projects. After that, they also established a manpower exchange program.[1]:71 Between 1955 and 1957, in addition to assistance from China, the Soviet Union also played an important role in helping DRV reconstruct and develop its economy.

When the 15th Plenum of the VWP Central Committee in 1959 authorized the use of armed struggle in the south,[1]:82 Hanoi kept asking Beijing for military aid. Under these circumstances and in response to Hanoi's requests, China offered substantial military aid to Vietnam before 1963. According Chinese sources,[6] “during the 1956–63 period, China military aid to Vietnam totaled 320 million yuan. China's arms shipments to Vietnam included 270,000 guns, over 10,000 pieces of artillery, 200 million bullets of different types, 2.02 million artillery shells, 15,00 wire transmitters, 5,000 radio transmitters, over 1,000 trucks, 15 planes 28 naval vessels and 1.18 million sets of military uniforms."[3]:359 It was China’s aid to North Vietnam from 1955 to 1963 that effectively giving the North the resources needed to begin the insurgency in the South.[7]:215

Confronting U.S. escalation[edit]

The catalyst for the Vietnam War would be the controversial Gulf of Tonkin incident in August 1964. “To confront the increasing U.S. pressure in Indochina, Beijing stepped up its coordination with the Vietnamese and Laotian parties.”[1]:131

To counter these U.S. overwhelming air strikes, Ho requested Chinese Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) units in a meeting with Mao in May 1965. In response, People’s Liberation Army (PLA) forces began flowing into North Vietnam in July 1965 to help defend Hanoi and its major transportation systems.[7]:217 The total number of Chinese troops in North Vietnam between June 1965 and March 1968 amounted to over 320,000.[1]:135 “The peak year was 1967 when 170,000 Chinese soldiers were present.”[1]:135 In the same year the PLA and People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) made an agreement under which the PLA provided the PAVN with 5,670 sets of uniforms, 5,670 pairs of shoes, 567 tons of rice, 20.7 tons of salt, 55.2 tons of meat, 20.7 tons of fish, 20.7 tons of sesame and peanuts, 20.7 tons of beans, 20.7 tons of lard, 6.9 tons of soy sauce, 20,7 tons of white sugar, 8,000 toothbrushes, 11,100 tubes of toothpaste, 35,300 bars of soap, and 109,000 cases of cigarettes.[1]:135In total, the agreement included 687 different items, covering such goods as table tennis balls, volleyballs, harmonicas, playing cards, pins, fountain pen ink, sewing needle, and vegetable seeds.[8]

Such allowed Hanoi to use its own manpower for participating in battles in the South and maintaining the transport and communication lines between the North and the South and played a role in deterring further American expansion of the war into the North.[3]:378–9

China's supply of weapons and other military equipment to Vietnam sharply increased in 1965 compared with 1964. The amount of China's military supply fluctuated between 1965 and 1968, although the total value of material supplies remained at roughly the same level. But then in 1969–70, a sharp drop occurred, at the same time that all China's troops were pulled back. Not until 1972 would there be another significant increase in China's military delivery to Vietnam.[3]:378 Another figure shows that “When the last Chinese troops withdrew from Vietnam in August 1973, 1,100 soldiers had lost their lives and 4,200 had been wounded.”[1]:135

In 1968, China’s strategic environment changed as Sino-Soviet relations took a decisive turn for the worse. When China was seeking rapprochement with America, “North Vietnam was still locked in a desperate struggle with the Americans,” which created serious implications for Sino-DRV relations.[1]:195 Plus the beginning of the cultural revolution in China, all things together triggered tension and conflict between Beijing and Hanoi leading to the end of China’s assistance.
 
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USSR supply did not come in in large amount in 1, 2, 3, 4th Korean campaign. Common sense will tell you this is the case.

USA general Matthew Ridgway was remembered for observing that Chinese action last for 7 days. Reason, Chinese are not able to supply themselves.

He exploit this logistic weakness to attack Chinese.

From this we know one thing. The Russian lorries and trucks did not arrive in time. Hence, most likely Russian arms did not come in large amount.

Especially 1, 2, 3rd Korean campaign are fought with small arms.

By the time in Battle of Triangle Hill (Battle of Shang Gan Ling ), we start seeing Chinese using more artillery against USA. Chinese are also well supplied. I concluded Russian arms arrived.
 
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Nice sugar coating to put China into one of the 12 countries, I guess it's just like saying US doesn't play a major role during the Korean war as they were among one of the countries that send troops to Korea.

Open your sorry eyes, looked at that political, military support to your party, loss of life, and huge numbers of supply provided by us even at the time when we were still dirt poor for a whole fking 20+ years!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War

During the First Indochina War[edit]
In the early 1950s, the Vietnamese Communists confronted formidable enemies and Ho Chi Minh avidly sought advice and weapons from China. The PRC began to send their advisors and later form the Chinese Military Advisory Group (CMAG) to assist the Viet Minh forces led by Wei Guoqing and Chen Geng. CMAG and Viet Minh began training for their first campaign. In September 1950, the Border Campaigns were launched.[2]:42 And between April and September 1950, China sent to the Viet Minh 14,000 rifles and pistols, 1,700 machine guns and recoilless rifles, 150 mortars, 60 artillery pieces and 300 bazookas, as well as ammunition, medicine, communications materials, clothes and 2,800 tons of food.[1]:20

In addition, a “political advisory group” was also sent from China to northern Vietnam in 1950, led by Luo Guibo.[1]:15 Luo went to Tonkin to “pass on China’s experience in financial and economic work, rectification of cadres’ ideology and working style, government work and mobilization of the masses.”[5] Between 1951 to 1954, the Chinese helped the Vietnamese in training their military commanders; reorganizing their defense and financial systems. They also helped the Vietnamese to mobilize the peasants to support war through land reform campaigns. Overall, there was a massive transfer of the Chinese experience of making a revolution to the Vietnamese.[1]:63

After the Geneva Conference[edit]
In the years following the conclusion of the 1954 Geneva Conference, China desired a peaceful international environment in order to focus on domestic reconstruction[1]:65 while Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV) faced two fundamental tasks: to reconstruct the north and to unify the south.

To rebuild the north, the CPV immediately got assistance from China after the Geneva Conference. To help the DRV “relieve famine, rebuild the transportation systems, revive agriculture, reconstruct the urban economy, and improve the armed forces,”[1]:69 Beijing agreed to provide rice, sent a team of economic advisers and experts to North Vietnam.[1]:70 In December 1954, China sent more than 2000 railroad workers to the DRV to repair railway lines, roads, and bridges.[1]:70 During Ho Chi Minh’s official visit to China in 1955, Beijing agreed to provide a grant of $200 million to be used to build various projects. After that, they also established a manpower exchange program.[1]:71 Between 1955 and 1957, in addition to assistance from China, the Soviet Union also played an important role in helping DRV reconstruct and develop its economy.

When the 15th Plenum of the VWP Central Committee in 1959 authorized the use of armed struggle in the south,[1]:82 Hanoi kept asking Beijing for military aid. Under these circumstances and in response to Hanoi's requests, China offered substantial military aid to Vietnam before 1963. According Chinese sources,[6] “during the 1956–63 period, China military aid to Vietnam totaled 320 million yuan. China's arms shipments to Vietnam included 270,000 guns, over 10,000 pieces of artillery, 200 million bullets of different types, 2.02 million artillery shells, 15,00 wire transmitters, 5,000 radio transmitters, over 1,000 trucks, 15 planes 28 naval vessels and 1.18 million sets of military uniforms."[3]:359 It was China’s aid to North Vietnam from 1955 to 1963 that effectively giving the North the resources needed to begin the insurgency in the South.[7]:215

Confronting U.S. escalation[edit]

The catalyst for the Vietnam War would be the controversial Gulf of Tonkin incident in August 1964. “To confront the increasing U.S. pressure in Indochina, Beijing stepped up its coordination with the Vietnamese and Laotian parties.”[1]:131

To counter these U.S. overwhelming air strikes, Ho requested Chinese Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) units in a meeting with Mao in May 1965. In response, People’s Liberation Army (PLA) forces began flowing into North Vietnam in July 1965 to help defend Hanoi and its major transportation systems.[7]:217 The total number of Chinese troops in North Vietnam between June 1965 and March 1968 amounted to over 320,000.[1]:135 “The peak year was 1967 when 170,000 Chinese soldiers were present.”[1]:135 In the same year the PLA and People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) made an agreement under which the PLA provided the PAVN with 5,670 sets of uniforms, 5,670 pairs of shoes, 567 tons of rice, 20.7 tons of salt, 55.2 tons of meat, 20.7 tons of fish, 20.7 tons of sesame and peanuts, 20.7 tons of beans, 20.7 tons of lard, 6.9 tons of soy sauce, 20,7 tons of white sugar, 8,000 toothbrushes, 11,100 tubes of toothpaste, 35,300 bars of soap, and 109,000 cases of cigarettes.[1]:135In total, the agreement included 687 different items, covering such goods as table tennis balls, volleyballs, harmonicas, playing cards, pins, fountain pen ink, sewing needle, and vegetable seeds.[8]

Such allowed Hanoi to use its own manpower for participating in battles in the South and maintaining the transport and communication lines between the North and the South and played a role in deterring further American expansion of the war into the North.[3]:378–9

China's supply of weapons and other military equipment to Vietnam sharply increased in 1965 compared with 1964. The amount of China's military supply fluctuated between 1965 and 1968, although the total value of material supplies remained at roughly the same level. But then in 1969–70, a sharp drop occurred, at the same time that all China's troops were pulled back. Not until 1972 would there be another significant increase in China's military delivery to Vietnam.[3]:378 Another figure shows that “When the last Chinese troops withdrew from Vietnam in August 1973, 1,100 soldiers had lost their lives and 4,200 had been wounded.”[1]:135

In 1968, China’s strategic environment changed as Sino-Soviet relations took a decisive turn for the worse. When China was seeking rapprochement with America, “North Vietnam was still locked in a desperate struggle with the Americans,” which created serious implications for Sino-DRV relations.[1]:195 Plus the beginning of the cultural revolution in China, all things together triggered tension and conflict between Beijing and Hanoi leading to the end of China’s assistance.
Nice support by China

I think we could retake Taiwan tomorrow for you if you provide us with all necessary weapons and assistance we need for the invasion.
 
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Nice support by China

I think we could retake Taiwan tomorrow for you if you provide us with all necessary weapons and assistance we need for the invasion.
Indeed, 20 billion dollars worth of aid which is probably worth 200 billion dollars as of today fed to some wonderful creature.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in...nion-recognize-democratic-republic-of-vietnam

The People’s Republic of China formally recognizes the communist Democratic Republic of Vietnam and agrees to furnish its military assistance; the Soviet union extended diplomatic recognition to Hanoi on January 30. China and the Soviet Union provided massive military and economic aid to North Vietnam, which enabled North Vietnam to fight first the French and then the Americans. Chinese aid to North Vietnam between 1950 and 1970 is estimated at $20 billion. It is thought that China provided approximately three-quarters of the total military aid given to Hanoi since 1949, with the Soviets providing most of the rest.
 
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The next question is why China is able to defeat USA in conventional warfare while everyone failed (Vietnam war was won in war of attrition, and fighting guerilla. Vietnam never won USA division vs division)

The reason is the skill set of PLA conventional unit is equivalent of special forces. And PLA has Japan Imperial army bravery.

In the era of machine gun, one rifle man can take down entire battalion. Many falsely concluded China won because of human wave warfare. This is wrong.

PLA is world number one fighting forces. This is main reason.

And PLA chief architect is Mao Zedong.

China is lucky to have world biggest genius Mao Zedong, not seen in thousand of years.

This is worth discussing and I will continue is a while.
 
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The next question is why China is able to defeat USA in conventional warfare while everyone failed (Vietnam war was won in war of attrition, and fighting guerilla. Vietnam never won USA division vs division)

The reason is the skill set of PLA conventional unit is equivalent of special forces. And PLA has Japan Imperial army bravery.

In the era of machine gun, one rifle man can take down entire battalion. Many falsely concluded China won because of human wave warfare. This is wrong.

PLA is world number one fighting forces. This is main reason.

And PLA chief architect is Mao Zedong.

China is lucky to have world biggest genius Mao Zedong, not seen in thousand of years.

This is worth discussing and I will continue is a while.
The scale of the war is more like Army corps instead of division.
 
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If watch the video carefully. You would find Chinese army charge tactic. We call it as 3-3 tactic. There are many small teams. Each team has 3 soliders. The flood charge shown in Korean movies is just absurd.
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Okay, but why still No Cnese can explain how could PLA shoot down US planes in Korean war when they only used guns and mortar ??:

Or PLA got some "magic" making US planes down instead of Soviet Mig 15 ??:crazy:
 
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The next question is why China is able to defeat USA in conventional warfare while everyone failed (Vietnam war was won in war of attrition, and fighting guerilla. Vietnam never won USA division vs division)

The reason is the skill set of PLA conventional unit is equivalent of special forces. And PLA has Japan Imperial army bravery.

In the era of machine gun, one rifle man can take down entire battalion. Many falsely concluded China won because of human wave warfare. This is wrong.

PLA is world number one fighting forces. This is main reason.

And PLA chief architect is Mao Zedong.

China is lucky to have world biggest genius Mao Zedong, not seen in thousand of years.

This is worth discussing and I will continue is a while.
Imagine sending in KMT troops in million, they would have collapsed and surrounded in a matter of weeks.
Heh, human wave.
 
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Indeed, 20 billion dollars worth of aid which is probably worth 200 billion dollars as of today fed to some wonderful creature.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in...nion-recognize-democratic-republic-of-vietnam

The People’s Republic of China formally recognizes the communist Democratic Republic of Vietnam and agrees to furnish its military assistance; the Soviet union extended diplomatic recognition to Hanoi on January 30. China and the Soviet Union provided massive military and economic aid to North Vietnam, which enabled North Vietnam to fight first the French and then the Americans. Chinese aid to North Vietnam between 1950 and 1970 is estimated at $20 billion. It is thought that China provided approximately three-quarters of the total military aid given to Hanoi since 1949, with the Soviets providing most of the rest.
I don’t know if your figure is true.
The Russians say they provide the most.

https://www.rbth.com/blogs/2015/04/30/vietnam_war_the_critical_role_of_russian_weapons_42917
 
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Looked at the above post and figured it out yourself.
Mao sent support to VN cos CN owed a huge debt from Soviet after civil war. We disscussed here already

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Did we owe CN anything ?? Did we ask help from Mao before asking help from Soviet ??

No, we asked help from Soviet, and Stalin sent Mao to support VN. Before WW2, we didnt even know who is Mao cos hes hiding himself too well inside unknow cave untill master Stalin told him to come out and defend North Korea for Soviet
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-...ies-against-china.660552/page-3#post-12217622
 
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