Chinese companies lobby for 2nd nuclear power plant in Bangladesh

[Nilgiri]

Ah ok now I see it.


Various studies show the costs of solar and wind plants have massively decreased in price and increased in efficiency recently. Nuclear can’t beat it. But ok BD going with nuclear power. Having nuclear plants will levy national pride. VN can go with nuclear too, but not at this stage, not at any cost. I think we will try to acquire the technology and build the plants by ourselves. That will sink the cost to an affordable level.

The issue is base (consistent) load versus ramp load on the grid. Some power sources gain extra economic credential by being more suited to base load....because you need to hedge across a spectrum (everything cannot simply be a fluctuating ramp load with all the tech needed to store/smooth it out).

 

[nahtanbob]

Not that latest

China beats US in starting world's first meltdown-proof nuclear power plant
https://www.ibtimes.co.in/china-bea...rst-meltdown-proof-nuclear-power-plant-739023

"meltdown" proof ??

 

[Viet]

The issue is base (consistent) load versus ramp load on the grid. Some power sources gain extra economic credential by being more suited to base load....because you need to hedge across a spectrum (everything cannot simply be a fluctuating ramp load with all the tech needed to store/smooth it out).

Oh bro that’s very statistical I see you attended university.
Looking that way: in 2014, Germany per capita energy consumption per year is 7,000 kWh (VN 1,400 kWh, BD 310 kWh). The Germans are now shutting down ALL nuclear plants by 2022. At the beginning some feared we here in Germany with huge exports industrial complex would suffer shortages but now seems we have too much surplus with energy prices sinking to a level not seen before.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

I consider Japanese record on nuclear reactors above average. they have access to latest safety technology

Ah. But you don't need to convince me. hope that you can understand. It's not that China wants to build nuclear power... you just need to convince the BD government.

BTW. About this article. No Chinese said BD must accept China nuclear power.

 

[nahtanbob]

Why didn't see Japan invest much in Bangladesh? Probably not in top 10.

According to the UNCTAD’s 2018 World Investment Report, FDI closed at USD 2.15 billion in 2017 (down 7.76% from USD 2.33 billion in 2016) due to energy and telecommunication investments - the most important FDI recipients - levelling off.

The main investors in the country are China, South Korea, India, Egypt, the United Kingdom, the United Arab Emirates and Malaysia. Total FDI stock was estimated USD 14.6 billion (5.8% of the country's GDP) in 2017 by the UNCTAD.

Bangladesh received US$ 28bn in foreign investment in 5 yrs, China on top
Bangladesh received more than US$ 28 billion in investment from 45 countries in the last five years with China investing the highest amount of US$ 8107 million.

According to the BIDA's statistics, the top ten countries in terms of investment size are: China (US$ 8107 million), the UAE (US$ 7836 million), Saudi Arabia (US$ 2461 million), Singapore (US$ 2261 million), the UK (US$ 1962 million), The Netherlands (US$ 1744 million), the USA (US$ 1219 million), India (US$ 976 million), Thailand (US$ 637 million) and Japan (US$ 384 million).

What exactly has Chinese invested in Bangladesh for $8.1 billion ?

 

[TopCat]

BD should first wait for the Russian plant to get operationalized first. It can go into delays which is a common and increase costs. Should gain little experience with operation of Nuclear reactors before going for the second one, so more BD engineers and companies can participate in the construction of 2nd reactor.

Doing it now and giving it to the Chinese means, Chinese people, chinese companies and Chinese money and BD companies will still learn nothing.

2nd nulcear plant is in the concept paper only. They are doing feasibility study and site selection now. It will take couple of years before we can ask for EOI from potential bidders. Considering the south asian bureaucracy, you need to a early start

What exactly has Chinese invested in Bangladesh for $8.1 billion ?

They already bought 25% stake of Dhaka Stock exchange. Then they have investment in textiles and garments, infra structure, power projects, Special Economic Zones. Chinese are everywhere these days. They can live without the Nuclear Power Plant for sure...

Giving the nuclear power plant has some political fallout in west and with India. We dont need to go that way when we have other options...

 

[UKBengali]

Various studies show the costs of solar and wind plants have massively decreased in price and increased in efficiency recently. Nuclear can’t beat it. But ok BD going with nuclear power. Having nuclear plants will levy national pride. VN can go with nuclear too, but not at this stage, not at any cost. I think we will try to acquire the technology and build the plants by ourselves. That will sink the cost to an affordable level.

Bro, BD is also going for solar but there is only so much you can generate in a small mass like BD. BD is 5-6 times more densely populated than Vietnam.
BD government targets 10% power generation from nuclear by 2030. It will just be a small part of the electricity generating mix.
Germany still generates around 30% of its power from coal and gas. Big disadvantage of renewables is how do you generate electricity when there is no wind or it is night?
You are lucky in Vietnam to be blessed with oil, coal and hydroelectric potential. Your unique situation may allow you to go completely renewable one day as hydro can generate power at any time.

 

[bluesky]

Applause. That's why there were two nuclear accidents.

I know about Fukushima nuclear accident of 2011. Where is the other one?

 

[SBUS-CXK]

I know about Fukushima nuclear accident of 2011. Where is the other one?

Sorry, I'm wrong. Not two times......

Tokaimura nuclear accident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaimura_nuclear_accident

List of Japanese nuclear incidents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_nuclear_incidents

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/01/30/national/alarm-sounded-nuclear-facility-ibaraki/

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20170613/p2a/00m/0na/016000c

As I have said, this is not China to build nuclear power. and no Chinese say that BD should choose China's nuclear power... so BD members really don't need to convince me.

 

[Nilgiri]

Oh bro that’s very statistical I see you attended university.
Looking that way: in 2014, Germany per capita energy consumption per year is 7,000 kWh (VN 1,400 kWh, BD 310 kWh). The Germans are now shutting down ALL nuclear plants by 2022. At the beginning some feared we here in Germany with huge exports industrial complex would suffer shortages but now seems we have too much surplus with energy prices sinking to a level not seen before.

Honestly Germany never really needed nuclear plant program. The French achieved large economy of scale on it (in the 80s itself) and you can just import from them using the euro electric grid. I suspect that has also been part of reason for reduced end user charges in Germany as it shuts its nuclear plants down and replaces with euro imports and more local renewables too....and probably gas (who's prices have also reduced in the latest years).

@Vergennes

 

[bluesky]

Honestly given its earthquake zone, Japan should have gone for PHWR design rather than BWR.

I think the Fukushima accident caused countries more towards CANDU/PHWR design. How about our Rooppur power plant? I personally have no idea.

 

[Nilgiri]

I think the Fukushima accident caused countries more towards CANDU/PHWR design. How about our Rooppur power plant? I personally have no idea.

roopur is another light water design (VVER). Russians never developed much into heavy water cycle.

VVER is pretty safe though....all designs are safe if you take good care to have adequate safety systems, just PHWR is extra safe at passive level.

 

[Viet]

Honestly Germany never really needed nuclear plant program. The French achieved large economy of scale on it (in the 80s itself) and you can just import from them using the euro electric grid. I suspect that has also been part of reason for reduced end user charges in Germany as it shuts its nuclear plants down and replaces with euro imports and more local renewables too....and probably gas (who's prices have also reduced in the latest years).

@Vergennes

No Germany doesn’t rely on French nuclear energy. In opposite last year when nuclear plants are gradually being shutdown Germany exports more than imports energy.

https://de.statista.com/statistik/d...e/stromimportsaldo-von-deutschland-seit-1990/