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The reason for Chinese to immigrate to another country : they expect the better living condition, good chance for business, ...
Several of them are refugees that fled from China mainland ...

If China is good for them, why they have to move ?

So in their mind, the new land is their choice, their home ...
It's China who try to use them as secret weapon against the local government ...
It hurt the feeling of local residents.

IN Vietnam, the South Vietnam President 1955-1963 Ngo Dinh Diem also order the Chinese ethnic people in South of Vietnam to choose South Vietnam citizenship or be expelled.
 
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China as usual. Demanding apologies while commiting crimes and occupying as we speak.

As usual atattroll continues to manufacture crap out of thin air. The Chinese government demanded no apologies from Indonesia, only online keyboard warriors did. China didn't say anything against Indonesia.
 
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China as usual. Demanding apologies while commiting crimes and occupying as we speak.
How asinine,a tragedy is a tragedy besides these are all keyboard warriors has the Chinese government demanded anything?

Modern day countries are were built by the sword,Turkey is no different except that modern day Anatolian Turks are mostly descended from the natives and merely adopted the conquerors language.

ie look at depictions of Xianbei,Gokturks,Uighurs look like Mongoloids to me.

What crimes,do we see China herding up minorities into concentration camps rather they are given advantages by the government.

Occupying what?

Tibet belonged to Yuan and Qing dynasties.

Xinjiang shifted control multiple times with the Han,Tang etc controlling it throughout history.
 
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So you have nothing to say about Indonesia, Vietnam
 
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How asinine,a tragedy is a tragedy besides these are all keyboard warriors has the Chinese government demanded anything?

Modern day countries are were built by the sword,Turkey is no different except that modern day Anatolian Turks are mostly descended from the natives and merely adopted the conquerors language.

ie look at depictions of Xianbei,Gokturks,Uighurs look like Mongoloids to me.

What crimes,do we see China herding up minorities into concentration camps rather they are given advantages by the government.

Occupying what?

Tibet belonged to Yuan and Qing dynasties.

Xinjiang shifted control multiple times with the Han,Tang etc controlling it throughout history.

Don't feed the troll, he doesn't give a crap about right or wrong.

@Hu Songshan You should be watching this thread, some people might be stirring up a trollfest.
 
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@Grand Historian

About this thread in general- during the 1960s massacre of "Communists", the majority of the 600,000 "Communist" suspects who were massacred were Indonesian Muslims, alot of Indonesian Communists were abangan Muslims, not Chinese. The attacks on Chinese affected alot of them, but far fewer Chinese died in general than other Indonesians.

During the 1990s-2000s massacres, there were a whole groups of different people massacring each other- the reason was that Suharto's regime fell and the economy was falling- Chinese were indeed massacred, but so were many other groups- Pagan Dayaks and Muslim Malays massacred Madurese Muslims in Kalimantan, Christian and Muslim Sulaweis massacred each other, Indonesians massacring Timorese, etc.

Why are only killings of Chinese being emphasized, when way more non-Chinese died than Chinese in these massacres? there are two kinds of people -

The first, are people who hate Chinese people. They seek to prove that Chinese people are hated everywhere and claim that only Chinese are getting massacred in these incidents in SEA, ignoring the fact that other people hate each other even more (Dayaks hatred for Madurese). (In Vietnam, the Vietnamese government didn't just mistreat Chinese, it also mistreated and massacred Montagnards and Hmong) (in Burma, the Burmese in the 1960s didn't just massacre Chinese, they also massacred others) (In Philippines, native Igorots, Lumads, and Moros are discriminated against in addition to Chinese)

The second, are people like Lux, they whine themselves being victims and have a victim mentality complex, and seek to monopolize all the attention on themselves.

And China isn't the only country which doesn't do anything for diasporas. In the 1964 Zanzibar Revolution, Black African Christians from mainland Africa under John Okello overthrew the island Arab Sultanate of Zanzibar, and massacred the Arab and Indian populations, establishing a Zanzibar Republic. Several thousand Arabs were killed in cold blood. The local Black African Muslims took advantage of the invasion and seized power from the Arabs, because for quite a while before the revolution, they had been stirring discontent and agitating to overthrow the Arab dominated Sultanate. Although the resulting Black African Muslim (leftists aligned with the Soviets) who took control of Zanzibar like the Marxist Umma party and Afro-Shirazi Party did not directly participate in the massacre, they were still anti Sultanate and benefited from the overthrow. The Black African Muslims under their new Black African Muslim President Abeid Karume then initiated anti-Arab policies and de-Arabization.

Some socialist Arab nationalist regimes like Egypt, aligned with the Soviet block, even recognized the new "socialist" Zanzibar Republic and congragulated Karume on the overthrow of the "feudal" Arab Sultanate, and offered assistance and maintained friendly relations.

The Arab Nationalist leader of Egypt, Gamal Abdel Nasser (Jamal Abd al-Nasir) visited the new Zanzibar Republic in the aftermath of the overthrow and massacre of Arabs, and took pictures with President Karume and congragulated him.

If the PRC did that to a leader who openly oversaw the massacre of Chinese, would Lux be complaining?

Between Social Skills and Marketable Skills: The Politics of Islamic ... - Roman Loimeier - Google Books

History of Zanzibar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

John Okello - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is graphic footage of the massacres on Zanzibar.


 
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Not for long time for me, maybe just 80 years.
My Grandfather and Grandmother born in China and have PRC Citizenship.

But my Father and Mother have Indonesian Citizenship.

1950s is not 2000s
Not many Chinese people in Indonesia know about "Repatriation Program" cause Geographic and Technology in that era maybe.
For my Grandparents itself, they Know about that PROGRAM long after the program ended up. :-)

and for your info, if you don't have MONEY. you cannot just go back to China in 1950s despite you choose PRC citizenship. That's the fact.



oh, I think you Indonesian Born Chinese, who flee to Singapore in 1998 Riots.
Sorry :-)
feel pain deeply for indonisia-chinese suffering ,just hope history not reapeat. some chinese poster make me shame . we should rather losing debate than humanity.
 
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sorry for poor English. For so many years visiting Pdf, I have to say i have enough for Chinnese 'high Iq'er , yes we are smart ,very inteligent ,just lack of wisdom, the way we talk,the logic, the' civilized maner',make thing worse,
 
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Again the Indian troll from Chennai AKA Glorino hijacks the thread to an off topic rant, the CPC NEVER CONDEMNED INDONESIA. The CPC/Chinese government said nothing to Indonesia about these riots, it didn't demand Indonesia apologize, and regards these as Indonesian internal affairs since Chinese Indonesians are not China's citizens. The CPC in fact has said very little about the massacres and has not "white washed" anything- why would China white wash facts about Indonesian citizens massacring otber Indonesians?

@Hu Songshan @WebMaster @Oscar
well,Isarel win respect and people's heart of treating Jewish people in foreign contry, and the effort to hunt the Nazis.Is anything China can learn from them?
 
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I want an apology too!!
 
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I have my life in Indonesia :-)
I just want 'PRC Citizen' to know the truth about "Chinese Overseas"

Good.. to make it BALANCE though.. how about next time you post something positive about how good Tionghoas (Indonesian chinese) are treated in Indonesia nowadays... because it is also the TRUTH.

Don't keep talking about racist Indonesians (which in fact only a few - every country has one) and ignoring MOST Indonesian, natives, muslims who are not racist toward Tionghoas, who protect them and embrace them equal as Indonesian brothers and sisters all this time.

Thank you.
 
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I want an apology too!!
i also want too.but considering chinas govenment did not ask japan for war reparations,atleast i know we are too weak,cannot cope with the complex world.thats why we need get stronger,else we will lose more.its a sad event for Indonesians and chinese,we need to establish an order to stop it happen again.both side need to work towards the same direction.Indonesia is an important country,should provide a good role models in ASEAN.still a shame we cant do more,we dont know much behide it,but fact is fact.when you have ability to prevent its occurrence,there will be no reason for racism or others.
 
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There are Chinese here who keep ranting "Indonesian citizen" got shitt. Lets examine what PRC scholars opinions about this.

http://dspace.xmu.edu.cn/dspace/bit...0E%1CW%9AN%CF%3E%1A0M%84%D8%16.pdf?sequence=2


到 1954 年 ,自动加入印尼国籍的华侨人数占印尼华侨总数的 30 %。当时印尼外侨事务局估计华侨约 300 万人 ,即入籍的有 90 万人 ,保留中国籍的有 210 万人。1954 年以后 ,印尼政府与民间排华情绪甚嚣尘上 ,认为华侨即使加入印尼籍 ,也是“身在曹营心在汉”,不会效忠于印尼政府。印尼政府不但在经济上实行多种限制和打击华侨企业的措施, 在国籍法上也给华侨归化于当地设置各种障碍.....

根据这些条件 , 当时能够申请印尼籍的华侨不多 , 印尼政府实际上是拒绝多数华侨归化入籍......

I summarized briefly the above passage. At 1954, 2.1 millions out of 3 millions Chinese residence in Indonesia were Chinese citizen. After 1954, Indonesian government deployed red tap to prevent Chinese from gaining citizenship.


The above passage give you a idea of discrimination suffered by Chinese in Indonesia years ago.

The Indians here seem to be more humane than certain PRC here. PDF Indians here seems to speak up for Chinese Indonesian. I think PDF PRC involvement in PDF have made their thinking eccentric. Even all other China forum I visited, you see nationalistic Chinese speaking out on the side on Chinese Indonesians.

In PDF, there are people who teeter on the verge of victim blaming, and suggested that "Indonesian citizen" got nothing to do with PRC. Even Indians down here feel sorry for us.

Today, many of these advertise themselves as "patriotic Chinese". From their English, I believe many of them been in white man land. Imagine a hypothetical scenario. One day, white man KKK go into their neigbourhood cut them up, raped their women..etc.

Then PDF PRC started their victim blaming.....

Cheers.
 
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There are "Chinese trolls" here who keep ranting "Indonesian citizen" got shitt. Lets examine what PRC scholars opinions about this.


到 1954 年 ,自动加入印尼国籍的华侨人数占印尼华侨总数的 30 %。当时印尼外侨事务局估计华侨约 300 万人 ,即入籍的有 90 万人 ,保留中国籍的有 210 万人。1954 年以后 ,印尼政府与民间排华情绪甚嚣尘上 ,认为华侨即使加入印尼籍 ,也是“身在曹营心在汉”,不会效忠于印尼政府。印尼政府不但在经济上实行多种限制和打击华侨企业的措施, 在国籍法上也给华侨归化于当地设置各种障碍.....

根据这些条件 , 当时能够申请印尼籍的华侨不多 , 印尼政府实际上是拒绝多数华侨归化入籍......

I summarized briefly the above passage. At 1954, 2.1 millions out of 3 millions Chinese residence in Indonesia were Chinese citizen. After 1954, Indonesian government deployed red tap to prevent Chinese from gaining citizenship.


The above passage give you a idea of discrimination suffered by Chinese in Indonesia years ago.

The Indians here seem to be more humane than certain PRC here. PDF Indians here seems to speak up for Chinese Indonesian. I think PDF PRC involvement in PDF have made their thinking eccentric. Even all other China forum I visited, you see nationalistic Chinese speaking out on the side on Chinese Indonesians.

In PDF, there are some clowns who teeter on the verge of victim blaming, and suggested that "Indonesian citizen" got nothing to do with PRC. Even Indians down here feel sorry for us.

Today, many of these clowns advertise themselves as "patriotic Chinese". From their English, I believe many of them been in white man land. Imagine a hypothetical scenario. One day, white man KKK go into their neigbourhood cut them up, raped their women..etc.

Then PDF PRC clowns started their victim blaming.....

Cheers.
Can't agree with you more
 
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Veritas,

if theorically tomorrow another massacre on ethnic overseas Chinese, be in Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand or Cambodia, PRC and Chinese posters here will refrain and do nothing as they claim those Chinese are not Chinese, and have nothing to do with PRC. Perhaps Chinese government will dispatch some vessels to bail some out, but refrain from any critics or military actions.

at present Vietnam monitors closely the development in Cambodia as another racist hater appears on the scene in form of opposition leader Sam Rainsy. He has started a hatred war against ethnic Vietnamese. many shops from ethnic Vietnamese were looted by mobs. Not surprisingly, China keeps silent as Rainsy voices support for China. That concerns us very much, because it remembers to the days of Khmer Rouge. all began so. before Chinese posters here begin to celebrate, they should remember that the Khmer Rouge killed ethnic Chinese, too, when the killers started killing the ethnic Vietnamese.

Singapore is safe, as ethnic Chinese form the government and are in the majority, luckily. I guess my post will be deleted soon by mods.

Opposition Leader Says He Supports China Over Vietnam
The Cambodia Daily | On Campaign Trail, Sam Rainsy Pledges to Oust Vietnamese
 
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