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Chinese Arab people

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There are three families that I know of.


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@1:58+ ancestor's name was:
ShenSee Dinn = Shams-Ud-Deen = شمس الدين :)


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Arabian-Nights' Alaa-Deen(= Glory-of-Religion) was also an Arab-Chinese... It's characters have Arab names but plot involves China...

Hero = AlaDeen
Sorcerer from Maghreb (= West)
Aladdeen's late father Qaseem
Aladeen marries Princess Badroulbadour


Aladdin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Islam in China

Prophet Muhammad is said to have stated "Seek knowledge even if you have to go as far as China"

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Worshiping ancestor is Chinese, I do it with my family every Chinese new year. Not sure if Muslims do it too, but I'm sure Christians don't and probably forbidden to do it. ...
It's very strictly forbidden in Islam too. The very core of Islam is NOT worshipping anyone or anything EXCEPT the Creator. That why @3:40+ in OP's video guy said he couldn't get his mind around it...



Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3873
In-book reference : Book 63, Hadith 99
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 5, Book 58, Hadith 213


"Narrated `Aisha: Um Habiba and Um Salama mentioned a church they had seen in Ethiopia and in the church there were pictures. When they told the Prophet of this, he said, "Those people are such that if a pious man amongst them died, they build a place of worship over his grave and paint these pictures in it...."
 
@al-Hasani

I forgot that not all noble titles were abolished - in Taiwan there is still the title of "Sacrificial Official to Confucius". The Kong clan descended from Confucius is one of the largest families in China today and the main lineage has held noble titles for over 2,200 years

Duke Yansheng - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Confucius family tree unveiled - Telegraph

There are thousands of Muslims who are descended from Confucius, this article mentions only Yunnan province but there are 7,000 Muslims in northwestern provinces who belong to this clan.

New <EM>Confucius Genealogy</EM> out next year -- china.org.cn

Only the main lineage in Taiwan is eligible to hold the official title.
 
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@al-Hasani

I forgot that not all noble titles were abolished - in Taiwan there is still the title of "Sacrificial Official to Confucius". The Kong clan descended from Confucius is one of the largest families in China today and the main lineage has held noble titles for over 2,200 years

Duke Yansheng - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Confucius family tree unveiled - Telegraph

There are thousands of Muslims who are descended from Confucius, this article mentions only Yunnan province but there are 7,000 Muslims in northwestern provinces who belong to this clan.

New <EM>Confucius Genealogy</EM> out next year -- china.org.cn

Only the main lineage in Taiwan is eligible to hold the official title.

debazi hold to this one offsping of confucius with glee, with guilt, and with trepidation - because these treasonous bastards know this this single title can somehow conceal their treasonous ways and temporarily avoids for them grim death and the wrath of all righteous and pure blood chinese. but debazi know well that even this pretension to the "official" title and "official" lineage can only postpone their destruction for so long and their eventual massacre at mainland's hands is ineluctable destiny of all traitors and halfbreds like debazi and disingenuous cowards and liars with the rest of supposedly ngasanning like @Wholegrain. all well deserving of the ultimate punishment...
 
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debazi hold to this one offsping of confucius with glee, with guilt, and with trepidation - because these treasonous bastards know this this single title can somehow conceal their treasonous ways and temporarily avoids for them grim death and the wrath of all righteous and pure blood chinese. but debazi know well that even this pretension to the "official" title and "official" lineage can only postpone their destruction for so long and their eventual massacre at mainland's hands is ineluctable destiny of all traitors and halfbreds like debazi and disingenuous cowards and liars with the rest of supposedly ngasanning like @Wholegrain. all well deserving of the ultimate punishment...

Need more time off?

@Hu Songshan

iajj is in desperate need of a banhammer. I've been threatened by him with "assrape", murder, etc. and this is the second time I've seen him banned here, I think and he starts resuming the same behavior again when he gets unbanned.
 
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I've always found Korean and Japanese to look more "East Asian" than the average Chinese. There has been a lot of mixture in China over the years with neighbouring non mongoloid nations.
 
Yes, that is obvious but I was more referring to some local influence in any way. I assume that the majority of the Borjigin clan still live in their ancestral homeland of Mongolia and Manchuria?

So, the only Muslim descendants left of Genghis Khan are probably only the descendants of the Crimean Khanate rulers? (Giray dynasty)

Descent from Genghis Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Genghis Khan a Prolific Lover, DNA Data Implies
The Genetic Legacy of the Mongols
 
I've always found Korean and Japanese to look more "East Asian" than the average Chinese. There has been a lot of mixture in China over the years with neighbouring non mongoloid nations.

That is a subjective statement. What does it mean - look more "East Asian"? Of course China has been a very large melting pot for many thousands of years.

Both Japanese and Koreans had migrations from mainland Han areas as well as Manchu area's further north. But Japan being an island, the migrations happened mostly from areas nearer to it. While in Korea migrations happened by land and by sea. Manchu's and Evenki's are eastern neighbors of Mongols, known as Tungussics.

I have heard of at least one Indian princess at the origin of Kim dynasty in Korea and there were Arab Muslim trading outposts in Korean coastal areas that merged with Korean population.

Migration and mixing has been a part of human existence.
 
Very interesting video. Thank you very much. I started to watch similar videos from the same channel about Ningxia. I learnt that this is the main region of the Hui people. You have a lot of mosques I see too, some very ancient and unique in terms of architecture. Are you from Yinchuan, if I may ask?

They said in the video that the Hui people were descendants of Arab and Persian Muslims people that settled in Ningxia and intermarried with locals. How correct is that claim according to you?

The mosques have Arab and Persian influences, they also vary depending on the type of ethnic groups throughout the country.

Nope not from Yinchuan.

Fairly accurate mostly from traders or soldiers some are mixed and from Kazakhstan as well. Today you probably could not tell a hui apart from a han, only thing that separates them is the Islamic faith.

Need more time off?

@Hu Songshan

iajj is in desperate need of a banhammer. I've been threatened by him with "assrape", murder, etc. and this is the second time I've seen him banned here, I think and he starts resuming the same behavior again when he gets unbanned.

I can only mod in the Far East and Chinese defense can't do noting outside that.
 
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That is a subjective statement. What does it mean "East Asian"? Of course China has been a very large melting pot for many thousands of years.

Both Japanese and Koreans had migrations from mainland Han areas as well as Manchu area's further north. But Japan being an island, the migrations happened mostly from areas nearer to it. While in Korea migrations happened by land and by sea. Manchu's and Evenki's are eastern neighbors of Mongols, known as Tungussics.

I have heard of at least one Indian princess at the origin of Kim dynasty in Korea and there were Arab Muslim trading outposts in Korean coastal areas that merged with Korean population.

Migration and mixing has been a part of human existence.

Really? That sounds rather incredible given the long distances. Nearly as incredible as finding Arabs who mixed with the Inuits on Greenland, Papuans on Papua New Guinea or even the Japanese on Japan.

Do you have any sources that tell more about that?

The mosques have Arab and Persian influences, they also vary depending on the type of ethnic groups throughout the country.

Nope not from Yinchuan.

Fairly accurate mostly from traders or soldiers some are mixed and from Kazakhstan as well. Today you probably could not tell a hui apart from a han, only thing that separates them is the Islamic faith.



I can only mod in the Far East and Chinese defense can't do noting outside that.

Thank you very much. Yes, I saw that yesterday night when I researched a little. That is interesting indeed. Yes, today most have intermarried with Chinese looking people or their own mostly Chinese looking populations so they are hard to pick apart from the Han Chinese. After all the Arab settlements happened fairly long ago.

Some of the mosques are really colorful and special. I have to give you that. Are you from the Niangxia province then?
 
Really? That sounds rather incredible given the long distances. Nearly as incredible as finding Arabs who mixed with the Inuits on Greenland, Papuans on Papua New Guinea or even the Japanese on Japan.

Do you have any sources that tell more about that?

Kim (Korean name) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gimhae (Kimhae)
According to a story recorded only in the Samguk Yusa, in 48 CE, Princess Heo Hwang-ok travelled from a country called "Ayuda" to Korea, where she married King Suro of Geumgwan Gaya and gave birth to 10 children, thus starting the Kim dynasty of Geumgwan Gaya, the capital of which was in present-day Goryeong County. The country of Ayuda is often identified with Ayodhya in India.[2]
Famous ancient members of this clan, aside from the kings of Geumgwan Gaya, include the Silla general Kim Yu-shin. In the Unified Silla period, members of the Gimhae Kim family were admitted to all but the highest level of the Silla bone rank system.
This clan is by far the most populous of all Korean clans. The 2000 South Korean census found it to contain more than four million people.

Heo Hwang-ok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gimhae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam in Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The above link have detailed description and sources of Arab and Muslim settlement and individual migrants in Korea.

Offtopic:
Today, the biggest population of Muslims in Korea are Pakistani and Bangladeshi factory workers, their Korean wives and off springs. I heard there are at least 10,000 each of these kind of families. This is in addition to the tens of thousands of guest workers that arrive every year, work for 4-5 years and leave at the end of the term, under a govt. sponsored guest worker program.
 
Kim (Korean name) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Heo Hwang-ok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gimhae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam in Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The above link have detailed description and sources of Arab and Muslim settlement and individual migrants in Korea.

Offtopic:
Today, the biggest population of Muslims in Korea are Pakistani and Bangladeshi factory workers, their Korean wives and off springs. I heard there are at least 10,000 each of these kind of families. This is in addition to the tens of thousands of guest workers that arrive every year, work for 4-5 years and leave at the end of the term, under a govt. sponsored guest worker program.

That's amazing. Thank you. Valuable links. Will take a look at it tomorrow for sure. Sounds rather incredible indeed. Who would have thought? But we learn something new every day and should all do that.
 
Alot of Arabs were appointed as ambassadors by southeast asian kingdoms to China during the Song dynasty and brought gifts from the Kings. Those kingdoms included Champa and Srivijaya.

From Ancient Cham to Modern Dialects: Two Thousand Years of Language Contact ... - Graham Thurgood - Google Books

The Indianized States of South-East Asia - George Cœdès - Google Books

The Vermilion Bird - Edward Hetzel Schafer - Google Books

A History of Early Southeast Asia: Maritime Trade and Societal Development ... - Kenneth R. Hall - Google Books

Alot of merchants from southeast asia had the surname Pu

Song Blue and White Porcelain on the Silk Road - Adam T. Kessler - Google Books

Song Blue and White Porcelain on the Silk Road - Adam T. Kessler - Google Books

Also read this article about how Islam came to Brunei

The golden history of Islam in Brunei | The Brunei Times

The golden history of Islam in Brunei


A man with his son heading to Jame Asr' Hassanil Bolkiah to attend the Friday prayers. Muslim men are obligated to participate in Friday prayers, also known as Jumu'ah. Pictures: BT/Rudolf Portillo and Raul Padernal
ROZAN YUNOS
BANDAR SERI BEGAWAN
Monday, March 8, 2010

IT has been debated when Islam actually first arrived in Brunei. A number of relics showed that Islam could actually be practised in Brunei by the 12th century.

Amongst these were tombstones found in the various Islamic graveyards in Brunei particularly the one at Rangas which showed one with a Chinese Muslim by the name of Pu Kung Chih-mu. He was buried there in 1264. This is more than a hundred years earlier before the conversion of Awang Alak Betatas as the Islamic Sultan Muhammad Shah, the first Sultan of Brunei.

Pu is the common surname which according to Chinese historians identified them as someone who is a Muslim. The tombstone also identified Pu Kung Chih-mu as one who had originated from Chuan-chou City in China. During the Sung Dynasty, Arab and Persian Traders flocked to the Kwang Chow (Canton) in Kwangtung Province and Chuan-chou in Fukien Province.

It was not the only Chinese Muslim grave there. In another grave nearby belonged to another Chinese Muslim by the name of Li Chia-tzu from Yung Chun (Fukian) who died in 1876. Yung Chun is also another city in China where Muslim travellers frequently trade.

According to Chinese records, stated in the "Notes on the Malay Archipelago and Malacca Compiled From Chinese Sources" written by WP Groeneveldt in 1880, one Chinese Islamic trader arrived in Brunei in the 10th century. His name was P'u-lu-shieh. He was both a trader and a diplomat. SQ Fatimi writing in the Sociological Research Institute in Singapore in 1963 under an article entitled "Islam Comes to Malaysia", P'u-lu-shieh name is akin to Abu al-Layth.

The Brunei King at that time was named Hiang-ta. The arrival of the diplomat-trader from China was greeted with great ceremony. If this is so, Islam has actually arrived in Brunei in the year of 977.

One may discount the fact that the Muslim diplomat-trader did not do anything in Brunei but merely brought greetings and therefore one should not read too much into this. However the interesting thing was that the Brunei King's delegation to China to return the Emperor's greetings was headed by another Muslim by the name of P'u A-li (Abu Ali).

Based on this fact alone, Abu Ali must have held an important position in the Brunei Government if he was tasked to be Brunei's Ambassador in those days and even if the King of Brunei then was not himself a Muslim, some members of his royal court were Muslims.

A number of European historians claimed that Brunei was still not a Muslim nation until the 15th century. However, the Ming Shih, Book 325, a Chinese reference book noted that the King of Brunei in 1370 was Ma-ho-mo-sa. Some say that this should be read as Mahmud Shah. But local Brunei historians take this to refer to "Muhammad Shah" the first Islamic Sultan of Brunei.

Robert Nicholl, a former Brunei Museum Curator argued in another paper entitled "Notes on Some Controversial Issues in Brunei History" in 1980 that the name Ma-ho-mo-sa could be pronounced as Maha Moksha which means Great Eternity. Maha Mokhsa would make it a Buddhist name. Nicholl goes on to argue that even the Brunei Sultan who died in Nanjing in 1408 was not a Muslim. Another European Historian, Pelliot, Ma-na-jo-kia-nai-nai was reconstituted as Majarajah Gyana (nai). But the closest title would have been Maharaja Karna. However Brunei historians have stated that the King was Sultan Abdul Majid Hassan who would have been the second Sultan of Brunei.

Nicholl further argued that Sultan Muhammad Shah converted to Islam as late as the 16th century and not during the 14th century as is widely known. However according to Brunei historians, Sultan Muhammad Shah converted to Islam in 1376 and that he ruled until 1402. After which time, it was Sultan Abdul Majid Hassan, who died in China who ascended the throne. That was when Sultan Ahmad reigned in Brunei beginning 1406.

Most likely there were two waves of Islamic teachings that came to Brunei. The first was brought by traders from Arabia, Persia, India and China. The second wave was brought about by the conversion of Sultan Muhammad Shah. With the coming of the second wave, Brunei's Islamisation hastened.

!The propogation of Islam in Brunei was led by a Syarif with the name of Syarif Ali who was a descendant from Rasulullah S.A.W. through his grandsons Sayydinia Hassan or Sayydinia Hussin.

Syarif Ali arrived from Taif. Not long after he arrived in Brunei, he was married to a daughter of Sultan Ahmad. Syarif Ali built a mosque in Brunei. Syarif Ali was closely connected to a few other well known Islam propogationist in the region such as Malik Ibrahim who went to Java, Syarif Zainal Abidin in Malacca, Syarif Abu Bakar or Syariful Hashim in Sulu and Syarif Kebungsuan in Mindanoa.

Syarif Ali ascended the throne as the third Sultan of Brunei when he took over from his father-in-law. Because of his piousness, he was known as Sultan Berkat (Berkat means 'blessed').

The mosque especially the pulpit was used by Sultan Syarif Ali himself. Sultan Syarif Ali himself conducted the sermons during Friday prayers. So he was not only the Sultan but he was also the Imam and brought the religion directly to the Brunei people.

According to Thomas Stamford Raffles in his book "The History of Java", the Islamic activities of Sultan Syarif Ali was not limited to Brunei. He was also known to have gone over to Java to propagate Islam where he was known as Raja Chermin. He tried hard to convert the Majapahit King named Prabu Angka Wijaya.

The efforts of the Brunei Sultans in spreading Islam helped to spread Islam not only in Borneo but also as far north as to the southern Philippines islands. When Malacca fell to the Portuguese in 1511, it was Brunei which played a major role in the spread of Islam in the region.

By the 16th century, Brunei had built one of her biggest mosques. In 1578, Alonso Beltran, a Spanish traveller described it as one of five storeys tall built on the water. Most likely it had five layers of roofs to represent the five pillars of Islam.

Islam was firmly rooted in Brunei by the 16th century. This mosque was unfortunately destroyed by the Spanish in June that same year.

By the time of Sultan Hassan, Brunei's ninth Sultan, Brunei had the Islamic laws incorporated into the Brunei canons. Pengiran Dato Dr Hj Mohammad writing a Malay article entitled "Kemasukan Islam ke Brunei Darussalam dan Undang-Undangnya" (Arrival of Islam in Brunei Darussalam and the Laws) noted that out of the 47 chapters of the Brunei canons, 27 of those chapters had Islamic elements.

Islam lived on in Brunei till today and with the Constitution in 1959, Islam became Brunei's Offical Religion.

The writer runs a website on Brunei at bruneiresources.com.

The Brunei Times

Ming dynasty China had good relations with the southeast asian Muslim states. After the Portuguese conquered the Malacca Sultanate the Portuguese were attacked in revenge by the Ming navy and were defeated twice.

Malayan

First Battle of Tamao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Second Battle of Tamao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Alot of Arabs were appointed as ambassadors by southeast asian kingdoms to China during the Song dynasty and brought gifts from the Kings. Those kingdoms included Champa and Srivijaya.

From Ancient Cham to Modern Dialects: Two Thousand Years of Language Contact ... - Graham Thurgood - Google Books

The Indianized States of South-East Asia - George C&#339;dès - Google Books

The Vermilion Bird - Edward Hetzel Schafer - Google Books

A History of Early Southeast Asia: Maritime Trade and Societal Development ... - Kenneth R. Hall - Google Books

Alot of merchants from southeast asia had the surname Pu

Song Blue and White Porcelain on the Silk Road - Adam T. Kessler - Google Books

Song Blue and White Porcelain on the Silk Road - Adam T. Kessler - Google Books

Also read this article about how Islam came to Brunei

The golden history of Islam in Brunei | The Brunei Times



Ming dynasty China had good relations with the southeast asian Muslim states. After the Portuguese conquered the Malacca Sultanate the Portuguese were attacked in revenge by the Ming navy and were defeated twice.

Malayan

First Battle of Tamao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Second Battle of Tamao - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You are amazing. Thanks. Will have to do some serious reading once again. A pleasure to learn more.
 

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