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Rawalpindi - October 27, 2011:
Pakistan China Joint Military Exercise YOUYI-IV is scheduled to be held in mid November in Pakistan. The joint exercise, spread over a period of two weeks, is aimed at mutual exchange of experience and information through a comprehensive training programme in real time. Exercise will encompass techniques and procedures involved in Low Intensity Conflict Operations (LIC) environment. This joint interaction in form of military exercise aims at sharing and enhancing expertise of both armies in countering terrorism.
Exercise YOUYI which literally translates "FRIENDSHIP" between two countries started in 2004. Pakistan Army was the first foreign army to conduct any exercise on Chinese soil. So far three exercises have been conducted; including two in China and one in Pakistan. These exercises were mandated to boost existing professional relationship between the two friendly Armies.
It may be mentioned here that Pakistan and China enjoy extremely close and brotherly relations since their inception, which have matured and strengthened over the years. The forthcoming Joint Military Exercise YOUYI-IV will certainly pave the way for further cementing the existing bilateral relations between Pakistan and China.
Pakistan China Joint Military Exercise YOUYI-IV is scheduled to be held in mid November in Pakistan. The joint exercise, spread over a period of two weeks, is aimed at mutual exchange of experience and information through a comprehensive training programme in real time. Exercise will encompass techniques and procedures involved in Low Intensity Conflict Operations (LIC) environment. This joint interaction in form of military exercise aims at sharing and enhancing expertise of both armies in countering terrorism.
Exercise YOUYI which literally translates "FRIENDSHIP" between two countries started in 2004. Pakistan Army was the first foreign army to conduct any exercise on Chinese soil. So far three exercises have been conducted; including two in China and one in Pakistan. These exercises were mandated to boost existing professional relationship between the two friendly Armies.
It may be mentioned here that Pakistan and China enjoy extremely close and brotherly relations since their inception, which have matured and strengthened over the years. The forthcoming Joint Military Exercise YOUYI-IV will certainly pave the way for further cementing the existing bilateral relations between Pakistan and China.
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I like Israel tank, why China don't invent their own one bases on that design!?
bedside, the Korean one is quite interesting!!!
outside question: what kind of tank Turkey army uses?
bedside, the Korean one is quite interesting!!!
outside question: what kind of tank Turkey army uses?
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Rechoice, be honest, describe a plausible scenario where Vietnam can prevail against China militarily. Go ahead, try it. I thought so. It's not possible.
It's like asking Cuba, even with outside help, to describe a scenario where it prevails against the United States. It is plainly ridiculous.
As a Vietnamese, you should be glad that China is such a reasonable country. If China behaved like the Soviets or Germans, they would have annexed the northern half of your country by now.
Today's China is a near-peer to the United States with thermonuclear weapons, a $7 trillion economy, and growing around 8% per year. China's military contains 4,092 aircraft (see chart above), 1,389 helicopters, 22,795 land weapons, and 562 total navy ships.
Don't forget, with an $100 billion annual military budget, China is constantly upgrading (e.g. prototype J-20 Mighty Dragon stealth fighter) its arsenal and building more weapons (e.g. Type 99A2 main battle tanks).
Are you still holding onto the fantasy of the United States somehow fighting a war on Vietnam's behalf? You should read item #4 in my post below. In 1962, China's military technology was decades behind the United States and yet, the United States refused to grant India's repeated desperate requests for 12 squadrons of jet fighters.
Vietnam's probability of success against China, with or without outside help, is ZERO. What's the point of arguing with the world's third-largest thermonuclear power (e.g. at least 294 megatons of thermonuclear warheads) and second-largest military budget? Catch my drift?
Four important lessons from 1962 Sino-Indian border war
1. When the People's Daily newspaper publishes an article warning you to back off, you better listen. It is a prelude to war. The Indians ignored the warning from the People's Daily in 1962 and they paid the price of defeat in the Sino-Indian border war.
This lesson is applicable today to Vietnam and the Philippines. After the People's Daily, Xinhua, and Global Times warned them of military action, Vietnamese and Filipino provocations in the South China Sea stopped.
Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"On 22 September 1962, the People's Daily published an article which claimed that "the Chinese people were burning with 'great indignation' over the Indian actions on the border and that New Delhi could not 'now say that warning was not served in advance'."[37][38]
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On 14 October, an editorial on People's Daily issued China's final warning to India: "So it seems that Mr. Nehru has made up his mind to attack the Chinese frontier guards on an even bigger scale....It is high time to shout to Mr. Nehru that the heroic Chinese troops, with the glorious tradition of resisting foreign aggression, can never be cleared by anyone from their own territory... If there are still some maniacs who are reckless enough to ignore our well-intentioned advice and insist on having another try, well, let them do so. History will pronounce its inexorable verdict... At this critical moment...we still want to appeal once more to Mr. Nehru: better rein in at the edge of the precipice and do not use the lives of Indian troops as stakes in your gamble." [38]"
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2. Chinese weaponry stationed across from Taiwan can be moved to the Indian sector. In 1962, China moved heavy artillery. In the current context, China can move 1,800 short-range ballistic missiles from the Taiwan sector for use against India.
Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Chinese attention was diverted for a time by the military activity of the Nationalists on Taiwan, but on 23 June the U.S. assured China that a Nationalist invasion would not be permitted.[30] China's heavy artillery facing Taiwan could then be moved to Tibet.[31] It took China six to eight months to gather the resources needed for the war, according to Anil Athale, author of the official Indian history.[31] The Chinese sent a large quantity of non-military supplies to Tibet through the Indian port of Calcutta.[31]"
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3. PLA's blitzkrieg will slice through the enemy's best troops.
Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Marshal Liu Bocheng headed a group to determine the strategy for the war. He concluded that the opposing Indian troops were among India's best, and to achieve victory would require deploying crack troops and relying on force concentration to achieve decisive victory. On 16 October, this war plan was approved, and on the 18th, the final approval was given by the Politburo for a "self-defensive counter-attack", scheduled for 20 October.[2]
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At 5:14 am, Chinese mortar fire began attacking the Indian positions. Simultaneously, the Chinese cut the Indian telephone lines, preventing the defenders from making contact with their headquarters. At about 6:30 am, the Chinese infantry launched a surprise attack from the rear and forced the Indians to leave their trenches.[36]
The Chinese troops overwhelmed the Indians in a series of flanking manoeuvres south of the McMahon Line and prompted their withdrawal from Namka Chu.[36] Fearful of continued losses, Indian troops escaped into Bhutan. Chinese forces respected the border and did not pursue.[7] Chinese forces now held all of the territory that was under dispute at the time of the Thag La confrontation, but they continued to advance into the rest of NEFA.[36]
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Western theatre
On the Aksai Chin front, China already controlled most of the disputed territory. Chinese forces quickly swept the region of any remaining Indian troops.[42] Late on 19 October, Chinese troops launched a number of attacks throughout the western theatre.[8] By 22 October, all posts north of Chushul had been cleared.[8]"
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4. In 1962, the United States rejected India's plea for military jets. Today, China is a well-armed thermonuclear power. What are the chances that the United States would be willing to supply India with a single bullet in the next Sino-Indian border war?
Sino-Indian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Involvement of other nations
During the conflict, Nehru wrote two desperate letters to JFK, requesting 12 squadrons of fighter jets. These jets were necessary to beef up Indian air strength so that an air war could be initiated safely from the Indian perspective. This request was rejected. According to former Indian diplomat G Parthasarathy, "only after we got nothing from the US did arms supplies from the Soviet Union to India commence." [57] In 1962, President of Pakistan Ayub Khan made clear to India that Indian troops could safely be transferred from the Pakistan frontier to the Himalayas.[58]"
[Note: I wrote this post in another thread. However, the chart on China's military strength is informative and I decided to post it as a reference for everyone.]
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The next Sino-Indian war will be fought with Chinese cruise missiles, short-range ballistic missiles (SRBMs), and multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS; 200 to 400km range). See excellent video below.
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China's growing strategic actions in the Middle East
2012-03-02 (China Military News cited from Reuters and by John Kemp) -- China's growing demand for imported oil, coupled with the development of new oil and gas supplies in North America, is set to transform the international security situation in the Middle East over the next 20 years.
That is the inescapable conclusion from an arresting slide in a presentation given by Maria van der Hoeven, executive director of the International Energy Agency (IEA), at a seminar on the future of energy in Mexico City on Feb. 29.
Slide 14 shows how "changing oil import needs shift concerns about oil security" based on IEA projections of net oil imports in 2035. (here)
U.S. oil imports are set to almost halve between 2000 and 2035 owing to rising domestic output from both conventional and shale fields, increased ethanol blending and improvements in vehicle efficiency. By 2035, the United States will be importing just 6 million barrels of oil per day (bpd), down from almost 11 million b/d in 2000.
In contrast, China's oil imports are set to surge from around 1 million bpd to more than 12 million by the end of the period. India's import needs will soar from less than 2 million bpd to around 7 million. Members of ASEAN will be importing almost 4 million bpd.
China will overtake the United States as the world's largest oil importer by around 2020, according to the IEA, with other Asian customers adding to regional import needs.
China relies on the Middle East and North Africa for almost half its oil imports, in contrast to the United States, which sources most crude and condensate from other countries in the western hemisphere, with extra supplies from West Africa.
The increasingly important commercial ties between China and major suppliers in the Middle East and Africa have been widely analysed. But China's growing import dependence also has a security dimension as it seeks to increase its influence in the region, which will undoubtedly lead to increased competition with the United States.
Following the end of the Cold War, the politics and international security of the Middle East have been dominated by the United States through a web of alliances with European powers, the Gulf monarchies and North African autocrats. Competition has come from Iraq (now removed), Libya (overthrown), Syria (engulfed in civil war), Iran and Islamist politicians and militant groups.
Primary U.S. interests in the region are threefold: oil security; a strong political, cultural and strategic alliance with Israel; and counter-terrorism.
Declining U.S. imports will not make the United States less interested in the Middle East. Oil trades in a global market. Regional developments still have the potential to affect the United States through their impact on prices. And the importance of its policies on Israel and counter-terrorism is unlikely to diminish.
But it will face heightened strategic competition from China and possibly other Asian powers as they seek to protect their interest in Middle East oil supplies. As China's import dependence rises, the country cannot afford to rely on a regional "pax Americana" to guarantee its most important source of fuel.
What form that strategic competition will take remains unclear and will be determined in the years ahead.
It need not be boots on the ground. But China is already seeking to enhance its capabilities for projecting power through the development of a deep water navy and has sent warships into the Indian ocean.
Like the United States and Britain before it, China will need to develop its naval capabilities to protect the most important supply lines through the Persian Gulf, the Indian Ocean, the Strait of Malacca and the South China Sea, as well as other supply routes across the Pacific.
On the diplomatic front, China's growing assertiveness in the region has been evident in its decision to veto a western-backed United Nations Security Council resolution on Syria, its blocking of further Security Council sanctions on Iran, and evident interest in the course of the confrontation between the western powers and Iran.
Secure access to the oil supplies of the Middle East is a matter of vital strategic concern, and its importance for China will only grow in the next two decades, as the IEA's chart shows.
China will have to develop the commercial, diplomatic and military capabilities to protect its vital interests - suggesting the recent rise in Chinese activity in the region is not an aberration but the start of a trend.
China Military News
2012-03-02 (China Military News cited from Reuters and by John Kemp) -- China's growing demand for imported oil, coupled with the development of new oil and gas supplies in North America, is set to transform the international security situation in the Middle East over the next 20 years.
That is the inescapable conclusion from an arresting slide in a presentation given by Maria van der Hoeven, executive director of the International Energy Agency (IEA), at a seminar on the future of energy in Mexico City on Feb. 29.
Slide 14 shows how "changing oil import needs shift concerns about oil security" based on IEA projections of net oil imports in 2035. (here)
U.S. oil imports are set to almost halve between 2000 and 2035 owing to rising domestic output from both conventional and shale fields, increased ethanol blending and improvements in vehicle efficiency. By 2035, the United States will be importing just 6 million barrels of oil per day (bpd), down from almost 11 million b/d in 2000.
In contrast, China's oil imports are set to surge from around 1 million bpd to more than 12 million by the end of the period. India's import needs will soar from less than 2 million bpd to around 7 million. Members of ASEAN will be importing almost 4 million bpd.
China will overtake the United States as the world's largest oil importer by around 2020, according to the IEA, with other Asian customers adding to regional import needs.
China relies on the Middle East and North Africa for almost half its oil imports, in contrast to the United States, which sources most crude and condensate from other countries in the western hemisphere, with extra supplies from West Africa.
The increasingly important commercial ties between China and major suppliers in the Middle East and Africa have been widely analysed. But China's growing import dependence also has a security dimension as it seeks to increase its influence in the region, which will undoubtedly lead to increased competition with the United States.
Following the end of the Cold War, the politics and international security of the Middle East have been dominated by the United States through a web of alliances with European powers, the Gulf monarchies and North African autocrats. Competition has come from Iraq (now removed), Libya (overthrown), Syria (engulfed in civil war), Iran and Islamist politicians and militant groups.
Primary U.S. interests in the region are threefold: oil security; a strong political, cultural and strategic alliance with Israel; and counter-terrorism.
Declining U.S. imports will not make the United States less interested in the Middle East. Oil trades in a global market. Regional developments still have the potential to affect the United States through their impact on prices. And the importance of its policies on Israel and counter-terrorism is unlikely to diminish.
But it will face heightened strategic competition from China and possibly other Asian powers as they seek to protect their interest in Middle East oil supplies. As China's import dependence rises, the country cannot afford to rely on a regional "pax Americana" to guarantee its most important source of fuel.
What form that strategic competition will take remains unclear and will be determined in the years ahead.
It need not be boots on the ground. But China is already seeking to enhance its capabilities for projecting power through the development of a deep water navy and has sent warships into the Indian ocean.
Like the United States and Britain before it, China will need to develop its naval capabilities to protect the most important supply lines through the Persian Gulf, the Indian Ocean, the Strait of Malacca and the South China Sea, as well as other supply routes across the Pacific.
On the diplomatic front, China's growing assertiveness in the region has been evident in its decision to veto a western-backed United Nations Security Council resolution on Syria, its blocking of further Security Council sanctions on Iran, and evident interest in the course of the confrontation between the western powers and Iran.
Secure access to the oil supplies of the Middle East is a matter of vital strategic concern, and its importance for China will only grow in the next two decades, as the IEA's chart shows.
China will have to develop the commercial, diplomatic and military capabilities to protect its vital interests - suggesting the recent rise in Chinese activity in the region is not an aberration but the start of a trend.
China Military News
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PLA Lightweight Laser Designator Rangefinder (LLDR)
A Chinese soldier operates a LLDR during a live-fire air defence exercise in Henan province.
The "LLDR accurately targets enemy positions during the day, at night and in nearly all battlefield conditions including haze, smoke, fog and rain. It provides an unique capability to forward observers....
Using an eye-safe laser wavelength, the system recognizes targets, finds the range to a target, and fixes target locations for laser-guided, GPS-guided, and conventional munitions. This lightweight, interoperable system uniquely provides range finding and targeting information to other digital battlefield systems."
A Chinese soldier operates a LLDR during a live-fire air defence exercise in Henan province.
The "LLDR accurately targets enemy positions during the day, at night and in nearly all battlefield conditions including haze, smoke, fog and rain. It provides an unique capability to forward observers....
Using an eye-safe laser wavelength, the system recognizes targets, finds the range to a target, and fixes target locations for laser-guided, GPS-guided, and conventional munitions. This lightweight, interoperable system uniquely provides range finding and targeting information to other digital battlefield systems."
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From left : Chinese Type 59, Type 80, Type 98 tanks & German Gepard SPAAG : accurate scale :
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Type 59 tank cutaway view showing ordnance shells inside the host's body :
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Dude, ask your real admiral how VN can defeat China easily first, before asking some stupid question.Martian2 said:
And you can also ask your General why he must retreat from Laosan mt. even when China was stronger than VN in 1992 and left 959 troop died in vain there.
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