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Chinese counterfeit parts found in U.S. weapons - The Washington Post

By William Wan and Jason Ukman, Tuesday, November 8, 6:22 AM

U.S. officials say a problem that has long plagued luxury handbag makers such as Gucci and Louis Vuitton is now afflicting the Pentagon’s high-end weapons systems: cheap Chinese counterfeits.

A months-long congressional probe found at least 1,800 cases of counterfeit electronics in U.S. weapons, with the total number of suspect parts exceeding 1 million.

The results of the investigation, conducted by the Senate Armed Services Committee, are to be presented at a hearing Tuesday, where senators plan to grill defense contractors about lapses in monitoring their parts supply chain.

“We cannot allow our national security to depend on electronic scrap salvaged from trash heaps by Chinese counterfeiters,” said committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.). He called the report’s findings — based on records from 10 defense contractors and their testers — “just the tip of the iceberg.”

In more than 70 percent of the cases in which investigators traced parts back to their source, the trail led to China. And nearly 20 percent of the remainder were traced to Britain and Canada — resale points for counterfeit Chinese parts, Senate staffers said.

Chinese Embassy spokesman Wang Baodong said that his government’s position “on striking down on fake products is clear and consistent.” He said China’s policy “is aimed to ensure that commodities of safety and quality are provided to the consumers.”

In the past, the embassy also has said that the issue of investigating counterfeit parts was a matter of “China’s judicial sovereignty.”

Fake electronic parts often are produced in China by burning raw material off old circuit boards, washing the components in sometimes-polluted rivers and drying them on city sidewalks, Senate investigators said. They said the resulting parts are unreliable over the long term, even if they pass initial factory testing by manufacturers.

“We can’t tolerate the risk of a ballistic missile interceptor failing to hit its target, a helicopter pilot unable to fire his missiles or any other mission failure because of a counterfeit part,” said Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the ranking Republican on the Armed Services Committee.

McCain and Levin said they intend to use the 2012 Defense Authorization Act to modify acquisition provisions so that the onus is on contractors to pay for replacing such parts, with the hope that they will adopt stricter policies with their suppliers.

The lawmakers also threatened to seek the inspection of shipments of all Chinese electronic parts — for military and commercial use — at U.S. ports if China does not take steps to curb the flow of counterfeit goods. The costs of those inspections, they said, would be borne by the shippers.

In a briefing Monday, Levin angrily accused Beijing of allowing a “brazenly open market” for counterfeit parts in Shenzhen, Guangdong province. He noted that committee staff members were stopped in Hong Kong and refused visas into China by officials who warned that their investigation was “sensitive and could be damaging to U.S.-China relations.”

Levin said that China’s authoritarian rulers could stop the counterfeiting “if they want to stop it.”

Counterfeit electronics parts are a well-known scourge of the military supply chain, and China a well-known source. A 2010 study by the Commerce Department said that China was nearly five times more likely than any other country to be identified as the source of suspected counterfeit goods by manufacturers, distributors and others involved in the supply of weaponry to the Defense Department.

The recycled materials used in those parts are often sold overseas through a complex web of suppliers, contractors and subcontractors. And the use of counterfeit parts, Senate staffers said, has at times resulted in millions of dollars in waste, with U.S. taxpayers footing the bill when contractors discover the need for replacements.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...n-us-weapons/2011/11/07/gIQAQGh7wM_story.html



Chinese 'are flooding Pentagon supply chain with counterfeit electronic parts and putting U.S. military at risk'

By Associated Press

Last updated at 5:16 AM on 8th November 2011

China is dumping counterfeit electronic parts into the Pentagon's supply chain, two senior lawmakers alleged on Monday.

Two Senators, John McCain, Republican-Arizona, and Carl Levin, Democrat-Michigan, said the counterfeits are putting U.S. troops at risk and undercutting the American economy.

One day before a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on the issue, the Senators offered details of the panel's ongoing investigation.

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At risk: Senate Armed Services Committee investigators found suspect electronic parts were installed on the Marines' CH-46 helicopter

They described a deceptive process in which parts are burned off old circuit boards, washed in rivers, dried on streets and sanded down to remove identifying marks.

The salvaged parts, which can look brand new, are sold on the Internet or openly in the markets, the Associated Press reports.

The panel's investigators reviewed more than 100,000 pages of Defense Department documents and material from more than 70 companies.

They found about 1,800 cases of suspect counterfeit electronics being sold to the Pentagon.

The total number of parts in these cases topped one million.
Placed in danger: The Air Force's C-17 was part of the counterfeit parts probe

Placed in danger: The Air Force's C-17 was part of the counterfeit parts probe

The committee hearing will examine three cases in which suspect counterfeit parts from China were installed in military systems made by Raytheon, L-3 Communications and Boeing.

Levin, the committee chairman, told reporters at a Capitol Hill news conference: 'Now, a million parts is surely a huge number.

'But I want to just repeat this: We've only looked at a portion of the defense supply chain. So those 1,800 cases are just the tip of the iceberg.'

The investigators found that counterfeit or suspect electronic parts were installed or delivered to the military for several weapons systems.

They include military aircraft such as the Air Force's C-17 and the Marine Corps' CH-46 helicopter, as well as the Army's Theatre High-Altitude Area Defence (THAAD) missile defense system.

The lawmakers indicated they would push for amendments to the defense bill to limit counterfeit electronics in the supply chain.
Compromised? The Army's Theatre High-Altitude Area Defence (THAAD) missile defense system

Compromised? The Army's Theatre High-Altitude Area Defence (THAAD) missile defense system

Mr McCain, the top Republican on the committee, said: 'We can't tolerate the risk of a ballistic missile interceptor failing to hit its target, a helicopter pilot unable to fire his missiles or any other mission failure because of a counterfeit part.'

Investigators traced more than 70 per cent of the cases to China.

Nearly 20 per cent led to the United Kingdom and Canada, the lawmakers said.

They said material in Hong Kong was trucked to cities in mainland China, specifically to the counterfeiting district of Shantou in Guangdong Province.

Mr Levin said China could stop the deception if it wanted to.

'And they're going to have to stop it or else they're going to pay a heavy price if we start inspecting all of their parts that are coming into this country.

'Because the only way to separate the wheat from the chaff is through inspections, if they keep sending us chaff,' he said.

The committee is expected to hear from Defense Department officials and company executives.

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Placed in danger: The Air Force's C-17 was part of the counterfeit parts probe


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Compromised? The Army's Theatre High-Altitude Area Defence (THAAD) missile defense system



Read more: Chinese counterfeit electronic parts 'are putting U.S. military at risk' | Mail Online


Read more: Chinese counterfeit electronic parts 'are putting U.S. military at risk' | Mail Online
 
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The quality of chinese stuff is well known and its open fact that china make and fake everything of earth. So far they have targeted economies of the countries.

But to target nations military with fakes is a new one.

US should take strong action and reduce chinese supplies not only for military but for civilian use too.

India should also do a probe and check everything containing chinese stuff in our military supplies.
 
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The quality of chinese stuff is well known and its open fact that china make and fake everything of earth. So far they have targeted economies of the countries.

But to target nations military with fakes is a new one.

US should take strong action and reduce chinese supplies not only for military but for civilian use too.

India should also do a probe and check everything containing chinese stuff in our military supplies.

I am so glad that Indians are NOT ANTI-CHINA and Veeru is a good example.

Veeru you should also warn Americans about the following :

http://www.american.com/archive/2009/september/indias-counterfeit-claims-on-counterfeit-drugs/


Expats sold fake Indian drugs in the US
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/expats-sold-fake-indian-drugs-in-the-us/791925/
 
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The quality of chinese stuff is well known and its open fact that china make and fake everything of earth. So far they have targeted economies of the countries.

But to target nations military with fakes is a new one.

US should take strong action and reduce chinese supplies not only for military but for civilian use too.

India should also do a probe and check everything containing chinese stuff in our military supplies.

They buying it from China and using it as military parts is a new one too :lol:
 
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Give it a rest lads. Don't you guys get tired of bickering? :lol:
 
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This thread is classic example for those 'TT & professionals' who don't believe that Pakistani F-16 are not compromised.
 
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I am so glad that Indians are NOT ANTI-CHINA and Veeru is a good example.

Veeru you should also warn Americans about the following :

India


Expats sold fake Indian drugs in the US
Expats sold fake Indian drugs in the US - Indian Express


1. Why are you violating defence.pk rules by:

a. Targeting a member
b. posting off topic
c. trolling
d. flame

2. Even ur off topic is lame and falls flat.

Fake Chinese drugs with 'made in India' labels continue to hit African markets, says Nigerian FDA chief

Fake Chinese drugs with 'made in India' labels continue to hit African markets

'China-made' fake drugs investigated -- china.org.cn

Chinese passing off fake drugs as ?Made in India? - Times Of India

Counterfeit Drugs Made In China Relabeled "Made In India" - The Consumerist


^^^^^^^^ above links makes it clear that it was chinese who are making fake drugs and labeling them as Made in India. :rofl:

Its a hard slap of facts, don't u agree.
:enjoy:
 
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The quality of chinese stuff is well known and its open fact that china make and fake everything of earth. So far they have targeted economies of the countries.

But to target nations military with fakes is a new one.

US should take strong action and reduce chinese supplies not only for military but for civilian use too.

India should also do a probe and check everything containing chinese stuff in our military supplies.

No one holds exclusive propriety rights on electronics.

India cannot afford US made electronics, so no point in doing probe for nothing.
 
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what wrong with copying? it can take a decade to make something original, but if you copy it will maybe take 3 years.
At least chinese copies are way ahead then indian equipment
 
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what wrong with copying? it can take a decade to make something original, but if you copy it will maybe take 3 years.
At least chinese copies are way ahead then indian equipment

Stay focused.. there is no mention of any copied article.

In today's world China is the sole supplier and developer of consumer electronics.

There are copyright laws and if US army cannot exploit the legal provisions than trust me there is no truth init.
 
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what wrong with copying? it can take a decade to make something original, but if you copy it will maybe take 3 years.
At least chinese copies are way ahead then indian equipment

Whats wrong with stealing.. It can take a 2-3 years to make enough money thru legal means to buy a car, but if you steal it, it will may be possible in a week.. Atleast the stolen car will drive better than a motor cycle bought with one's own money..


See something wrong with the above statement ??? ;)
 
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This thread is classic example for those 'TT & professionals' who don't believe that Pakistani F-16 are not compromised.

In India we know it that's why we are not open to critical assets from USA and get it cleared by the dedicated team of experts in India and also takes help of experts from Israel/France/Russia to get rid of kill switch/codes etc.

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Indians don't have the intelligence to do a reverse engineering and therefore resort to China bashing as result of envy.

Racist post reported.

I don't think its worthwhile to respond to low level, silly flame post.
 
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Whats wrong with stealing.. It can take a 2-3 years to make enough money thru legal means to buy a car, but if you steal it, it will may be possible in a week.. Atleast the stolen car will drive better than a motor cycle bought with one's own money..


See something wrong with the above statement ??? ;)
if they make the exact same thing with their own recources which they do it is not stealing
 
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