Chinese Flanker Family: J-11, J-16 ... Su-27SK/UBK, Su-30MKK

[Deino]

For better commercialisation of their products.

May I ask, what are they commercialising and how this is related to the J-16?

 

[Haris Ali2140]

May I ask, what are they commercialising and how this is related to the J-16?

I am talking about PAC/PAF and JF-17. They can make a similar video.

 

[kungfugymnast]

This alone is plain wrong since the J-11B was not later upgraded to the WS-10, it was to feature this engine from the beginning.

However when production of the batch 01 was underway - in fact all assigned kater to the now 1st Air Brigade at Anshan - the Taihang prooved to be troubled and sk it was decided to use the AL-31F instead as in all J-11A fighters. Only from Batch 02 these issues were solved and since then no PLAAF Flanker ever was built with the Russian engine.

I agree with you as I see most J11B fitted with Russian engines from the start and present due to WS10 was not perfected and not ready until later. Fans love to see WS10 in J11B as standard engine but only to replace the really worn out Russian AL31F or for testing purpose. Reason being the new WS10 engines supplies focus on fitting newer fighters instead, the same goes to AESA radars. Better to build more new fighters fitted with new AESA and WS10 rather than upgrading old fighters that would serve another 10 years, better keep the old fighters maintained and use up all available parts until phase out.

@LKJ86
Deino answer is the same as mine. Explanation given above.

 

[Deino]

I agree with you as I see most J11B fitted with Russian engines from the start and present due to WS10 was not perfected and not ready until later. Fans love to see WS10 in J11B as standard engine but only to replace the really worn out Russian AL31F or for testing purpose. Reason being the new WS10 engines supplies focus on fitting newer fighters instead, the same goes to AESA radars. Better to build more new fighters fitted with new AESA and WS10 rather than upgrading old fighters that would serve another 10 years, better keep the old fighters maintained and use up all available parts until phase out.

@LKJ86
Deino answer is the same as mine. Explanation given above.

Pardon, and even if I agree with you, but that's partially wrong: Not most of the J-11Bs are using the Russian engine, but only those from Batch 01 (IMO about 24 aircraft): All others from Batch 02 to Batch 07 and all J-11BS and J-16s are using already the WS-10 from day one. But you are correct, it would be great, if all J-11As might be reengined.

 

[LKJ86]

I see most J11B fitted with Russian engines from the start

Maybe you mistake J-11A/Su-27SK and Su-27UBK for J-11B and J-11BS.

 

[bahadur999]

Chinese military aircraft to receive new stealth coatings
By Liu Xuanzun Source: Globaltimes.cn Published: 2020/3/16 0:54:57

A J-16 fighter jet attached to an aviation brigade of the air force under the PLA Western Theater Command sits on the parking apron while receiving power-on inspections prior to a flight training exercise in southwestern China's Chongqing Municipality on March 6, 2018. Photo: eng.chinamil.com.cn


The Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force recently issued a new regulation ordering future aircraft to be painted with low observable coatings and standardized markings, a move aimed at giving Chinese warplanes a combat advantage as they will less likely be detected by both the naked eye and military radar.

The regulation mandates all new warplanes should have low observable coatings and markings, and in-service warplanes should also have standardized markings, including those of the national flag, Chinese Air Force insignia, and the Red Cross, the PLA Daily reported on Friday.

It is a combat requirement and development trend that military aircraft have low observable paintings to reduce visible detection, which also indicate combat capabilities, according to the regulation.

Paintings and markings can help protect an aircraft from corrosions and allow others to identify an aircraft's country of origin. Using similar sky colors, usually gray, light blue, and silver, also makes human eye detection difficult for the enemy, analysts said.

It was under this way of thinking that countries, including the US, developed low observable coatings and markings that would help planes blend into their environment, which has been proven to be useful during combat, Ordnance Industry Science Technology, a Xi'an-based magazine on the national defense industry, reported on Saturday.

China has also created low observable coatings and tested them prior to the new regulation.

Besides the J-20 stealth fighter jet that focuses on low observability for both the human eye and radars, China has been experimenting with low observable coatings on its J-16 fighter jet since 2018, the magazine reported.

The J-16, based on the non-stealth fighter jet Su-27, now features a dark gray coat instead of its original bluish-gray tone and has replaced its original Air Force insignia with a light gray design.

The new coat will provide the J-16 a level of stealth capabilities not only against the naked eye but also with electromagnetic devices, said Chinese Air Force pilot Jiang Jiaji last year on China Central Television.

The new coating can reduce detection by radar, air defense expert Fu Qianshao previously told the Global Times.

Having tested the new coatings and markings on the J-20 stealth and J-16, which have proven to be technically mature and useful, the Air Force is ready to expand their use on all warplanes, including fighter jets, bombers, cargo planes, and special mission aircraft, said a military expert who requested not to be named to the Global Times on Sunday.

This will result in an overall combat capability boost for the Air Force, the expert said.

The new regulation will be implemented gradually throughout 2020, the PLA Daily reported.

 

[Trailer23]

I am talking about PAC/PAF and JF-17. They can make a similar video.

Yaar, uus

ko dafa karo... Wo sirf har forum pay mod banay kay kuab daikta rh-ta hai.

Sorry for the late response, I was a bit busy finalizing the Tribute vid.

Yeah, this is a pretty good Promotional Vid, but i've noticed that though the Chinese have great production skills - they lack in certain parts. This video appears a carbon copy version of the J-20.

But yeah, the PAF/PAC need to up their game 'cause the footage used at the Air Shows at the PAF/PAC Pavillion is crap.

 

[zhxy]

Will China order a large number of Su-57 from Russia and receive TOT. Thus, China will have 3 5th generation aircraft including Su-57, J-20 and J-31

 

[Deino]

Will China order a large number of Su-57 from Russia and receive TOT. Thus, China will have 3 5th generation aircraft including Su-57, J-20 and J-31

No... simply no.

 

[LKJ86]

Will China order a large number of Su-57 from Russia and receive TOT. Thus, China will have 3 5th generation aircraft including Su-57, J-20 and J-31

No... simply no.

If India, Vietnam and others have bought Su-57, maybe PLAAF would take some for test.

 

[zhxy]

If India, Vietnam and others have bought Su-57, maybe PLAAF would take some for test.

I am not sure. India and Vietnam both buy T-90s. But China doesn't care about Russian tanks. The SU-57 has many problems and will not be ready for export in the next 5 years.

 

[LKJ86]

The SU-57 has many problems and will not be ready for export in the next 5 years.

So, why do you think China would buy Su-57?

 

[zhxy]

Because the problems of the Su-57 will be solved in 5 years, and China is the only country in the world that can order a large amount of Su-57 to receive TOT.

 

[LKJ86]

Because the problems of the Su-57 will be solved in 5 years, and China is the only country in the world that can order a large amount of Su-57 to receive TOT.

Why does China have to pay that bill?

 

[Deino]

Because the problems of the Su-57 will be solved in 5 years, and China is the only country in the world that can order a large amount of Su-57 to receive TOT.

First of all if this mess is all solved in 5 years needs to be seen and second, why should China then buy a foreign design, when the J-20 is available already since 2016 and ready for operational service?

I am not sure. India and Vietnam both buy T-90s. But China doesn't care about Russian tanks. The SU-57 has many problems and will not be ready for export in the next 5 years.

If you want to continue the Su-57's export chances then please go ahead in the Russian section, but not here in the PLAAF Flanker thread.

Thanks.