Chinese Flanker Family: J-11, J-16 ... Su-27SK/UBK, Su-30MKK

[Beast]

Is this the J-11B from the latest PLAAF open house? The new Taihang seems to rid of the inner ring. Same inner appearance like AL-31 engine.

 

[Deino]

Is this the J-11B from the latest PLAAF open house? The new Taihang seems to rid of the inner ring. Same inner appearance like AL-31 engine.

Hmmm, IMO exactly the same as before ...

... and here an older one:

 

[Beast]

Hmmm, IMO exactly the same as before ... View attachment 332516

... and here an older one:
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Quoting an old photo doesn't help. Latest taihang engine has rid of the inner ring as show in the latest photo of J-11B. They are borrowing some design from AL-31. So showing some old photo is irrelevant to prove any point.

Old WS-10 engine inner ring is very obvious and can be spotted in many angles even with after burner. But new taihang engine is different.

 

[Deino]

Quoting an old photo doesn't help. Latest taihang engine has rid of the inner ring as show in the latest photo of J-11B. They are borrowing some design from AL-31. So showing some old photo is irrelevant to prove any point.

Old WS-10 engine inner ring is very obvious and can be spotted in many angles even with after burner. But new taihang engine is different.

Why does quoting old images in comparison to new ones not help ??
You said the new ones are different and I posted new ones from the latest display in comparison to older images and at least IMO they are the same. So where is this so much visible difference that is not visible in a comparison ?

Even more, why should they add certain features of the AL-31 in the latest WS-10-versions if 1. the WS-10 is so much superior and the AL-31 older and dated ? It does not make sense ...

Or can You please show this missing inner ring?

Thanks in advance,
Deino

 

[Beast]

Why does quoting old images in comparison to new ones not help ??
You said the new ones are different and I posted new ones from the latest display in comparison to older images and at least IMO they are the same. So where is this so much visible difference that is not visible in a comparison ?

Even more, why should they add certain features of the AL-31 in the latest WS-10-versions if 1. the WS-10 is so much superior and the AL-31 older and dated ? It does not make sense ...

Or can You please show this missing inner ring?

Thanks in advance,
Deino

WS-10B is superior in terms of metallurgy. If the petal can withstand few thousands of high degrees heat and work many thousands hours without break down. It is already a winner as thrust will definitely increase.

 

[Deino]

WS-10B is superior in terms of metallurgy. If the petal can withstand few thousands of high degrees heat and work many thousands hours without break down. It is already a winner as thrust will definitely increase.

That was not the question You mentioned the new Taihang got rid of an internal ring or structure (clearly visible from outside) more akin to the AL-31 and not an internal, metallurgical issue.

And even more, why should they incorporate features of the AL-31 ?

Deino

 

[Deino]

Can anyone explain this post please ... ??

http://www.weibo.com/u/5202991931?r...=feed&loc=nickname&is_all=1#_rnd1473505701326

I just labelled it J-11D even if they are discussing it as J-16s or J-11D s... IMO however it can't be a J-, since the twin seater with the taller tails features a "green" tail, whereas his one clearly has a yellow one found on the fighter-versions.

So are these two J-11Ds maybe?

 

[cirr]

Can anyone explain this post please ... ??

http://www.weibo.com/u/5202991931?r...=feed&loc=nickname&is_all=1#_rnd1473505701326

I just labelled it J-11D even if they are discussing it as J-16s or J-11D s... IMO however it can't be a J-, since the twin seater with the taller tails features a "green" tail, whereas his one clearly has a yellow one found on the fighter-versions.

So are these two J-11Ds maybe?

View attachment 333162

J-16 and J-11D

 

[Deino]

J-16 and J-11D

Indeed, the one behind is clearly a twin-seater .... but any info on where they are ?

By the way another interesting item I noted: There's a small formation light on the tail that can be seen on both aircraft #11D1 & #11D2 ... but on the latest aircraft spotted on 19. July it is missing.

 

[Deino]

Here a bit better ...

 

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[grey boy 2]

J-11BS

 

[grey boy 2]

J-11BS

 

[grey boy 2]

J-11BS

 

[Deino]

Here a bit better ...

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And two more ...