Chinese Foreign Affairs News & Discussions

[Dalai Lama]

The current Indian government is ideologically incompatible with China, so it is in China's national interest to change that government while India is still much much weaker than China. The best way is through Pakistan once we build the railroad.

The two countries are so far apart in military power. China is building J-10, J-11B and soon J-10B. These are all better than the MKI in IAF. While China has the upper hand, it should reshape South Asia to be a more peaceful and harmonious environment for China and its allies.

1) That's a completely different topic, you need evidence to back up your claims. Don't post jingoistic comments like that on an unrelated thread.

2) What exactly do you mean by reshape. Quite ironic actually since Chine claims that it does not seek to be the police man yet your words seem to suggest otherwise. No wonder GoI considers China a threat.

 

[Dalai Lama]

India's military today is qualitatively no better than Iraq of 1991. India is just a lot bigger. On the other hand, China today technologically matches the USA of 1991!

A flurry of CJ-10, plus precision strikes on Indian air defense, plus bombing of Indian Army positions, plus close air support from Z-10A helicopters, plus much more advanced T-99A2 tank will all make Indian Army completely powerless to stop a drive on New Delhi by PLA.

You know what, I'm not going to argue with you. I'm going to let you keep your opinion and hope that GoC thinks like you too. After all it's better for us if you keep underestimating India.

 

[RajeHind]

this hung reminded me schinese, just ignore him.

 

[HongWu]

1) That's a completely different topic, you need evidence to back up your claims. Don't post jingoistic comments like that on an unrelated thread.

There is nothing jingoistic. China's advancements in all fields are reality. You have to understand that China is nothing like India. Chinese cities are more comparable to Tokyo than Mumbai. Look at Hong Kong for example. There are lots of Indians there.

Our progress is due to our hard work and smarts. Being upset about our progress is pointless and trying to get in our way is very dangerous for India.

2) What exactly do you mean by reshape. Quite ironic actually since Chine claims that it does not seek to be the police man yet your words seem to suggest otherwise. No wonder GoI considers China a threat.

India is a hostile country toward China. China has no choice now but to remove the hostile government. The 1.2 billion Indian people need a new government rather than the system they currently have. India needs a government that accepts Chinese influence in South Asia, and then the two civilizations can be at peace.

 

[HongWu]

You know what, I'm not going to argue with you. I'm going to let you keep your opinion and hope that GoC thinks like you too. After all it's better for us if you keep underestimating India.

The GoI has made a serious miscalculation by not accepting China's rise. It will continue to miscalculate by bringing heavy artillery to Tawang and deploying them on the front against China. Very soon after that, the Indians soldiers will be tempted to use those artillery guns and press their local numerical advantage.

I think Chinese government has understood that another 1962 is necessary at this point. Unfortunately, China showed weakness in the 1980's when India first made this place an Indian "state." But we are back now and both sides want a showdown.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Bombensturm

Your enquiry in an earlier post, §643, on whether or not Hindu nationalism will rise in case the present government collapses.

Very unlikely.

First, permit me to point out that the categories of Hindu nationalist, and the Sangh Parivar are far from identical. Many Hindus are nationalists, as well as liberal, secular, democrats, and they may not appreciate conflation with the Parivar. The Parival is a tightly-linked but loosely-managed alliance of social organisations and two political organisations, all but one of the political organisations being managed ideologically by the RSS. A Hindu nationalist might belong to one or the other of such groups, but again, might not.

I take it that you are referring to the Parivar, specifically, and in political terms to one or the other of the BJP and the Shiv Sena, or these two acting in combine.

The present government is paying the price for years of neglect of basics, for neglecting rampant and egregious corruption, for allowing scum like the DMK, known to concentrate only on enriching its ruling dynasty, like the NCP, which is dedicated to milking the aviation sector to the fullest, at the earliest, irrespective of the short-term and long-term damage to the sector, or like the Trinamool, where Mamta Mindless rampages endlessly in small, tight circles while the Railways mysteriously runs into itself, runs off its wheels and runs into elephants.

It hasn't been too clean itself; the nasties of 84 are still to be punished, twenty six years later, Suresh Kalmadi is still slouching around preceded ten minutes before by his belly, the CBI is clearly no longer anything but an instrument of bureaucratic malevolence, set loose on enemies of the regime, and held back when those reported and sought to be investigated turn out to be friends of the regime instead.

Our diplomacy under the fumbling Krishna is in the worst shape it has been since Gujral rolled his own, and our military are starved and neglected to the point that its its flag officers have taken to golf and to whatever it takes to keep the game of golf going. The IAS competes for maximising of corruption. The IA&AS are as hotly sought as before; it is well known that the pickings are richest here. The IPS is sadly approaching the status of uniformed hoods. This story of decline does not improve in the viewing with the equally sad thought that things are worse next door; that doesn't help.

So who walks in instead? Are we going to see a swing in the pendulum? Will the Sangh Parivar move back into power at the centre? I believe that is what you are asking.

That depends. The Sangh Parivar has understood, as Communist, or, for that matter, as totalitarian regimes everywhere have understood, that the ability to form the minds, opinions and attitudes of the ages from young children to young adults is of paramount importance. It recruits young, it embeds poisonous points of view into people, it has started moving into the media big-time, and, of course, the Parivar has a front organisation for every sub-set of society.

As a result, I believe that certain states may be deeply coloured; certain states swing in the balance, and are guided by various factors; and certain states have gone all out to achieve forward, progressive status.

Those states that are deeply coloured will probably stay BJP; this includes Gujarat and MP.

Those that are parti-coloured will swing away to them, or get deeper in their clutches, like HP, Karnataka, Orissa, Jharkhand and Bihar.

Finally, most of the rest will vote for modernity and progress, and good governance, more or less away from them, the extent depending on local alliances and local political conditions. This should include Rajasthan, West Bengal and Assam, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Manipur and Sikkim, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Kerala. Leaving probably Tripura to stay red.

My guess is a reduced majority for the UPA. Will it limp along as it is doing now? Probably worse; they will probably have less courage with which to stand up to an even more sordid bunch of allies than they have had so far.

Lots of assumptions here.

 

[aakash_2410]

Guys let's not get carried away please! This thread is about "FUTURE CHINA-INDIA RELAIONS"

And I think they will be not 'extremly friendly' nor 'threat' to each other? It would be healthy bilateral relaions as both country are growing pretty fast and both nations have coexisted in peace for millennia and NEVER went on full scale war with each other for almost 5000 years now[1965 was nehru's stupid mistake though it was just a conflict]!! Both are one of the oldest civilisation in the world and both are preety good in maths and science sectors!

As I've said many times, it's not china OR india!!

Future is all about china AND india!!

PEACE!!

 

[Lankan Ranger]

Chinese Foreign Affairs News & Discussions (Strictly)

China's foreign policy and strategic thinking is highly influential. China officially states it "unswervingly pursues an independent foreign policy of peace. The fundamental goals of this policy are to preserve China's independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity, create a favorable international environment for China's reform and opening up and modernization construction, maintain world peace and propel common development.

In recent years, China's leaders have been regular travelers to all parts of the globe, and it has sought a higher profile in the UN through its permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council and other multilateral organizations.

 

[JayAtl]

I presume you are inviting people to discuss Chinese foreign policy in here too and only in this dedicated thread?

If so- is that a meme? the world seems to think otherwise. See their policy on NK, Iran as the biggest case studies of foreign policy blunders, ticking off most all of the developed nations. Their nefarious resource for aid deals in Africa- and their posturing /threatening their neighbors borders. Their threatening of other nations over something as mute as the noble peace prize and making it now an international embarrassment. If you want a foreign policy discussion then these cannot be side stepped, IMO.

 

[gpit]

your personal opinions are noble, but when you have china slowing the worlds economic recovery through currency manipulation, hacking into other countries systems through state supported subversive efforts, you have china supporting the world's pariah nations, you have china disregarding climate change, you have china trying to bully smaller countries by enforcing ridiculous arbitrary borders, when you have china abetting terrorist sympathizers with nuclear and weapons technology- Then we say WHEN china learns to afford the rest of the world the same respect- the world will reciprocate.

Your brain is seriously twisted in a fanatic way. China slows down world economy? You got to be too hilarious! Unless you are cognitively handicapped, the fact is, China is now the engine of world economy. It is USA first, then the Europe second that slow the world economy.

Current manipulation? That is a more appropriate word for Japan who intervened current market recently, and for USA who initiated EQ2. China has pegged its Yuan with USD for more than a decade. Instead, it is US who forces China to manipulate the Yuan to dilute US debt.

Hack computer? Who didn't do that? Indians recently hacked into Chinese family planning website. I saw that by my own eyes.

India is the biggest pariah nation where kids died of poverty every year is unprecedented in human history. While China resolves all land dispute with every its neighbor except India, India resolves none of the land dispute with its neighbors. Since India arbitrarily imposes its boarder against its neighbor. In fact, Bharat politicians invented and then apply Kautalya doctrine that neighbors are all enemies.

Disregarding climate change? Then why you India following the disregarding foot steps of China?

In fact, India encroaches the boarders, in addition with China, with Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, all small countries around it.

About terrorism, India is a country that hosts the most amount of terrorist organizations in this world. In addition, communal violence is no longer news to the world...

India - Terrorist, insurgent and extremist groups

Assam


1. United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA)
2.
National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB)
3. United People's Democratic Solidarity (UPDS)
4. Kamtapur Liberation Organisation (KLO)
5. Bodo Liberation Tiger Force (BLTF)
6. Dima Halim Daogah (DHD)
7. Karbi National Volunteers (KNV)
8. Rabha National Security Force (RNSF)
9. Koch-Rajbongshi Liberation Organisation (KRLO)
10. Hmar People's Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)
11. Karbi People's Front (KPF)
12. Tiwa National Revolutionary Force (TNRF)
13. Bircha Commando Force (BCF)
14. Bengali Tiger Force (BTF)
15. Adivasi Security Force (ASF)
16. All Assam Adivasi Suraksha Samiti (AAASS)
17. Gorkha Tiger Force (GTF)
18. Barak Valley Youth Liberation Front (BVYLF)



19. Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam (MULTA)
20. United Liberation Front of Barak Valley
21. Muslim United Liberation Front of Assam (MULFA)
22. Muslim Security Council of Assam (MSCA)
23. United Liberation Militia of Assam (ULMA)
24. Islamic Liberation Army of Assam (ILAA)
25. Muslim Volunteer Force (MVF)
26. Muslim Liberation Army (MLA)
27. Muslim Security Force (MSF)
28. Islamic Sevak Sangh (ISS)
29. Islamic United Reformation Protest of India (IURPI)
30. United Muslim Liberation Front of Assam (UMLFA)
31. Revolutionary Muslim Commandos (RMC)
32. Muslim Tiger Force (MTF)
33. People’s United Liberation Front (PULF)
34. Adam Sena (AS)
35. Harkat-ul-Mujahideen
36. Harkat-ul-Jehad

Jammu & Kashmir

Terrorist Outfits

1. Lashkar-e-Omar (LeO)
2. Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM)
3. Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA, presently known as Harkat-ul Mujahideen)
4. Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT)
5. Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM)
6. Harkat-ul Mujahideen (HuM, previously known as Harkat-ul-Ansar)
7. Al Badr
8. Jamait-ul-Mujahideen (JuM)
9. Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ)
10. Harkat-ul-Jehad-i-Islami
11. Al Barq
12. Tehrik-ul-Mujahideen
13. Al Jehad
14. Jammu & Kashir National Liberation Army
15. People’s League
16. Muslim Janbaz Force
17. Kashmir Jehad Force
18. Al Jehad Force (combines Muslim Janbaz Force and Kashmir Jehad Force)
19. Al Umar Mujahideen
20. Mahaz-e-Azadi
21. Islami Jamaat-e-Tulba
22. Jammu & Kashmir Students Liberation Front
23. Ikhwan-ul-Mujahideen
24. Islamic Students League
25. Tehrik-e-Hurriat-e-Kashmir
26. Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqar Jafaria
27. Al Mustafa Liberation Fighters
28. Tehrik-e-Jehad-e-Islami
29. Muslim Mujahideen
30. Al Mujahid Force
31. Tehrik-e-Jehad
32. Islami Inquilabi Mahaz


Other Extremist and Secessionist Groups

1. Mutahida Jehad Council (MJC) -- A Pakistan based coordination body of terrorist outfits active in Jammu and Kashmir
2. Jammu & Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF)-- The dominant faction of this outfit declared a ceasefire in 1994 which still holds and the outfit restricts itself to a political struggle.
3. All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) -- an alliance engineered by Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) of 26 diverse political and socio-religious outfits amalgamated to provide a political face for the terrorists in the State.
4. Dukhtaran-e-Millat (DeM) -- an outfit run by women which uses community pressure to further the social norms dictated by Islamic fundamental groups.



Manipur


1. United National Liberation Front (UNLF)
2. People’s Liberation Army (PLA)
3. People’s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK)
The above mentioned three groups now operate from a unified platform, the Manipur People’s Liberation Front (MPLF)
4. Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP)
5. Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL)
6. Manipur Liberation Tiger Army (MLTA)
7. Iripak Kanba Lup (IKL)
8. People’s Republican Army (PRA)
9. Kangleipak Kanba Kanglup (KKK)
10. Kangleipak Liberation Organisation (KLO)
11. Revolutionary Joint Committee (RJC)
12. National Socialist Council of Nagaland -- Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)
13. People’s United Liberation Front (PULF)
14. North East Minority Front (NEMF)
15. Islamic National Front (INF)
16. Islamic Revolutionary Front (IRF)
17. United Islamic Liberation Army (UILA)
18. United Islamic Revolutionary Army (UIRA)



19. Kuki National Front (KNF)
20. Kuki National Army (KNA)
21. Kuki Revolutionary Army (KRA)
22. Kuki National Organisation (KNO)
23. Kuki Independent Army (KIA)
24. Kuki Defence Force (KDF)
25. Kuki International Force (KIF)
26. Kuki National Volunteers (KNV)
27. Kuki Liberation Front (KLF)
28. Kuki Security Force (KSF)
29. Kuki Liberation Army (KLA)
30. Kuki Revolutionary Front (KRF)
31. United Kuki Liberation Front (UKLF)
32. Hmar People’s Convention (HPC)
33. Hmar People's Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)
34. Hmar Revolutionary Front (HRF)
35. Zomi Revolutionary Army (ZRA)
36. Zomi Revolutionary Volunteers (ZRV)
37. Indigenous People's Revolutionary Alliance(IRPA)
38. Kom Rem People's Convention (KRPC)
39. Chin Kuki Revolutionary Front (CKRF)

Meghalaya


1. Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council (HNLC)
2. Achik National Volunteer Council (ANVC)



3. People’s Liberation Front of Meghalaya (PLF-M)
4. Hajong United Liberation Army (HULA)

Nagaland


1. National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Isak-Muivah) – NSCN(IM)
2. National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) – NSCN (K)



3. Naga National Council (Adino) – NNC (Adino)

Punjab

1. Babbar Khalsa International (BKI)
2. Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF)
3. International Sikh Youth Federation (ISYF)
4. Khalistan Commando Force (KCF)
5. All-India Sikh Students Federation (AISSF)
6. Bhindrawala Tigers Force of Khalistan (BTFK)
7. Khalistan Liberation Army (KLA)
8. Khalistan Liberation Front (KLF)
9. Khalistan Armed Force (KAF)
10. Dashmesh Regiment
11. Khalistan Liberation Organisation (KLO)
12. Khalistan National Army (KNA)



Tripura


1. National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)
2. All Tripura Tiger Force (ATTF)
3. Tripura Liberation Organisation Front (TLOF)
4. United Bengali Liberation Front (UBLF)
5. Tripura Tribal Volunteer Force (TTVF)
6. Tripura Armed Tribal Commando Force (TATCF)
7. Tripura Tribal Democratic Force (TTDF)
8. Tripura Tribal Youth Force (TTYF)
9. Tripura Liberation Force (TLF)
10. Tripura Defence Force (TDF)
11. All Tripura Volunteer Force (ATVF)
12. Tribal Commando Force (TCF)
13. Tripura Tribal Youth Force (TTYF)
14. All Tripura Bharat Suraksha Force (ATBSF)
15. Tripura Tribal Action Committee Force (TTACF)



16. Socialist Democratic Front of Tripura (SDFT)
17. All Tripura National Force (ATNF)
18. Tripura Tribal Sengkrak Force (TTSF)
19. Tiger Commando Force (TCF)
20. Tripura Mukti Police (TMP)
21. Tripura Rajya Raksha Bahini (TRRB)
22. Tripura State Volunteers (TSV)
23. Tripura National Democratic Tribal Force (TNDTF)
24. National Militia of Tripura (NMT)
25. All Tripura Bengali Regiment (ATBR)
26. Bangla Mukti Sena (BMS)
27. All Tripura Liberation Organisation (ATLO)
28. Tripura National Army (TNA)
29. Tripura State Volunteers (TSV)
30. Borok National Council of Tripura (BNCT)

Mizoram

1. Bru National Liberation Front
2. Hmar People's Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)


Arunachal Pradesh

1. Arunachal Dragon Force (ADF)



Left-wing Extremist groups


1. Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist)
2. People's War Group
3. Maoist Communist Centre
4. People's Guerrilla Army
5. Communist Party of India-Marxist Leninist-Janashakti(CPI-ML-Janashakti)
6. Tritiya Prastuti Committee (TPC)


Other Extremist Groups

1. Tamil National Retrieval Troops (TNRT)
2. Akhil Bharat Nepali Ekta Samaj (ABNES)
3. Tamil Nadu Liberation Army (TNLA)
4. Deendar Anjuman
5. Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI)
6. Asif Reza Commando Force
7. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
8. Kamatapur Liberation Organisation (KLO)
9. Ranvir Sena

India - Terrorists Groups

 

[para-site]

@gpit

little knowledge is always harmful........why dont u reply those allegations first before making counter allegations.....

 

[para-site]

I did not want to post this here but here u go-->

Liu on his wife: Your love will be as always:  

"Ask me what has been my most fortunate experience of the past two decades, and I'd say it was gaining the selfless love of my wife, Liu Xia. She cannot be present in the courtroom today, but I still want to tell you, my sweetheart, that I'm confident that your love for me will be as always.
"Over the years, in my non-free life, our love has contained bitterness imposed by the external environment, but is boundless in afterthought. I am sentenced to a visible prison while you are waiting in an invisible one.
"Your love is sunlight that transcends prison walls and bars, stroking every inch of my skin, warming my every cell, letting me maintain my inner calm, magnanimous and bright, so that every minute in prison is full of meaning.
"But my love for you is full of guilt and regret, sometimes heavy enough to hobble my steps. I am a hard stone in the wilderness, putting up with the pummeling of raging storms, and too cold for anyone to dare touch. But my love is hard, sharp, and can penetrate any obstacles. Even if I am crushed into powder, I will embrace you with the ashes."

Liv Ullman's voice breaks reading out the part of Liu Xiaobo's speech on his wife. He continues...
Given your love, my sweetheart, I would face my forthcoming trial calmly, with no regrets about my choice and looking forward to tomorrow optimistically.
I look forward to my country being a land of free expression, where all citizens' speeches are treated the same; where different values, ideas, beliefs, political views ... both compete with each other and coexist peacefully; where, majority and minority opinions will be given equal guarantees, in particular, political views different from those in power will be fully respected and protected;
"where all political views will be spread in the sunlight for the people to choose; [where] all citizens will be able to express their political views without fear, and will never be politically persecuted for voicing dissent.

 

[JayAtl]

@gpit

little knowledge is always harmful........why dont u reply those allegations first before making counter allegations.....

his post is void of so many truths that it becomes an exercise of futility to explain to this Chinese immigrant in the US. Take for example , his country China( he aint no US citizen- he lives off our scarps), just as recent as 40 yrs ago had 30 million people die of starvation.

Chinese love to quote media sources but block any internal studies and news of equal worth in their country. They have the same mentality and infamous bigotry in the US when they get tongue tied.

 

[peaceful]

I presume you are inviting people to discuss Chinese foreign policy in here too and only in this dedicated thread?

If so- is that a meme? the world seems to think otherwise. See their policy on NK, Iran as the biggest case studies of foreign policy blunders, ticking off most all of the developed nations. Their nefarious resource for aid deals in Africa- and their posturing /threatening their neighbors borders. Their threatening of other nations over something as mute as the noble peace prize and making it now an international embarrassment. If you want a foreign policy discussion then these cannot be side stepped, IMO.

if you like, I can help to report some interesting india news on your fancy india defense forum, starting from:

Kashmir teacher arrested over 'anti-India' exam

 

[para-site]

his post is void of so many truths that it becomes an exercise of futility to explain to this Chinese immigrant in the US. Take for example , his country China( he aint no US citizen- he lives off our scarps), just as recent as 40 yrs ago had 30 million people die of starvation.

Chinese love to quote media sources but block any internal studies and news of equal worth in their country. They have the same mentality and infamous bigotry in the US when they get tongue tied.

Little things amuses small minds eehhh.....I guess he is overdoing himself.....

but hey I like elephant because they have a good momentum.......