Chineese Yuan Class Submarine Went Through Indian Territorial Waters Undetected

[ayesha.a]

Yeah you built so many of bullshits, high density of stations and find nothing, aren't them the shits?

Please remember to take your medications regularly.

 

[Beidou2020]

Thats the problem with Chinese like you, who learnt world history only from PDF.

As opposed to the learning from the Hindu propaganda apparatus?

 

[aks18]

yeah we are so poor and uneducated. You know aliens gifted us INS Arihant, and they are building 4 more for us.
Also martians fro venus came and are building two aircraft carriers for us as well, one of which will be commisioned in 2017 i.e. INS Vikrant.
Ohhhh, but i forgot, how can we use it? we dont even know how to use it. Damn, i think indian navy should hire you to teach us how to use it.

i dont know what supa pawa navy you indians have chinese alone owns 69 submarines i wonder how you guys gona tackle such a huge fleet of submarines and surface ships destroyers etc

1 aircraft carrier
3 amphibious transport docks
27 landing ship tanks
31 landing ship medium
24 destroyers
48 frigates
22 corvettes
109 missile boats
94 submarine chasers
17 gunboats
28 mine countermeasure vessels
69 submarines
10 replenishment ships
(232 auxiliaries)

People's Liberation Army Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and the way chinese are moving ahead with developments in armed forces indians have to invest all of their money into countering china in numbers

 

[OrionHunter]

92 News(HD) is reporting that a chineese yuann class submarine came to Karachi through indian territorial waters undetected.It stayed at karachi port for one weak with its 65 member crew.Also this move by chineese submarine has has shown the capabilities of indian anti submarine capabilities

Utter bullshit!

It was in International waters and that's why India could not take up the matter with the Chinese.

 

[Mukunda Murthi Rao]

i dont know what supa pawa navy you indians have chinese alone owns 69 submarines i wonder how you guys gona tackle such a huge fleet of submarines and surface ships destroyers etc

1 aircraft carrier
3 amphibious transport docks
27 landing ship tanks
31 landing ship medium
24 destroyers
48 frigates
22 corvettes
109 missile boats
94 submarine chasers
17 gunboats
28 mine countermeasure vessels
69 submarines
10 replenishment ships
(232 auxiliaries)

People's Liberation Army Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and the way chinese are moving ahead with developments in armed forces indians have to invest all of their money into countering china in numbers

We dont need to counter all of these sir, we can just choke you and your supplies at the straits of mallaca.
And i forgot, all these will not be sent to fight with us, will they? I dont think japan and USA will just be watching when you empty your south china sea.

 

[kaku1]

As opposed to the learning from the Hindu propaganda apparatus?

Nope, but obviously as opposed to the learning from the CCP propaganda apparatus.

 

[aks18]

We dont need to counter all of these sir, we can just choke you and your supplies at the straits of mallaca.
And i forgot, all these will not be sent to fight with us, will they? I dont think japan and USA will just be watching when you empty your south china sea.

so you looking at USA for help now if chinese banged you deep well we will stand with china i think your navy size suites to fight with pakistan only you are out of league against china in naval fleet imagine two neighboring countries banging you with state of the art weapon what USA can do for you ?? USA will sink into deep hole if stands against china if i am not wrong both countries are having trade more than you indians could have imagined with USA

8 chinese submarines in pak navy in near future will be enough for your mighty blue water navy

 

[Beidou2020]

We dont need to counter all of these sir, we can just choke you and your supplies at the straits of mallaca.
And i forgot, all these will not be sent to fight with us, will they? I dont think japan and USA will just be watching when you empty your south china sea.

In addition to the existing military assets China has, China right now has the biggest military build up of any country in the world and its getting faster due to the island disputes.
China is using its massive and growing military budget ($250 billion per year unofficially) and its industrial might (largest industrial power) to build advanced naval, air, army, missile, space and other assets that will leave India in the dust in the years and decades to come.

India ain't touching the Chinese military in the 21st century.

 

[aks18]

In addition to the existing military assets China has, China right now has the biggest military build up of any country in the world and its getting faster due to the island disputes.
China is using its massive and growing military budget ($250 billion per year unofficially) and its industrial might (largest industrial power) to build advanced naval, air, army, missile, space and other assets that will leave India in the dust in the years and decades to come.

India ain't touching the Chinese military in the 21st century.

number of chinese nuclear submarines are more than of indian conventional submarines now i came to know why india is supa powa

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

i dont know what supa pawa navy you indians have chinese alone owns 69 submarines i wonder how you guys gona tackle such a huge fleet of submarines and surface ships destroyers etc

1 aircraft carrier
3 amphibious transport docks
27 landing ship tanks
31 landing ship medium
24 destroyers
48 frigates
22 corvettes
109 missile boats
94 submarine chasers
17 gunboats
28 mine countermeasure vessels
69 submarines
10 replenishment ships
(232 auxiliaries)

People's Liberation Army Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and the way chinese are moving ahead with developments in armed forces indians have to invest all of their money into countering china in numbers

Lets see what are the combat ships that are actually relevant from the above for a fight in IOR.
1 )Repainted casino which shut down during trials even in china sea.How about travelling all the way to IOR and doing sustained ops there.
2) 24 destroyers - 6 of them are obsolete 70s era ships with less displacement than our frigates.That leaves 19 good ships.This is the only formidable part of the PLAN.
3)The smaller ships corvettes,gunboats and missile boats etc don't have the range for such ops.
4)Among ur vaunted 69 submarines,you have only 5 relatively modern type 093 SSNs.Diesel subs are useless for operations in IOR.5 submarines -lol.
5)Out of 48 frigates,13 are old modified soviet riga class typ53 with pathetic 2000 ton displacement and insignificant armament.Its less displacement than our corvettes.
Another 14 are upgraded type 53H3 .These are only marginally better at 2400 ton displacement.Even our oldest frigates ,the brahmaputra class are 3900 tonnes not these pathetic glorified corvettes.
That leaves 24 modern frigates of the type 054A which are the only threat.

So 1 carrier,19 destroyers,5 submarines and 24 frigates -and this is assuming the chinese sail their entire modern navy into the IOR leaving their shores largely defenceless.Oh and you don't have enough replenishment vessels to supply all that simultaneously in long range thousands of miles away at sea atm without naval bases to refuel and redock in which u don't have and even if u secure one in pak/SL will be irrelevant in wartime because IN will fight u at the entrance of IOR around andaman making whatever bases u have further inwards irrelevant.But look at the bright side,after we annihilate the chinese task force..perhaps the battered remnants can go hide and take refuge there.

In contrast we can use our entire diesel electric submarine fleet plus our corvettes being close to our coasts.
Our 13 diesel subs plus 1 akula( not counting 6 scorpenes starting sea trials serially).
2 aircraft carriers.
10 destroyers.
15 frigates.
Our oldest frigates are 3900 tonnes and our newest ones are 6200 tonnes making them all but destroyers.
Plus all the corvettes and missile boats -25 odd.

Add to this our unsinkable carrier andaman and nicobar islands.When the chinese forces entering IOR are attacked by the indian surface fleet from above..mig-29ks and salvoes of brahmos and klubs.Add to that our diesel subs waiting in ambush at the chokepoints,exocets and klubs from underwater as well.Then Maritime aircaft such as poseidons and tu-142s with harpoons from above flying from south india.And above all wave after wave of sukhoi-30mkis with air launched brahmos firing in saturation mode operating from bases in south india and andaman...we will see how long a force lasts against such 3 dimensional non stop assault.
Meanwhile we will continue to sink chinese oil tankers from the gulf for fun as usual.

So you have spent many billion dollars building up ur navy,if u want it all down the drain in one go..by all means attack us in IOR.Or face reality that PLAN is an insignificant factor in IOR atm.IN is top dog in IOR,deal with it.Only USN have the power to dislodge us.

 

[Sneaker]

Give it some time, pak media will report that the chinese sub docked in mumbai, bought supplies and left, all the while being undetected...

 

[Penguin]

We can't know for sure, but it is reasonable to assume that it could not have sailed undetected. Look at the sheer number of monitoring stations and chain of sensors the IN has set up after 26/11/2009. Especially on the A&N islands and the vicinity of the Malacca straits. Unless PLAN circumnavigated the earth, they could not have entered the IOR undetected.

I replied to the statement "They didn't detect that sub, the presence has not been identified until the sub supplied in Karachi." I didn't therefor claim it sailed undetected. So I can't quite place you comment in that context. On the other hand, just as we don't know it wasn't detected , we don't know is was detected. (and either way, why would you make your potential opponent wise about your capabilities?) I wouldn't place complete trust in sensors and potentially uinderestimate a potential foe.

 

[Spectre]

Lets see what are the combat ships that are actually relevant from the above for a fight in IOR.
1 )Repainted casino which shut down during trials even in china sea.How about travelling all the way to IOR and doing sustained ops there.
2) 24 destroyers - 6 of them are obsolete 70s era ships with less displacement than our frigates.That leaves 19 good ships.This is the only formidable part of the PLAN.
3)The smaller ships corvettes,gunboats and missile boats etc don't have the range for such ops.
4)Among ur vaunted 69 submarines,you have only 5 relatively modern type 093 SSNs.Diesel subs are useless for operations in IOR.5 submarines -lol.
5)Out of 48 frigates,13 are old modified soviet riga class typ53 with pathetic 2000 ton displacement and insignificant armament.Its less displacement than our corvettes.
Another 14 are upgraded type 53H3 .These are only marginally better at 2400 ton displacement.Even our oldest frigates ,the brahmaputra class are 3900 tonnes not these pathetic glorified corvettes.
That leaves 24 modern frigates of the type 054A which are the only threat.

So 1 carrier,19 destroyers,5 submarines and 24 frigates -and this is assuming the chinese sail their entire modern navy into the IOR leaving their shores largely defenceless.Oh and you don't have enough replenishment vessels to supply all that simultaneously in long range thousands of miles away at sea atm without naval bases to refuel and redock in which u don't have and even if u secure one in pak/SL will be irrelevant in wartime because IN will fight u at the entrance of IOR around andaman making whatever bases u have further inwards irrelevant.But look at the bright side,after we annihilate the chinese task force..perhaps the battered remnants can go hide and take refuge there.

In contrast we can use our entire diesel electric submarine fleet plus our corvettes being close to our coasts.
Our 13 diesel subs plus 1 akula( not counting 6 scorpenes starting sea trials serially).
2 aircraft carriers.
10 destroyers.
15 frigates.
Our oldest frigates are 3900 tonnes and our newest ones are 6200 tonnes making them all but destroyers.
Plus all the corvettes and missile boats -25 odd.

Add to this our unsinkable carrier andaman and nicobar islands.When the chinese forces entering IOR are attacked by the indian surface fleet from above..mig-29ks and salvoes of brahmos and klubs.Add to that our diesel subs waiting in ambush at the chokepoints,exocets and klubs from underwater as well.Then Maritime aircaft such as poseidons and tu-142s with harpoons from above flying from south india.And above all wave after wave of sukhoi-30mkis with air launched brahmos firing in saturation mode operating from bases in south india and andaman...we will see how long a force lasts against such 3 dimensional non stop assault.
Meanwhile we will continue to sink chinese oil tankers from the gulf for fun as usual.

So you have spent many billion dollars building up ur navy,if u want it all down the drain in one go..by all means attack us in IOR.Or face reality that PLAN is an insignificant factor in IOR atm.IN is top dog in IOR,deal with it.Only USN have the power to dislodge us.

Excellent Reply. Anyway making your enemy underestimate you is winning half the battle.

Chinese are way ahead of us in Submarine tech - that's the fact but there is only so much they can improve without access to US levels of tech. Right now they can catch or be marginally better than Russian tech but that's it.

That's why our defense cooperation with US is so important and getting access to aircraft carrier designs, nuclear engines, and EMALS so that even if we don't match Chinese in numbers we can more than defend ourselves with fewer numbers but better tech.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Lets see what are the combat ships that are actually relevant from the above for a fight in IOR.
1 )Repainted casino which shut down during trials even in china sea.How about travelling all the way to IOR and doing sustained ops there.
2) 24 destroyers - 6 of them are obsolete 70s era ships with less displacement than our frigates.That leaves 19 good ships.This is the only formidable part of the PLAN.
3)The smaller ships corvettes,gunboats and missile boats etc don't have the range for such ops.
4)Among ur vaunted 69 submarines,you have only 5 relatively modern type 093 SSNs.Diesel subs are useless for operations in IOR.5 submarines -lol.
5)Out of 48 frigates,13 are old modified soviet riga class typ53 with pathetic 2000 ton displacement and insignificant armament.Its less displacement than our corvettes.
Another 14 are upgraded type 53H3 .These are only marginally better at 2400 ton displacement.Even our oldest frigates ,the brahmaputra class are 3900 tonnes not these pathetic glorified corvettes.
That leaves 24 modern frigates of the type 054A which are the only threat.

So 1 carrier,19 destroyers,5 submarines and 24 frigates -and this is assuming the chinese sail their entire modern navy into the IOR leaving their shores largely defenceless.Oh and you don't have enough replenishment vessels to supply all that simultaneously in long range thousands of miles away at sea atm without naval bases to refuel and redock in which u don't have and even if u secure one in pak/SL will be irrelevant in wartime because IN will fight u at the entrance of IOR around andaman making whatever bases u have further inwards irrelevant.But look at the bright side,after we annihilate the chinese task force..perhaps the battered remnants can go hide and take refuge there.

In contrast we can use our entire diesel electric submarine fleet plus our corvettes being close to our coasts.
Our 13 diesel subs plus 1 akula( not counting 6 scorpenes starting sea trials serially).
2 aircraft carriers.
10 destroyers.
15 frigates.
Our oldest frigates are 3900 tonnes and our newest ones are 6200 tonnes making them all but destroyers.
Plus all the corvettes and missile boats -25 odd.

Add to this our unsinkable carrier andaman and nicobar islands.When the chinese forces entering IOR are attacked by the indian surface fleet from above..mig-29ks and salvoes of brahmos and klubs.Add to that our diesel subs waiting in ambush at the chokepoints,exocets and klubs from underwater as well.Then Maritime aircaft such as poseidons and tu-142s with harpoons from above flying from south india.And above all wave after wave of sukhoi-30mkis with air launched brahmos firing in saturation mode operating from bases in south india and andaman...we will see how long a force lasts against such 3 dimensional non stop assault.
Meanwhile we will continue to sink chinese oil tankers from the gulf for fun as usual.

So you have spent many billion dollars building up ur navy,if u want it all down the drain in one go..by all means attack us in IOR.Or face reality that PLAN is an insignificant factor in IOR atm.IN is top dog in IOR,deal with it.Only USN have the power to dislodge us.

he is a Pakistani

8 chinese submarines in pak navy in near future will be enough for your mighty blue water navy

Certainly they would

Just as how 7 Pakistani navy submarines were enough to destroy half of Indian navy in 1971

 

[Superboy]

A sub is small. An ocean is big. Trying to find a sub in an ocean is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Need at least 1,000 P-8Is to cover the entire ocean.