@Dubious @beijingwalker @Pakhtoon yum
I have a questions for you guys, but first, as China and Pakistan started getting close due to Pakistan being squeezed by the US, and Pakistan having no other options but fully embracing the Chinese camp, these situations and discussions are bound to happen. It's a very good and healthy thing but the problem is others will try to stir your soup before you could put ingredients properly (here soup is your online discussion and ingredients are your arguments), and you should be aware of that. China and Pakistan are 2 very different societies, there will be issues and there will be conflicts, these discussions will help resolve all the mindful questions if kept peaceful and civilized like an educational camp or a concentration camp if you call it.
My question here is towards
@Dubious and
@Pakhtoon yum,
Why do you believe that Western propaganda videos that you believe in so much are actually what they tell you they are? and not believe in Chinese propaganda videos? (Here I am calling all those promoted videos as propaganda as I have no means of verifying that those are really what they are).
@Pakhtoon yum asked
@beijingwalker very authoritatively to go to Xinjiang to prove all the western videos as false and propaganda, he would but why not first you prove that those propaganda videos are actually telling the truth. Why don't you go to Xinjiang and prove that all is well or not?
We had a transport business between China and Pakistan, (our business was even used by Pak Army in Kargil War
, won't go too much in details here), Pakistani drivers/businessmen go to Xinjiang, tell me which one brought back a shred of evidence that this western propaganda is true?
@beijingwalker, when you say everything in Xinjiang is peaceful and no forceful education is going on, and then you post a video of girls dancing around, in your mind you thing look it's so peaceful, but to a Pakistani, you took the head scarf from that girl, took the place mate from her to pray to Allah and handed her over a guitar, that is not acceptable to us. Muslims don't really do well if you try to re-educate us, but hey it's your country if those Muslims have any problem, they will raise their voice and you will/should listen to them.
Important point of all Pakistanis:
Problem with Chinese is that they are straight forward people, while English is not their native language, so couple this with the way most of the time we Pakistanis say things in a very ambiguous way, which becomes very hard for them to properly interpret to the exact meaning that were in the our head while speaking it.
I am saying this because I chose a Chinese dominant community here in US to live in and to buy my house in, and they are all around me so I have a lot of interaction with them on per day basis. I will tell a joke and that will go right above in the air, and now I know I have to tell a straight forward joke any ambiguous joke won't cut it with them. I will beg to the Pakistani community here on PDF to be straight forward with our Chinese friends, at least when discussion is serious.