Chinese firms gain lead in the race for 5G edge

[cirr]

Japan enlists Huawei and ZTE to help win the race for 5G, report says

5G will let you download a full film in seconds -- and a Japanese telco wants to be the first company to offer it.

September 22, 20162:56 AM PDT

Rahil Bhagat

It looks like Japan could be the first country to get 5G up and running.

T-Mobile and Singapore's Singtel have begun 5G trials, showing mind-boggling speeds. But Japanese telco SoftBank has been in quiet talks with China's Huawei and ZTE to develop the company's 5G infrastructure. And much of that infrastructure is already in place, according to a report by The South China Morning Post.

The two companies are giants in China, separate from being phone brands. But they don't have a stellar reputation in the west as telecommunication firms.

Huawei is currently being subpoenaed by the US government for its dealings with North Korea and Iran, while ZTE has had restrictions placed on it by the US Commerce Department for allegedly doing business with Iran.

5G is definitely something to get excited about, with some projecting the service to be 30 to 50 times faster than 4G. HD films can be downloaded to your phone in seconds over a 5G connection.

Softbank has many competitors in the race to be the world's first 5G carrier. The United States' Verizon is aiming for "some kind of commercial deployment" of 5G by 2017 (ambitious), Australia's Telstra has goals to trial 5G in 2018 ahead of a 2020 release and South Korea's SK Telcom has declared it'll be the world's first 5G carrier.

While neither side has admitted to this project, it should be noted that both ZTE and Huawei signed memorandums with SoftBank in the middle of last year to develop new mobile communication technologies.

ZTE and Huawei didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

https://www.cnet.com/news/japan-enlists-huawei-and-zte-for-worlds-first-5g-report-says/

 

[ashok321]

BEIJING: China, the largest telecom market in the world in terms of subscribers, has started conducting trials for 5G telecommunications equipment in about 100 cities, as it aims to get a head start in the race to lead the next generation of cellular phone systems.

High-speed 5G networks can theoretically transmit data 20 times faster than current 4G speed, with less than one tenth of the latency, or the time for a data request to receive a reply.

The 5G technologies being tested include massive multiple-antenna systems capable of handling more users and increased capacity to support greater mobile data usage, Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post quoted Bernstein Research report as saying.

With the world's largest 4G market at 1.3 billion users at the end of 2015 it is on sufficient scale to "make or break" a new global 5G standard Bernstein's senior analyst Chris Lane said.

Almost 30 per cent of China's 1.3 billion mobile phone users are on 4G networks, according to the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT), which regulates the sector.

High-speed 5G networks can achieve theoretical speeds at up to 20 gigabits per second, much faster than the current fourth generation speed of 1 Gbps.

Latency, or the time required for a request for data to receive a reply when clicking an app, is envisioned to be one millisecond or less on 5G, compared with 10 millisecond on 4G.

The International Telecommunications Union, part of the United Nations, expects network deployments to begin in 2020 soon after the standards are set for 5G, technically known as IMT-2020.

The consensus among global telecoms industry leaders is that a single standard - a unified set of industry benchmarks - would be enormously beneficial.

"The cost of having different standards is high for the industry," said Wang Zhiqin, director of the Institute of Communications Standards Research at the China Academy of Information & Communications Technology said during the InnoTech Expo in Hong Kong.

David Dai Shu, spokesman for Shenzhen-based telecommunications equipment maker ZTE, state-run China Mobile smartphone manufacturers is the largest in the world in terms of subscribers and revenue alone was planning "pre-5G trials in more than 100 cities across more than 20 provinces."

The other two government owned firms, China Unicom and state-run China Telecom may also be undertaking some preparation, Dai said, adding that Unicom had signed a cooperation agreement with ZTE in August related to 5G research.

China Mobile has said previously that it plans to roll out its 5G network service in 2020.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-global-telecom-race/articleshow/54693524.cms

 

[Place Of Space]

20 times faster than current 4G speed....

Oh, am already satisfied with the 4G speed. Let's try the new speed.

 

[endyashainin]

While Indians made bold predications and talked endlessly about India's technological prowess, the Chinese worked hard to make real progress...


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-global-telecom-race/articleshow/54693524.cms

China begins 5G trial runs to get headstart in global telecom race
By PTI | Updated: Oct 05, 2016, 01.35 PM IST
BEIJING: China, the largest telecom market in the world in terms of subscribers, has started conducting trials for 5G telecommunications equipment in about 100 cities, as it aims to get a head start in the race to lead the next generation of cellular phone systems.

High-speed 5G networks can theoretically transmit data 20 times faster than current 4Gspeed, with less than one tenth of the latency, or the time for a data request to receive a reply.

The 5G technologies being tested include massive multiple-antenna systems capable of handling more users and increased capacity to support greater mobile data usage, Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post quoted Bernstein Research report as saying.

With the world's largest 4G market at 1.3 billion users at the end of 2015 it is on sufficient scale to "make or break" a new global 5G standard Bernstein's senior analyst Chris Lane said.

Almost 30 per cent of China's 1.3 billion mobile phone users are on 4G networks, according to the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT), which regulates the sector.

High-speed 5G networks can achieve theoretical speeds at up to 20 gigabits per second, much faster than the current fourth generation speed of 1 Gbps.

Latency, or the time required for a request for data to receive a reply when clicking an app, is envisioned to be one millisecond or less on 5G, compared with 10 millisecond on 4G.

The International Telecommunications Union, part of the United Nations, expects network deployments to begin in 2020 soon after the standards are set for 5G, technically known as IMT-2020.

The consensus among global telecoms industry leaders is that a single standard - a unified set of industry benchmarks - would be enormously beneficial.

"The cost of having different standards is high for the industry," said Wang Zhiqin, director of the Institute of Communications Standards Research at the China Academy of Information & Communications Technology said during the InnoTech Expo in Hong Kong.

David Dai Shu, spokesman for Shenzhen-based telecommunications equipment maker ZTE, state-run China Mobile smartphone manufacturers is the largest in the world in terms of subscribers and revenue alone was planning "pre-5G trials in more than 100 cities across more than 20 provinces."

The other two government owned firms, China Unicom and state-run China Telecom may also be undertaking some preparation, Dai said, adding that Unicom had signed a cooperation agreement with ZTE in August related to 5G research.

China Mobile has said previously that it plans to roll out its 5G network service in 2020.

 

[AndrewJin]

20 times faster than current 4G speed....

Oh, am already satisfied with the 4G speed. Let's try the new speed.

Universal 4G in China and 5G in cities!

 

[Place Of Space]

Universal 4G in China and 5G in cities!

Gooda idea, though unfair.

 

[AndrewJin]

Gooda idea, though unfair.

 

[onebyone]

China to Begin 5G Network Equipment Trials in Over 100 Cities: Report

China will start conducting 5G network equipment trials in over 100 cities.(Photo : Getty Images)

China has started conducting trials for 5G telecommunications equipment in more than 100 cities, as it targets to get a head start to lead the next generation of mobile phone systems.

The 5G technologies currently being tested have massive multiple-antenna systems that could handle more users and could support greater mobile data usage, South China Morning Post reported citing Bernstein Research.
Theoretically, high-speed 5G networks are capable of transmitting data 20 times faster than the current 4G. It could achieve speeds to as much as 20 gigabits per second.

Furthermore, its latency, or the time needed for data to receive a reply when clicking an app, is projected to be 1 millisecond or less compared with 10 ms on 4G.

Being the home of the world's biggest 4G market with 1.3 billion users, China is on sufficient scale to either make or break a new global 5G standard, Chris Lane, a senior analyst from Bernstein, said.

The International Telecommunications Union, which is a unit of the United Nations, anticipates network deployment to begin at the end of the decade, soon after 5G standard have been set since global telecoms industry leaders believe a single standard would be very beneficial.

"The cost of having different standards is high for the industry," Wang Zhiqin, director of the Institute of Communications Standards Research at the China Academy of Information & Communications Technology, said.

Meanwhile David Dai Su, a spokesman from telecom equipment maker ZTE, told South China Morning Post that China Mobile also plans to conduct "pre-5G trials in more than 100 cities across more than 20 provinces."

Dai said that two other companies, namely, China Unicom and China Telecom, are also potentially doing some preparations, but no specific information was available. He also revealed that China Unicom and ZTE signed a cooperation agreement related to 5G research in August.


http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/...k-equipment-trials-over-100-cities-report.htm

 

[TaiShang]

Chinese Mainland and Taiwan to team up in 5G technology research
chinadaily.com.cn, November 8, 2016

The Chinese Mainland and Taiwan plan to work together to promote research and industrial cooperation on the fifth generation (5G) mobile network technology, experts and company executives said on Monday.

Their comments came after the Chinese mainland finished the first phase of 5G research and testing in September that focused on 5G wireless and key technologies. Domestic and overseas enterprises such as Huawei Technologies Co Ltd, Ericsson AB and Samsung Electronics Co Ltd have all played an active part in the process.

Yang Zemin, vice president and secretary general at China Communications Standards Association, said that he has an optimistic view of the opportunity for Taiwan-based firms to participate in the mainland's second phase of experimental work on 5G.

"Both the mainland and Taiwan have open minds for deep cooperation in [the] future, and the two sides can work together to help formulate global 5G standard," Yang said at a cross-straits CEO summit in Xiamen, Fujian Province.

Cliff Lai, general manager at Taiwan Star Telecom Corp, a mobile network operator in Taiwan, said that currently most operators in Taiwan have launched the VoLTE service. However, due to the low data pricing, Taiwan-based firms lack a strong driving force for enhancing its development.

VoLTE stands for voice calls provisioned over a 4G LTE data network, rather than the 2G or 3G networks that are commonly used. It is a 4G technology that allows users to have better quality phone calls and high-definition video calls.

"I really look forward to working with the Chinese mainland. By working together, we can seek a better business model to profit from the VoLTE service."

In his point of view, the two sides will probably also work within the semiconductor business, especially the chips.

According to data from the US International Trade Administration, the Chinese mainland is the largest consumer market of semiconductors, accounting for more than half of global consumption in 2015. And Taiwan's semiconductor business is the world's second-largest in terms of output.

"Through the cooperation, Taiwan can fully access the mainland's market and compete with foreign chipmakers, such as the US-based Qualcomm Inc. For the mainland, it can have bigger development opportunities," Lai added.

 

[Roy Chang]

I strongly oppose this cooperation!
A rich Taiwan will never consider re-unite with Mainland.
We shouldn't giver our market share to a province seeking for independence.

 

[TaiShang]

I strongly oppose this cooperation!
A rich Taiwan will never consider re-unite with Mainland.
We shouldn't giver our market share to a province seeking for independence.

That's definitely a valid argument and represents one school of thought.

However, another argument made is that business connections are the facilitator for eventual unification.

After all, these are Taiwan's real bourgeoisie, and they hold certain control over the government's decision making.

Private and business interests are so vital that this bourgeoisie/capitalist class will oppose any move that would harm their interests.

I am not sure which way is the best option. To me, any move that brings the island and mainland together is a good one and adds to eventual unification.

The almost fanatical DPP can only be (peacefully) stopped if people think their private interests are in danger.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

That's definitely a valid argument and represents one school of thought.

However, another argument made is that business connections are the facilitator for eventual unification.

After all, these are Taiwan's real bourgeoisie, and they hold certain control over the government's decision making.

Private and business interests are so vital that this bourgeoisie/capitalist class will oppose any move that would harm their interests.

I am not sure which way is the best option. To me, any move that brings the island and mainland together is a good one and adds to eventual unification.

The almost fanatical DPP can only be (peacefully) stopped if people think their private interests are in danger.

This is great demonstration that China represents the value of advancement, cooperation and liberty. The best way to win people's heart is showing the superiority of your value and achievements in all areas, which is the idea China has upheld though the imperial era.

I guess with or without them, China is advancing rapidly in this field. from Taiwan's point of view it is more like "you cannot beat them, join them". lets welcome them.

 

[TaiShang]

This is great demonstration that China represents the value of advancement, cooperation and liberty. The best way to win people's heart is showing the superiority of your value and achievements in all areas, which is the idea China has upheld though the imperial era.

I guess with or without them, China is advancing rapidly in this field. from Taiwan's point of view it is more like "you cannot beat them, join them". lets welcome them.

Most Taiwan residents, including myself until recently, thought Mainland is the same peasant country of the 1970s and 80s. When Taiwan was called "the computer kingdom," Mainland was called "the bicycle kingdom."

Think about the perception. This image was solidified by countless HK and TW movies in which the Mainland Chinese were portrayed as either wretched villagers in their homeland, or gold hunters in HK and TW, often in the form of not so decent business.

It is always a shocking revelation to those who visit Mainland these days that, in fact, Mainland feels much more prosperous, developed and competitive than Taiwan.

That's why I value interpersonal-intersocietal relations. It opens people's horizons and clears away perceptions.

Right now in Taiwan, entertainment is increasingly dominated by Mainland production. I lost count how many singing and talent competitions are being aired in Taiwan. Same goes with dramas, which were once dominated by HK and then Korea.

Business and academics are two sectors that are vital for eventual unification, in my view, because the former will set up the material grounds while the latter will set up the ideational grounds.

In the end, as a person living in Taiwan, I prefer soft full unification (not some weird one country, two systems combination) rather than a forced one.

 

[ahojunk]

Most Taiwan residents, including myself until recently, thought Mainland is the same peasant country of the 1970s and 80s. When Taiwan was called "the computer kingdom," Mainland was called "the bicycle kingdom."

Think about the perception. This image was solidified by countless HK and TW movies in which the Mainland Chinese were portrayed as either wretched villagers in their homeland, or gold hunters in HK and TW, often in the form of not so decent business.

It is always a shocking revelation to those who visit Mainland these days that, in fact, Mainland feels much more prosperous, developed and competitive than Taiwan.

That's why I value interpersonal-intersocietal relations. It opens people's horizons and clears away perceptions.

Right now in Taiwan, entertainment is increasingly dominated by Mainland production. I lost count how many singing and talent competitions are being aired in Taiwan. Same goes with dramas, which were once dominated by HK and then Korea.

Business and academics are two sectors that are vital for eventual unification, in my view, because the former will set up the material grounds while the latter will set up the ideational grounds.

In the end, as a person living in Taiwan, I prefer soft full unification (not some weird one country, two systems combination) rather than a forced one.

@TaiShang

LOL, I can relate to your feelings.

My previous image of China was the one you described.

As I am interested in HSR, I started checking out news about China's HSR. Some advanced countries can't even afford HSR, so China could not be so backward. I have made a few trips to China recently and I was blown away by the progress China has made recently. When a westerner still thinks that China is some sort of backward third world country, I don't blame them as westerners (in advanced countries) are totally brainwashed by the mainstream media. Thank goodness for the Internet and alternative media otherwise I could still be like the "frog in the well".

When I read some of the posts by delusionary PDFers, I just ignore them. There is no point arguing with them. Just let them be.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

Most Taiwan residents, including myself until recently, thought Mainland is the same peasant country of the 1970s and 80s. When Taiwan was called "the computer kingdom," Mainland was called "the bicycle kingdom."

Think about the perception. This image was solidified by countless HK and TW movies in which the Mainland Chinese were portrayed as either wretched villagers in their homeland, or gold hunters in HK and TW, often in the form of not so decent business.

It is always a shocking revelation to those who visit Mainland these days that, in fact, Mainland feels much more prosperous, developed and competitive than Taiwan.

That's why I value interpersonal-intersocietal relations. It opens people's horizons and clears away perceptions.

Right now in Taiwan, entertainment is increasingly dominated by Mainland production. I lost count how many singing and talent competitions are being aired in Taiwan. Same goes with dramas, which were once dominated by HK and then Korea.

Business and academics are two sectors that are vital for eventual unification, in my view, because the former will set up the material grounds while the latter will set up the ideational grounds.

In the end, as a person living in Taiwan, I prefer soft full unification (not some weird one country, two systems combination) rather than a forced one.

That is somewhat understandable as the speed at which China has risen to preeminence is truly stunning and has never been seen in the history. I even found myself as a Chinese sometimes struggled to get used to all changes.

I remember there is an old Chinese saying 合久必分, 分久必合. China, not only in a sense of a nation but a civilization, has seen a great deal of changes over its long history. I am sure that we can draw some great wisdom from our collective memory.