Chinese distributing aid in Pakistan

[beijingwalker]

I got banned for challenging Chinese member.
Never used any bad words, or insulted anyone.
.

Everyone knows you are a renowned China basher, you did frequently insult China in many occasions, please admit this fact.

 

[RealNapster]

Do they represent a Chinese company or just charity groups themselves? They are doing that in Pakistan soil, so if they are trying to get Pakistanis sick as you claimed, they are already committing a big crime

Members here just making a big scene out of it. Wait till someone call it CIA plot to damage Pak-China relations. It's just a disgusting thing , that's it. No spreading of virus or other conspiracies.

 

[fisher1]

What is wrong here to criticize? What am I missing please help anyone?

I'll help explain and make you understand very very easily.

Imagine if some Afghanistani person was doing this holding Afghanistan flag, what would the reaction be?

Hope you understand now

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Bro, I already conceded the point.
America does Propaganda.
Will you concede that China does it as well?

is pakistan also doing same propaganda?

 

[Rusty]

Everyone knows you are a renowned China basher, you did frequently insult China in many occasions, please admit this fact.

Oh I will happily admit it.
I will take pride in it.
China, the country, is such a weak baby that a lone man on PDF has the power to hurt it's feelings.

I never, however, insulted any single Chinese member. Never used foul language against them, never made personal attacks.

It's not my fault that a county of 1.5 billion is so insecure that one single person online has the power to make them cry.

is pakistan also doing same propaganda?

Yup.

So why are you still trying to say that China does not do propaganda?

 

[BHarwana]

I'll help explain and make you understand very very easily.

Imagine if some Afghanistani person was doing this holding Afghanistan flag, what would the reaction be?

Hope you understand now

I don't hate afghans. I know what India design of propaganda has done & how that design has made a divide in Afghan/Pak relations.

 

[Death Professor]

do you know how stupid you sound?

To you may be. But I am not going to make a statement like that. I am not a bigot, I can agree or disagree with people, I don't have to go low like them. I can respectfully disagree with their beliefs, comments or statements. But since, there is comprehension issues, I will try to break it down and make it more simpler.

so its okay for Islamic republic of pakistan to put pakistani flag even though its against teachings of Islam when distributing AID

Yes, thats how governments are supposed to interact with other nations. Wouldn't have any problem, if China or any other country did the same for Pakistan. And no it, doesn't go against Islamic teachings because when that package is received in the receiving country it is probably sorted in a proper manner and then distributed by their local people. And even if the flags are plastered on each every thing inside those packages, the people aren't ridiculed to bring utensils from their homes just to get minuscule amount of it.

but its disgusting for non muslims to do something that is practiced by states?

so holding mere flag by some individual who can not be identified in public is disgusting and outrageous just because she is holding a flag but its okay with states plastering their flags on aid?

Will re-iterate my comment: If a Pakistani did the same thing in Ethiopia or any-other country in the same manner, I would even oppose that. Its about being human, its about empathy, its about respect.

Now coming to my first comment, to which you replied. My comment was: Extremely disrespectful and disgraceful. If any one wants to learn how to properly distribute aid learn from the following video.

So now answer me this. Would you stand in a line there, bringing a utensil from your home just to collect a bare minimum of 1 uncooked meal worth of food? Don't really know about you but that would be extremely disrespectful and disgraceful for me. Similarly, would I be distributing a bare minimum of 1 uncooked meal worth of food? No that would be extremely disrespectful and disgraceful to the people to whom I am distributing to. I would re-iterate what I wrote before its about humanity, empathy and respect.

Hopefully this time you will take a bit more time to read properly.

 

[fisher1]

What happens in China is our business, our internal affair, what happens in Pakistan is your business and your internal affairs, which China never intends to interfere.

Surprise, surprise, i agree with you 100%. My guess is this is most likely sponsored by the government of Pakistan and done with their blessings.

It's only logical that China will want to advertise and it's up to the countries how they do it. Even Pakistan advertises whenever they get a chance.

The people to blame here are not Chinese but Pakistanis themselves. Like i said, if it was some Afghani doing this then police would have probably beat him up and tore the flag as happened a few months ago.

So i side with you on this. This isn't happening in China. This is happening in Pakistan. If you think this is wrong, complain to government of Pakistan.

China can't be policing in other countries.

I don't hate afghans. I know what India design of propaganda has done & how that design has made a divide in Afghan/Pak relations.

Sigh. You're not the point here, it's not about you, yaar. I meant "generally". You know this well that people wouldn't take kindly to an Afghani flag being waved even if it was aid. That's why some people don't like Chinese flag being waved like that uncomfortably especially people who don't like China.

Please don't get offended. I don't even know you, why would i insult or attack you.

 

[beijingwalker]

Oh I will happily admit it.
I will take pride in it.
China, the country, is such a weak baby that a lone man on PDF has the power to hurt it's feelings.

Ha, China is a weak baby, but it's still our matter, if attacking China always makes your day, you've get some mental problems to fix.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Yup.
So why are you still trying to say that China does not do propaganda?

what is it you want to do? BAN flags on aid and that will solve the problem?
how about start with Pakistan before you try to take cheap shots at the hands that has saved Pakistan then any other nation on the planet.

 

[BHarwana]

Sigh. You're not the point here, it's not about you, yaar. I meant "generally". You know this well that people wouldn't take kindly to an Afghani flag being waved even if it was aid. That's why some people don't like Chinese flag being waved like that uncomfortably especially people who don't like China.

Please don't get offended. I don't even know you, why would i insult or attack you.

I am on point you failed to convey your point. Afghan flag waved by PTM while distributing aid. The thing which you ignored here is that China is not politically involved in Pakistan to do some engineering that is why this attitude of china is okay but if same thing is done by Afghanistan or USA then it has motivation behind it and will be rejected. The issue is trust which Pakistan has over China that helps China to walk freely as their past record supports their actions.

 

[UniverseWatcher]

Man... how did I know?
It's almost like you guys are predictable.

Never address the topic - CHECK
Try to change the topic - CHECK
Personal Attacks - Double Check
Get mods to close the thread due to "off topic and racist against Chinese" - Check? too early to say.

Aren't you attacking them by calling it a propaganda. Poor people need food, maybe you should go out, distribute free food to hundreds of em and make a proper line? Please share the video once you do....maybe you will be much happier when the poor starve to death. Guess you never been that road where you have to go to sleep with an empty stomach, so what can I say....

Thank you.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

To you may be. But I am not going to make a statement like that. I am not a bigot, I can agree or disagree with people, I don't have to go low like them. I can respectfully disagree with their beliefs, comments or statements. But since, there is comprehension issues, I will try to break it down and make it more simpler.


Yes, thats how governments are supposed to interact with other nations. Wouldn't have any problem, if China or any other country did the same for Pakistan. And no it, doesn't go against Islamic teachings because when that package is received in the receiving country it is probably sorted in a proper manner and then distributed by their local people. And even if the flags are plastered on each every thing inside those packages, the people aren't ridiculed to bring utensils from their homes just to get minuscule amount of it.




Will re-iterate my comment: If a Pakistani did the same thing in Ethiopia or any-other country in the same manner, I would even oppose that. Its about being human, its about empathy, its about respect.

Now coming to my first comment, to which you replied. My comment was: Extremely disrespectful and disgraceful. If any one wants to learn how to properly distribute aid learn from the following video.


Hopefully this time you will take a bit more time to read properly.

So your problem is, as an individual dont hold your nation's flag when distributing aid and that will fix the problem?
Btw Islam says dont show off when you distribute aid. By plastering your nation's flag on aid you are telling the recipient where the aid is coming from. for example a poor Afghani who's relative was lost due to a collateral damage by aid donor nation may not feel comfortable accepting aid from that nation and will have many thoughts. And thats exactly why Islam dislikes..

So now answer me this. Would you stand in a line there, bringing a utensil from your home just to collect a bare minimum of 1 uncooked meal worth of food? Don't really know about you but that would be extremely disrespectful and disgraceful for me. Similarly, would I be distributing a bare minimum of 1 uncooked meal worth of food? No that would be extremely disrespectful and disgraceful to the people to whom I am distributing to. I would re-iterate what I wrote before its about humanity, empathy and respect.

I dont know if its your arrogance or what but when you have your kids almost dying of hunger every grain of rice will count in that situation!

Yup.
So why are you still trying to say that China does not do propaganda?

I dont have any problem as long as hungry people are being fed.
I'm just using your logic to defeat your own argument.

 

[beijingwalker]

I agree that they shouldn't hold a Chinese flag when distributing food, but they are Chinese and they don't know much about the local culture, customs and values, it's Pakistani government's job to tell them not to, otherwise they don't even realize that they are doing something inappropriate in this country.

Blaming China and Chinese for everything that may not be appropriate in centain cultures and countries is just not fair, holding foreign flags when doing charity raising and cultural exchanges is pretty legal and common in China.

 

[Death Professor]

So your problem is, as an individual dont hold your nation's flag when distributing aid and that will fix the problem?

When did I say that? I already replied regarding this in my first reply to you. I will bold the parts so that it might become even more clear. Here was my comment:

My bad, didn't knew if you are holding a flag in your hand and know that a video is being made is now considered "distributing aid without letting anyone know". The propaganda is clear, the person doesn't have have to show his face or anything because the aim is clear. The flag and video tells what actually was the aim. And I am not even bothered by it, I am only replying to your thoughtless commenting.

Btw Islam says dont show off when you distribute aid.

On an individual level it is the case, but when you do it as an organization, community, it motivates others to do the same or if they can't then at-least contribute in a good cause. So there is very fine line between the two, one is for show-off or political gains other is for raising/motivating a sense of empathy among the people to do more for others.

By plastering your nation's flag on aid you are telling the recipient where the aid is coming from. for example a poor Afghani who's relative was lost due to a collateral damage by aid donor nation may not feel comfortable accepting aid from that nation and will have many thoughts before utilizing it.

Sure, one could argue that. I am not contesting everything what Pakistan does is Islamic.

I dont know if its your arrogance or what but when you have your kids almost dying of hunger every grain of rice will count in that situation!

Nahh, its a principled stance. It's a hard concept to explain but I will do my best. This will kind of diverting from the topic, but its necessary to explain, observe the following video:

Now one could argue, why didn't the Imam run away? Many behind him ran away and it's totally allowed in Islam to break your prayer and protect yourself during circumstances like these. But it's also about principled stance and belief, one could choose not to run away.

We aren't the people who eat rats and crows, when dying of hunger. While some can because it's totally allowed in Islam when you are dying of hunger. But then again some people take principled stance, it has nothing to do with arrogance.

Sure the situation in the OP's video wasn't exactly the same as the hyperbole's I am discussing, but it was still disrespectful and disgraceful, like I said in my first comment.