Chinese Flanker Family: J-11, J-16 ... Su-27SK/UBK, Su-30MKK

[WarFariX]

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From the CG master Gaoshan, SU-35

is this j11d ? @Deino

 

[Ultima Thule]

is this j11d ? @Deino

No sir, i think its Su-35 look at the missiles @Deino can you confirm that this is either J-11D or Su-35

 

[lcloo]

is this j11d ? @Deino

It is SU-35, but it is a CG (computer graphic). The creator of this CG is highly regarded as his past CG creations are quite accurate.

 

[Deino]

Via SDF/

The latest rumor is that new J-11B airframes are now retrofitted with an AESA radar.

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Another major rumor/speculation is that the PLAAF may purchase up to 96 (three squadrons' worth) Su-35SK aircraft, mainly due to the uncertainty as to when the J-11D will enter service. Analysts estimate that J-11D induction might not occur until 2018 at the very earliest and that the PLAAF needs to have the numbers gap filled quickly.

It's also mentioned that the J-11D would be delegated more to the air-to-air role, since the J-16 serves as an interdiction fighter, whereas the Su-35 would be more multi-role in its usage. It's also interesting to note that it's generally expected for the Su-35 to have an advantage in kinematics and for the J-11D to hold the edge in avionics.

reportedly via weibo.com/1894445180/EyPHIxhd5 ... even if I don't get a certain weibo-account !!??


Anyway IMO this would fit nicely together: The J-11D would result in a de facto sort of MLU-project for the J-11B. By replacing their avionics build around an AESA and adding maybe uprated engines, would give then enough lease of life for the next decade(s) to come.
Also additional Su-35 - even if surely some Chinese fan-boys won't like that - would immediately add a value addition in the short term modernisation.

Would only be interesting to see if these modified J-11B will also have that canted radome?

Deino

 

[WarFariX]

Via SDF/



reportedly via weibo.com/1894445180/EyPHIxhd5 ... even if I don't get a certain weibo-account !!??


Anyway IMO this would fit nicely together: The J-11D would result in a de facto sort of MLU-project for the J-11B. By replacing their avionics build around an AESA and adding maybe uprated engines, would give then enough lease of life for the next decade(s) to come.
Also additional Su-35 - even if surely some Chinese fan-boys won't like that - would immediately add a value addition in the short term modernisation.

Would only be interesting to see if these modified J-11B will also have that canted radome?

Deino

the hell :-( ....J-11d offers a different and less rcs airframe design better than any j-flanker ...i think china was forced to cancel the project..

 

[Deino]

the hell :-( ....J-11d offers a different and less rcs airframe design better than any j-flanker ...i think china was forced to cancel the project..

Following the latest info by pupu - even if at all much confusing to me - the J-11D is not cancelled but delayed.

Here the full original post:

中国可能扩大采购苏-35战机，国产歼-11D战机前景不明

而且最近还出现了新出厂的歼-11B小改款黄皮机。
近日，有外国网友在国外大型社交网站上传了一张图片，显示一群俄罗斯工程人员在1架疑似中国购买的苏-35战斗机前合影。该网友还援引俄罗斯飞机制造公司消息称，这些俄方工程人员是厂家派往中国对苏-35战斗机进行售后维护和服务的团队成员。

在此之前，俄罗斯塔斯社也报道称，俄方继去年12月底首次向中国交付4架苏-35战斗机后，将于今年和明年再各交付10架。也就是说，中国首批采购的全部24架苏-35战斗机会于明年交付完毕。

尽管不少人对我国在国产隐身第四代战斗机歼-20已陆续试装部队的情况下，是否应继续引进3.75代战斗机苏-35持完全否定态度，近期来自俄罗斯权威媒体、国内知名军事自媒体的消息却显示，中国很可能不但会继续引进苏-35，而且引进的总体规模还不会小。

中国空军加速淘汰二代和早期三代战机
随着我国军改进入“脖子以下”改革攻坚年，空军部队编制改革和调整也开始有实质性动作。歼-7战斗机团、强五强击机团等二代机团数量将会大幅度压缩。预计包括歼-7、歼-8、强五等在内的二代战机可能于2020年后，最迟2025年全部退出现役；20多年前引进的苏-27SK/UBK战机开始陆续退役；歼-10A/B、歼-11B（旧款）等早期三代战机已停产，JH-7A战斗轰炸机也处于极其低速的生产状态。

目前我国主要生产3.5代及以上战机，包括歼-10C/D、歼-11D（试飞阶段）、歼-16、歼-16D（试飞阶段）、歼-20（试装阶段）等。仍在继续低速生产的三代机除了前面提及的JH-7A，还有歼-10S（双座战斗教练机）、歼-11B新款（推测升级了雷达等设备）、歼-11BS（双座战斗教练机）、歼-15（舰载战斗机）等。

作战任务决定装备需求。面对我国周边国家装备的越来越的F-35等四代战机，我国空军现有大量二代、早期三代战机越来越派不上用场，必须加速构建以四代机为骨干，三代以上战机为主体的作战装备体系。因此，出现前述战机生产状况的变化是意料中事。

对应这一装备体系可以看出，歼-10C/D战机很好的填补了我国中型3.5代战机的空白；歼-20战机是四代机目前的不二选择；歼-16战机则将全面替换JH-7A、苏-30、强五等战术攻击机。只是在重型3.5代战机这一块，国产战机还没有能顶上的型号，与之对应的歼-11D战机仍处于原型机试飞阶段。

所以，在引进苏-35战机前出现的“坚决反对引进论”，引进后出现的“不再引进论”，并不符合我国空军装备发展需求的实际，也是对我军未来面对的空战压力的忽视。须知F-35战机将批量出现在日本、韩国，甚至亚太更多国家已是必然。而且无论某些专家或业内人士如何贬低，F-35作为一款典型四代战机，对四代以下战机的压倒性优势都是不争的事实。

在加速歼-20战机试用试装，尽早开始批量装备部队，主要用以应对F-35、F-22等别国四代战机的同时，中国空中力量必须有足够的3.5代战机压制别国四代以下战机，以使得歼-20战机可以心无旁骛的全力对“敌”。

苏-35战机须形成规模以发挥更大作战效能
中国于去年确定进口24架苏-35战机后，我国军工自主研发的歼-11D战机也消息不断。先后有该型机的01、02号原型机曝光，更有网友于四川某地机场拍到推测是驻扎当地进行高原试飞的歼-11D、歼-16D（电战型）“双D”战机。

然而，从那时算起，即使一切顺利的话，歼-11D战机完成厂家试飞，进入空军试飞部队试装、编写训练大纲和教材至少还需两年，也就是要到明后年。预计在全部24架苏-35战机交付中国空军后，歼-11D战机最好的进度应该是处于小批量试装阶段。

如此一来，当歼-11D战机状态达到批量列装状态时，就与已是空军正式装备的苏-35战机有了约两年的时间差。面对复杂多变、压力渐增的我国周边环境，空军是否会忽略这一时间差？

按照”能打仗、打胜仗“，一切从实战出发的要求，空军显然不会在主战装备建设上”等靠“。所以，继续引进更多苏-35战机成为现实的，也是可行的办法。

回顾中国于上世纪90年代初开始的引进苏-27系列战机的历程，仅有一型装备海军航空兵的苏-30MK2只引进了1个团24架的数量，其他战机引进数量都在76架以上。苏-30MK2仅引进24架也是因为中方使用后发现，对于最急需的精确对海攻击能力，该型机在弹种丰富程度上甚至不及国产JH-7A战斗轰炸机。当然，该型机因其双座双发、作战半径大、可发射中距拦射导弹的特点，仍被海军当做远程制空战斗机使用。

因此，从规模效应的角度来说，中国未来继续引进两至三个团数量的苏-35战机，是很有可能的事情。届时，最多可达96架的苏-35战斗机可分别在我国南部、东部战区形成两大3.5代重型战机突击群。这两大突击群配合歼-20战机，无论是应对从南面袭来的美海军战机，还是面对东面的日本空自战机，都可以底气充足的一较高下。

歼-11D与苏-35相比各有优劣，但在时间上不占优势
歼-11D战机的优势在于：机载有源相控阵火控雷达（AESA）应该优于苏-35战机的无源相控阵雷达，而且改进升级潜力更大；配套的中距拦射导弹、近距格斗导弹等国产弹药性能也优于苏-35配套弹药。其与苏-35一样应用了数字电传飞控系统，但两者性能是否一致，或是各有优劣，目前尚不得而知。

苏-35战机的优势在于：机身结构经过重大优化设计；机体寿命大大延长；机动性更出色；发动机更给力；内油量更大，因此航程和作战半径也更大；有效载荷更大，能携带的武器弹药也更多。此外，虽然原配俄制精确制导弹药相比中国国产同类弹药并无优势，但苏-35确实是一款“双重任务战斗机”，任务延展性更强。相比较而言，歼-11D战机因为有了歼-16战机的存在，定位更偏向于较纯粹的3.5代空优战斗机。

歼-11D战机原本最大的优势在于是国货，其采购仅受限于产能，不像苏-35战机的引进那样，还要考虑很多采购以外的因素。然后，目前歼-11D战机的研发进度仍不明朗，迟迟未有厂家定型，转入部队试飞试用的消息传出。

服役时间未定这一点大大抵消了歼-11D战机的国货优势。在歼-10C批量装备部队，歼-10D研发顺利的当前，中国空军更加渴望尽早大批量装备同属3.5代的双发重型战斗机，以适应越来越多的远空、远海作战和训练需求。

在歼-16这款3.5代双重任务战斗机日趋成熟，装备部队的数量也较快增长之时，中国空军对新型战术攻击机的需求得到初步满足。剩下的新型重型战机需求，就被可以相对容易得到的苏-35战机填补了。所以，继续引进、引进更多的苏-35战斗机，已成中国空军于主客观因素影响下很可能做出的抉择。

如此一来，歼-11D作为在中国空军当前和未来作战体系中与苏-35定位基本重合的战斗机，就算能于两年内快速定型，并转入批量生产，空军留给它的装备“配额”恐怕也不会多了。

最后，还有一个新动向值得关注。早已停产的歼-11B战机近来很可能已恢复生产。新生产的该型机据推测为小改款，可能换装了有源相控阵雷达（AESA），加装了空中加油受油管，甚至也可能换装了全数字电传飞控系统。

 

[cirr]

J-16s

 

[Akasa]

J-16s

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Any news regarding the J-11D?

 

[yusheng]

 

[帅的一匹]

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Su35 cockpit?

 

[Deino]

J-16s

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Ohhh what would I give to know what operation unit they will be assigned to.

 

[cirr]

Ohhh what would I give to know what operation unit they will be assigned to.

Over 10 birds were at the site going by the words of the person who took the pic.

 

[Deino]

Over 10 birds were at the site going by the words of the person who took the pic.

Oouuuuuhhhh ... even more a reason to know where they will be assigned to.

 

[Akasa]

There are fresh rumors that the J-11D program has been halted, in light of resumed J-11B production and the PLAAF's satisfaction with the Su-35 (up to 96 may be ordered). Don't know how credible this is.

@星海军事 Any thoughts?

http://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404089946561486710

http://mini.eastday.com/a/170323195111809.html#0-tsina-1-45165-397232819ff9a47a7b7e80a40613cfe1

https://twitter.com/x/status/845837647490691072

 

[Deino]

... in light of resumed J-11B production ...

Has this been confirmed ???