Chinese Foreign Affairs News & Discussions

[aimarraul]

There is a 4th option. Why always think in such confrontational tones?

4. Focus on internal poverty reduction while developing external friendly cooperation with all nations.

It is not a zero-sum game. Let's ASSUME it is a zero-sum game, in which conflict will only REDUCE the size of the pie ---> making it a NEGATIVE-SUM game! Contemplate on that.

the reality will easily crash your personal dream,the unilateral friendliness from china will only put us in a very dangerous position as long as the country like US or india propagate the "china threat" everyday,most indian was being educated under a "swear black is white" system when it comes to china,they consider china as “invader" for india's forward policy,they claimed there are over 1m PLA near the border in order to increase 60000 troops to protect a illegal McMahon line named by UK,they propagated a tibet separatist as a spiritual leader,anything different comes out when china is still friendly with them？they only consider you as"soft dragon" ,then keep doing the same thing ，that's the absurd theory westerners got after summing up their brutal history，it's sad to see 5000years old india really buy that .

It is not a zero-sum game,but china will become zero if we ignore those propaganda,they are already planning something since the first day "china threat" was brought up

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

the reality will easily crash your personal dream,the unilateral friendliness from china will only put us in a very dangerous position as long as the country like US or india propagate the "china threat" everyday,most indian was being educated under a "swear black is white" system when it comes to china,they consider china as “invader" for india's forward policy,they claimed there are over 1m PLA near the border in order to increase 60000 troops to protect a illegal McMahon line named by UK,they propagated a tibet separatist as a spiritual leader,anything different comes out when china is still friendly with them？they only consider you as"soft dragon" ,then keep doing the same thing ，that's the absurd theory westerners got after summing up their brutal history，it's sad to see 5000years old india really buy that .

It is not a zero-sum game,but china will become zero if we ignore those propaganda,they are already planning something since the first day "china threat" was brought up

You are correct, "unilateral friendliness" is not sufficient -- there must be BILATERAL RESPECT. In all honesty, you are most correct - everything you said is true. However, strategically we must understand the White Supremacists/Zionists implemented the "China Treat" propaganda. Whites despise the Hindus so much more than they fear us - and they do fear Chinese, but they also respect Chinese people.

Truth is China 'discovered' Europe way before Europe ever set foot outside of its tiny continent!

Chinese were among the first when Europeans were settling the new continent, we built railroads that permitted them to conquer the Natives. They see us a (1) smart, (2) extremely hard-working, (3) honest, and our women as (4) desirable. In fact there is so much intermarriage that any prospects of attacking China is an attack on their own spouse & children.

So here's where India comes in. I am very knowledgeable about Bharat's daily barrage of propaganda - even so, I don't see Indians or Hindus as our enemies. They are people too. Most of them suffer incredibly.

An Asian Century benefits everyone. Please understand the message I'm trying to convey.

 

[sensenreason]

There is a 4th option. Why always think in such confrontational tones?

4. Focus on internal poverty reduction while developing external friendly cooperation with all nations.

It is not a zero-sum game. Let's ASSUME it is a zero-sum game, in which conflict will only REDUCE the size of the pie ---> making it a NEGATIVE-SUM game! Contemplate on that.

I wish for a equally prosperous, peaceful and happy world with all people's living together happily. However, forget between countries it doesnt happen even within one's own families...

So while the 4th exists and is a utopia.I dont see it as a realistic option. For instance, Mughal & India of the 18th century was not a existential threat to the west but East India Company still imposed its will on us through deception and military superiority.

So maybe, peace lies in becoming strong (in all ways)...

Its a long response to a short comment...Im no war monger..just realistic that while we can shut our eyesand imagine an idealistic world but war is thrust on people's that do not make right strategic choices or become weak....and....poverty eradication can co-exist geo-strategic choices..infact might even be a basic necessity for it.

 

[RPK]

Beijing does a U-turn, praises India-China bond - China - World - NEWS - The Times of India

BEIJING: China on Wednesday signaled its desire to adopt a friendlier diplomatic approach towards India as compared to its somewhat aggressive
stance in the past weeks. Zhang Yan, the Chinese ambassador in New Delhi, has lent his name to a highly favorable editorial published by People’s Daily on Wednesday.

The Internet edition of the paper, which is the official organ of the Communist Party of China, said that Sino-Indian relations have advanced in an all-round way and with a fast pace in recent years. The tone and content of the article is almost the opposite of what was said in another piece two months back.

The paper and its sister publication, Global Times, published a aggressive article last June reprimanding India for "unwise military moves" of marshalling forces along the Arunchal Pradesh border. The article said India’s moves are "dangerous if it is based on a false anticipation that China will cave in".

It is not clear what prompted the editorial apart from the fact that the "greatest neighbors" are due to celebrate six decades of friendship next year. It talked about how India and China are jointly influencing global affairs by taking similar approach on issues concerning environmental protection, climate change, food and energy security and at the Doha round of trade talks.

Contrast these views with those expressed by the paper last June when it said:

"India has long held contradictory views on China. Another big Asian country, India is frustrated that China's rise has captured much of the world's attention. Proud of its "advanced political system," India feels superior to China. However, it faces a disappointing domestic situation which is unstable compared with China's".

The June article also said that "India likes to brag about its sustainable development, but worries that it is being left behind by China. China is seen in India as both a potential threat and a competitor to surpass."

The new article does an about turn saying: "China has become one of India's largest trade partners, and India is now one of the most vital investment and overseas project contracting markets for China". The article also talks about the 35 per cent year on year growth in bilateral trade between the two countries.

The People’s Daily said that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s successful, three-day visit to China in January last year has resulted in the signing of an agreement named "A Shared Vision for the 21st Century of China and India" in order to press ahead with the construction of a harmonious world for common prosperity.

Subsequent visits to China by Indian leaders Sonia Gandhi and Pranab Mukherjee and the India trip by Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi last year has resulted in a "sound momentum of sustained, smooth and steady growth has been shown in the relations between the two Asian neighbors".

"Looking ahead, people are confident that China and India, both nations with great ancient civilizations, which had contributed greatly to the world civilization and development, are sure to make new, fresh contributions to peace in Asia and the world at large while attaining their own development", it said.

 

[Gabbar]

“China will be one of our primary challenges”

NEW DELHI: The Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Sureesh Mehta, on Monday underscored the primacy of challenges posed by China as India draw its national security plans to keep pace with its rise to global prominence.

“It is quite evident that coping with China will certainly be one of our primary challenges in the years ahead. China is in the process of ‘consolidating’ its comprehensive national power and creating formidable military capabilities. Once that is done, China is likely to be more assertive on its claims, especially in its immediate neighbourhood,” Admiral Mehta said in his lecture “India’s national security challenges – an armed forces overview” organised by the National Maritime Foundation.

Admiral Mehta acknowledged that India’s trust-deficit with China could never be removed completely till the boundary issues are settled and flagged that Beijing’s propensity for intervention in space and cyber-warfare would also be major planning considerations in New Delhi’s strategic and operational thinking.

He said cooperation rather than competition or conflict with China was preferable since it would be “foolhardy” to compare India and China as equals in terms of economy, infrastructure and military spending.

‘India not on par with China’


The Navy Chief said both in convention and non-conventional terms military terms, India neither does have the capability nor the intention to match China force for force.

According to some American studies, China spends anywhere between $ 70 billion to $ 200 billion even though the official figure by Beijing is under $ 40 billion, he said.

A military conflict, he said, would have grave consequences on the economic front for both nations and therefore it would be in the interest of both the countries to cooperate with each other in mutually beneficial endeavours and ensure that the potential for conflict is minimised.

 

[Hunter911]

Future China India Relations

Geographical overview -
China and India are separated by the formidable geographical obstacles of the Tibetan Plateau and the Himalayan mountain chain, with Tibet serving as a buffer region between the two. China and India today share a border along the Himalayas and Nepal and Bhutan, two states lying along the Himalaya range, and acting as buffer states. In addition, Indian Kashmir province borders both the India and China.

Two territories are currently disputed between the China and India: Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh. Arunachal Pradesh is located near the far east of India, while Aksai Chin is located near the northwest corner of India. However, all sides in the dispute have agreed to respect the Line of Actual Control and this border dispute is not widely seen as a major flashpoint.

From 2000 –

With Indian President K. R. Narayanan's visit to China, 2000 marked a gradual re-engagement of Indian and Chinese diplomacy.
In 2002, Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji reciprocated by visiting India, with a focus on economic issues.
In 2003 ushered in a marked improvement in Sino-Indian relations following Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's landmark June 2003 visit to China. China officially recognized Indian sovereignty over Sikkim as the two nations moved toward resolving their border disputes.
In 2004 also witnessed a gradual improvement in the international area when the two countries proposed opening up the Nathula and Jelepla Passes in Sikkim which would be mutually beneficial to both countries. 2004 was a milestone in China-India bilateral trade, surpassing the $10 billion mark for the first time.
In April 2005, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao visited Bangalore to push for increased China-India cooperation in high-tech industries. In a speech, Wen stated "Cooperation is just like two pagodas (temples), one hardware and one software. Combined, we can take the leadership position in the world." Wen stated that the twenty-first century will be "the Asian century of the IT industry." The high-level visit was also expected to produce several agreements to deepen political, cultural and economic ties between the two nations. Regarding the issue of India gaining a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, on his visit, Wen Jiabao initially seemed to support the idea, but had returned to a neutral position on the subject by the time he returned to China.
In 2005 the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) Summit China was granted an observer status. While other countries in the region are ready to consider China for permanent membership in the SAARC, India seems reluctant.
A very important dimension of the evolving China-India relationship is based on the energy requirements of their industrial expansion and their readiness to proactively secure them by investing in the oilfields abroad - in Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia. On the one hand, these ventures entail competition (which has been evident in oil biddings for various international projects recently). But on the other hand, a degree of cooperation too is visible, as they are increasingly confronting bigger players in the global oil market. This cooperation was sealed in Beijing on January 12, 2006 during the visit of Petroleum and Natural Gas Minister Mani Shankar Aiyar, who signed an agreement which envisages ONGC Videsh Ltd (OVL) and the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) placing joint bids for promising projects elsewhere. This may have important consequences for their international relations.
On July 6, 2006, China and India re-opened Nathula, an ancient trade route which was part of the Silk Road. Nathula is a pass through the Himalayas.
Officials of both countries say that the re-opening of border trade will help ease the economic isolation of the region.
In May 2007, China denied the application for visa from an Indian Administrative Service officer in Arunachal Pradesh.
In December 2007, China appeared to have reversed its policy by granting a visa to Marpe Sora, an Arunachal born professor in computer science.
In January 2008, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visited China and met with President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao and had bilateral discussions related to trade, commerce, defense, military, and various other issues.
In July 2008, at the 34th G8 summit in Japan, Hu Jintao and Manmohan Singh had a friendly meeting.
In the wake of the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, India offered aid to help the earthquake victims.
In 2008 was a milestone in China India bilateral trade, surpassing the $37 billion.
China India bilateral trade expected to reach $60 billion in 2010.
In 2009 China Navy and India Navy joined in an Anti piracy navel mission in off Somalia waters.

Indians used to listen to all viewpoints. They May not concern the facts before the movement of Internet users in China, and now some of them visit all kinds of comments they feel a little bit surprised, and an Internet article alerted the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of India, for which the content of the article was so memorable .

Indians in its domestic and overseas, they excluded the Chinese people is an indisputable fact, which shows that their narrow-minded.
They refused to China's Huawei telecommunications network provider ect., and their training in a well-known software development companies in China, lived a life as the emperor. Our local government also introduced a variety of favorable conditions to support them. I don't know why .

 

[Hunter911]

Future China India Relations

Geographical overview -
China and India are separated by the formidable geographical obstacles of the Tibetan Plateau and the Himalayan mountain chain, with Tibet serving as a buffer region between the two. China and India today share a border along the Himalayas and Nepal and Bhutan, two states lying along the Himalaya range, and acting as buffer states. In addition, Indian Kashmir province borders both the India and China.

Two territories are currently disputed between the China and India: Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh. Arunachal Pradesh is located near the far east of India, while Aksai Chin is located near the northwest corner of India. However, all sides in the dispute have agreed to respect the Line of Actual Control and this border dispute is not widely seen as a major flashpoint.

From 2000 –

With Indian President K. R. Narayanan's visit to China, 2000 marked a gradual re-engagement of Indian and Chinese diplomacy.
In 2002, Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji reciprocated by visiting India, with a focus on economic issues.
In 2003 ushered in a marked improvement in Sino-Indian relations following Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's landmark June 2003 visit to China. China officially recognized Indian sovereignty over Sikkim as the two nations moved toward resolving their border disputes.
In 2004 also witnessed a gradual improvement in the international area when the two countries proposed opening up the Nathula and Jelepla Passes in Sikkim which would be mutually beneficial to both countries. 2004 was a milestone in China-India bilateral trade, surpassing the $10 billion mark for the first time.
In April 2005, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao visited Bangalore to push for increased China-India cooperation in high-tech industries. In a speech, Wen stated "Cooperation is just like two pagodas (temples), one hardware and one software. Combined, we can take the leadership position in the world." Wen stated that the twenty-first century will be "the Asian century of the IT industry." The high-level visit was also expected to produce several agreements to deepen political, cultural and economic ties between the two nations. Regarding the issue of India gaining a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, on his visit, Wen Jiabao initially seemed to support the idea, but had returned to a neutral position on the subject by the time he returned to China.
In 2005 the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) Summit China was granted an observer status. While other countries in the region are ready to consider China for permanent membership in the SAARC, India seems reluctant.
A very important dimension of the evolving China-India relationship is based on the energy requirements of their industrial expansion and their readiness to proactively secure them by investing in the oilfields abroad - in Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia. On the one hand, these ventures entail competition (which has been evident in oil biddings for various international projects recently). But on the other hand, a degree of cooperation too is visible, as they are increasingly confronting bigger players in the global oil market. This cooperation was sealed in Beijing on January 12, 2006 during the visit of Petroleum and Natural Gas Minister Mani Shankar Aiyar, who signed an agreement which envisages ONGC Videsh Ltd (OVL) and the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) placing joint bids for promising projects elsewhere. This may have important consequences for their international relations.
On July 6, 2006, China and India re-opened Nathula, an ancient trade route which was part of the Silk Road. Nathula is a pass through the Himalayas.
Officials of both countries say that the re-opening of border trade will help ease the economic isolation of the region.
In May 2007, China denied the application for visa from an Indian Administrative Service officer in Arunachal Pradesh.
In December 2007, China appeared to have reversed its policy by granting a visa to Marpe Sora, an Arunachal born professor in computer science.
In January 2008, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visited China and met with President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao and had bilateral discussions related to trade, commerce, defense, military, and various other issues.
In July 2008, at the 34th G8 summit in Japan, Hu Jintao and Manmohan Singh had a friendly meeting.
In the wake of the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, India offered aid to help the earthquake victims.
In 2008 was a milestone in China India bilateral trade, surpassing the $37 billion.
China India bilateral trade expected to reach $60 billion in 2010.
In 2009 China Navy and India Navy joined in an Anti piracy navel mission in off Somalia waters.

China should completely control the Siliguri corridor, and then think of ways to split India. The third time in India - Pakistan war, India has given Pakistan such a vicious means.

 

[Hunter911]

It's heard that the Indians are descendants of Aryans? Why do Indians look down on the yellow race? Is the Aryan legends are aliens and Indians are their descendants?

 

[Hunter911]

I wish for a equally prosperous, peaceful and happy world with all people's living together happily. However, forget between countries it doesnt happen even within one's own families...

So while the 4th exists and is a utopia.I dont see it as a realistic option. For instance, Mughal & India of the 18th century was not a existential threat to the west but East India Company still imposed its will on us through deception and military superiority.

So maybe, peace lies in becoming strong (in all ways)...

Its a long response to a short comment...Im no war monger..just realistic that while we can shut our eyesand imagine an idealistic world but war is thrust on people's that do not make right strategic choices or become weak....and....poverty eradication can co-exist geo-strategic choices..infact might even be a basic necessity for it.

OH,man.Your idea is that India and China continues to fight? Until you support Dalai to split the entire Tibet ?If you are able to defeat Chinese GUNG FU , just come again and maybe we can talk about your "expands policy. "

 

[arihant]

China should completely control the Siliguri corridor, and then think of ways to split India. The third time in India - Pakistan war, India has given Pakistan such a vicious means.

Ya, I was not sure that China has produce people like you. You will split and people of India and world will remain silent.

 

[WarProfessor]

The future relations? one word: difficult.

Everybody knows what's going on, it just has to be played out all by itself in nature.

A. China population is pretty much apathetic to all things Indian. However, there is the border issue doesn't seem to be able to go anywhere.
B. Chinese business wants Indian market. Indians are suspicious of Chinese and resist everything.
C. Chinese needs more secure access to ME and Africa to advance its economic interest, and Islamabad has been a staunch supporter of everything Beijing, Unfortunately, India is just out there by geography. Indians become more suspicious. However, I do believe Beijing overlooked Indians strategic security needs on this issue. However, India failed to acknowledge that there will never be strategic security for India against Beijing because China has Tibet, Chinese missiles and planes can always reach anywhere easily within northern India. If Indians never trust us, no matter what Indians do, what Chinese say, Indians can never feel secure, and this is a sad reality. We are willing to help, but we can't. Geography is geography.
D. By establishing trade route through Pakistan, Chinese hope it can also benefit Pakistan financially, and help to develop Pakistan faster. Pakistan trusts us, they never had a problem of China getting better, they know it's good for Pakistan as well when we get better. That's one of the reason for Gwadar port. However, everybody reads this as a military maneuver. It has certain military values, but I believe its more for financial gains for China, and also it would help Pakistan.
E. China is not happy that Pakistan feels in a constant threat from Indian military invasion. When Pakistan suffers, some how Chinese can feel the pain, its not politics or based on interests. That's why Pakistani leaders say our two countries relationship is unique. If Chinese foreign interest is hurt, usually we are pretty mad. If Islamabad is hurt, we can feel the pain. This is indeed a very special relationship.
F. Two many things are mis-read by both sides. The two people can't trust each other, and that's the root of all the `issues'. This fact is not going to change, as people on two sides can't mutate that fast and hope for a miracle. ;-) Chinese is simply doing stuff that is commensurate with its economic progress. And its activities inevitably have stoked pressure on the Sino-Indian relationship.
G. I didn't expect India's response is this tense, we started out naturally with Pakistan with no intention to hurt India, we believe we are doing something good for Pakistan, and also very good for China. Because of grandeur international politics involved in here, I personally feel Pakistan is sand-witched in between, sadly. This makes things more complex since last thing we want to do is to push our agenda and make Pakistan feel pressured. I don't know what's next.

To solve all this mess, India's attitude is the key. India can do a lot more to make the three countries peaceful and develop themselves, and benefit their people respectively. But for India to do anything, it is almost asking our friends in new Delhi to make a leap in faith, and I know it's not fair.

Difficult.

 

[Gabbar]

India eyes China’s climate technology​

Last week, an official Chinese think-tank surprised the world by estimating that with the right low-carbon technology China could control its carbon emissions to peak at 2030 and fall to 2005 levels or lower by 2050.

Now India wants to know how, and will nudge China for details. On Monday, a team led by Indian Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh will huddle in a three-hour meeting in Beijing to discuss climate change.

India and China are at the centre of global negotiations to finalise a successor to the Kyoto Protocol and get nations to agree to limit heat-trapping greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to global warming.
“The West is trying to play India and China against each other and trying to isolate India and China,’’ Ramesh told HT in Beijing ahead of the talks. “China is trying to collaborate with the US and so are we. The engagement is bilateral but negotiations are multilateral.’’

India will ask for details on China’s recent deal with the US for joint research on clean energy. “The emission gap between India and China is very large,’’ he said. “Even so, our positions have converged. This meeting is the PM’s way of signalling that we’re in the same boat.”

India aims to study how China is increasing its forest cover by over five times the annual rate in India. The two nations will sign a collaboration to exchange data and field visits on the shrinking Himalayan glaciers. Getting Chinese field data and access for glacier studies has been strategically difficult. The minister called it a ‘big breakthrough’.

 

[gogbot]

India eyes China’s climate technology​

Last week, an official Chinese think-tank surprised the world by estimating that with the right low-carbon technology China could control its carbon emissions to peak at 2030 and fall to 2005 levels or lower by 2050.

Now India wants to know how, and will nudge China for details. On Monday, a team led by Indian Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh will huddle in a three-hour meeting in Beijing to discuss climate change.

India and China are at the centre of global negotiations to finalise a successor to the Kyoto Protocol and get nations to agree to limit heat-trapping greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to global warming.
“The West is trying to play India and China against each other and trying to isolate India and China,’’ Ramesh told HT in Beijing ahead of the talks. “China is trying to collaborate with the US and so are we. The engagement is bilateral but negotiations are multilateral.’’

India will ask for details on China’s recent deal with the US for joint research on clean energy. “The emission gap between India and China is very large,’’ he said. “Even so, our positions have converged. This meeting is the PM’s way of signalling that we’re in the same boat.”

India aims to study how China is increasing its forest cover by over five times the annual rate in India. The two nations will sign a collaboration to exchange data and field visits on the shrinking Himalayan glaciers. Getting Chinese field data and access for glacier studies has been strategically difficult. The minister called it a ‘big breakthrough’.

Low carbon emission and carbon capture technology has been available since the late 80's. It's only the cost's involved and lack of government initiative in the area that's prevented wide spread use of this technology. The carbon economy is kicking of as people see the effects of climate change, And they are also realizing that this means a better atom economy in many industrial reactions.

Regardless of all this India does not need to eye anything, What ever technology is developed with regards to lowering carbon emissions, will no doubt be made readily available to the whole world.

And besides climate change is one thing where international collaboration is always on the rise

 

[gogbot]

The future relations? one word: difficult.

Everybody knows what's going on, it just has to be played out all by itself in nature.

A. China population is pretty much apathetic to all things Indian. However, there is the border issue doesn't seem to be able to go anywhere.
B. Chinese business wants Indian market. Indians are suspicious of Chinese and resist everything.
C. Chinese needs more secure access to ME and Africa to advance its economic interest, and Islamabad has been a staunch supporter of everything Beijing, Unfortunately, India is just out there by geography. Indians become more suspicious. However, I do believe Beijing overlooked Indians strategic security needs on this issue. However, India failed to acknowledge that there will never be strategic security for India against Beijing because China has Tibet, Chinese missiles and planes can always reach anywhere easily within northern India. If Indians never trust us, no matter what Indians do, what Chinese say, Indians can never feel secure, and this is a sad reality. We are willing to help, but we can't. Geography is geography.
D. By establishing trade route through Pakistan, Chinese hope it can also benefit Pakistan financially, and help to develop Pakistan faster. Pakistan trusts us, they never had a problem of China getting better, they know it's good for Pakistan as well when we get better. That's one of the reason for Gwadar port. However, everybody reads this as a military maneuver. It has certain military values, but I believe its more for financial gains for China, and also it would help Pakistan.
E. China is not happy that Pakistan feels in a constant threat from Indian military invasion. When Pakistan suffers, some how Chinese can feel the pain, its not politics or based on interests. That's why Pakistani leaders say our two countries relationship is unique. If Chinese foreign interest is hurt, usually we are pretty mad. If Islamabad is hurt, we can feel the pain. This is indeed a very special relationship.
F. Two many things are mis-read by both sides. The two people can't trust each other, and that's the root of all the `issues'. This fact is not going to change, as people on two sides can't mutate that fast and hope for a miracle. ;-) Chinese is simply doing stuff that is commensurate with its economic progress. And its activities inevitably have stoked pressure on the Sino-Indian relationship.
G. I didn't expect India's response is this tense, we started out naturally with Pakistan with no intention to hurt India, we believe we are doing something good for Pakistan, and also very good for China. Because of grandeur international politics involved in here, I personally feel Pakistan is sand-witched in between, sadly. This makes things more complex since last thing we want to do is to push our agenda and make Pakistan feel pressured. I don't know what's next.

To solve all this mess, India's attitude is the key. India can do a lot more to make the three countries peaceful and develop themselves, and benefit their people respectively. But for India to do anything, it is almost asking our friends in new Delhi to make a leap in faith, and I know it's not fair.

Difficult.

WarProfessor your speculative theory on India, China relations raises some very valid points

But i am afraid your view on the whole situation is very 1 dimensional.

You have not only limited your speculations to relations between only India, Pakistan and China. but also only to the south Asian theater. Thus making all your points inadequate to explain the true complexity of problems and challenges faced by our Aspiring nations.

The Pakistan issue with India is in all rights not an issue that should be China's problem, however Pakistan seems to think that China will fight its battles for it, this is not the case however. China will show its solidarity to its troubled ally with diplomatic or economic support but that's all, it will not be solving Pakistan's problems.To China's credit it has stayed out of the Kashmir affair, perhaps a sign that it still hopes that India and China can one day cooperate more readily than today.

To Pakistan, China's success are not necessarily yours. A +1 to China does not mean a +1 to Pakistan, and that's is something that most Pakistani's don't seem to want to believe. You should aspire more to develop your own nation and not stare at awe in the shadow of another.

The real problems between China And India is obviously the border issue. Both countries are to blame for this India in the 60's and China now in the present. Oblivious claiming India should have accepted Chairman Mao's concessions back in the 60's as a gesture of friendship. But in our arrogance, we let let pride cloud our judgments , and we all now how history was written.Mistakes were made , Yes But that was then what about now?

China has made the claim that the entire state of Archangel Pradesh
which is home to millions of Indian citizens that have lived there for generations. Now China is the one with the forward policy making demands that cant possibly be met or agreed to. India is willing to concede its claim in Aksai chin but china wants Arunachal PRadesh.

This is the Flash point to the hostility between both nations. But what is the fuel, well simply Its India's rapid growth that seems to possible mirror that of China's. Which unfortunately means That due to India and China's lack of cooperation in the present , both nations are most likely to be in direct competition with each other on the global stage in the near future over meeting energy need's, natural resources , and diplomatic influence.
If we can build a foundation of cooperation now then the future can be far more beneficial to both countries.

But you may ask why is China adopting this policy of not conceding its claim of Archanchel Pradesh. Simply its due to Geo-political. China has far more power and diplomatic influence now then India , and it wants to take advantage of it to widen the gap between India and China as much as possible, China's growth will need to bottom out as with any other economic cycle. and coincidentally this bottoming out is set to occur when India's growth will be reaching full speed, India has the potential to catch up to China at this time.

But why would China be concerned about this simply put the first century of the new millennium has a name it the "China century", And India has no place in it as a global power. China has been driven by one goal to be no 1, to revive the Middle Kingdom to all its glory, a noble task. that is being shouldered by the Chinese people. Things always don't go as planned India's rise was not expected by anyone not even the Indian's expected the progress we have made in the last 20 years. The sooner China can learn to share this century with little brother India. and change the "china century" to the "China-India century", The more positive the future China India relations will be.

P.S
I know some of my statements can also be considered 1 dimensional i don't have time to go into full detail , so any query u make on what i said, i am willing to clarify in more detail.
so plz don't flame about my comments before u give me a chance to clarify any discrepancies

 

[Halaku Khan]

Not a bad summary - but it leaves out the most important point as far as India is concerned.

Chinese supply of nuclear weapons and missile technology to Pakistan has enabled Pakistan to sustain a war of terrorism against India. Whenever innocent people are killed in India in terrorist attacks, Indians see the hand of China which enables Pakistan.

You can imagine what would be the situation if somebody supplied nuclear weapons to Uighurs, Taiwanese etc.

First step for China is to honestly acknowledge this negative conduct on its part and discuss constructively what can be done to remove weapons of mass destruction from states like Pakistan that are using them to sustain terrorism.

The future relations? one word: difficult.

Everybody knows what's going on, it just has to be played out all by itself in nature.

A. China population is pretty much apathetic to all things Indian. However, there is the border issue doesn't seem to be able to go anywhere.
B. Chinese business wants Indian market. Indians are suspicious of Chinese and resist everything.
C. Chinese needs more secure access to ME and Africa to advance its economic interest, and Islamabad has been a staunch supporter of everything Beijing, Unfortunately, India is just out there by geography. Indians become more suspicious. However, I do believe Beijing overlooked Indians strategic security needs on this issue. However, India failed to acknowledge that there will never be strategic security for India against Beijing because China has Tibet, Chinese missiles and planes can always reach anywhere easily within northern India. If Indians never trust us, no matter what Indians do, what Chinese say, Indians can never feel secure, and this is a sad reality. We are willing to help, but we can't. Geography is geography.
D. By establishing trade route through Pakistan, Chinese hope it can also benefit Pakistan financially, and help to develop Pakistan faster. Pakistan trusts us, they never had a problem of China getting better, they know it's good for Pakistan as well when we get better. That's one of the reason for Gwadar port. However, everybody reads this as a military maneuver. It has certain military values, but I believe its more for financial gains for China, and also it would help Pakistan.
E. China is not happy that Pakistan feels in a constant threat from Indian military invasion. When Pakistan suffers, some how Chinese can feel the pain, its not politics or based on interests. That's why Pakistani leaders say our two countries relationship is unique. If Chinese foreign interest is hurt, usually we are pretty mad. If Islamabad is hurt, we can feel the pain. This is indeed a very special relationship.
F. Two many things are mis-read by both sides. The two people can't trust each other, and that's the root of all the `issues'. This fact is not going to change, as people on two sides can't mutate that fast and hope for a miracle. ;-) Chinese is simply doing stuff that is commensurate with its economic progress. And its activities inevitably have stoked pressure on the Sino-Indian relationship.
G. I didn't expect India's response is this tense, we started out naturally with Pakistan with no intention to hurt India, we believe we are doing something good for Pakistan, and also very good for China. Because of grandeur international politics involved in here, I personally feel Pakistan is sand-witched in between, sadly. This makes things more complex since last thing we want to do is to push our agenda and make Pakistan feel pressured. I don't know what's next.

To solve all this mess, India's attitude is the key. India can do a lot more to make the three countries peaceful and develop themselves, and benefit their people respectively. But for India to do anything, it is almost asking our friends in new Delhi to make a leap in faith, and I know it's not fair.

Difficult.