China's Vanishing Muslims - Undercover agent in Xinjiang

[Rafi]

Oh nothing like argumentum ad hominem to get a false sense of winning an argument, Rafi the Muslim who loves China.

Instead of yapping blah blah, watch the video and then comment on it.

By the way, for a Muslim to believe in reincarnation, he becomes a Kafir immediately because you don't believe in the afterlife. So make up your mind.

Or maybe you didn't know what Pakistanis believe in? I don't even know who the hell you are and you already know i am reincarnated?

Funny



Because a Muslim especially Pakistani is physically incapable of standing against oppression and somehow love for China is ingrained in their veins.

You CPC lovers crack me up. Everything is a propaganda to you except the real propaganda by CPC.

You don't have a response to the video which shows clearly the police state, the open prison that Xinjiang is for Uighurs and the tactic you use is cut still images from the video. I guess this is how CPC does propaganda. You can even make a torture film pretty mild if you cut parts of it and shows images.

Blah, blah, blah, why you ashamed of your injun flag, Mr Jack sparrow, I see you bud.

 

[Nan Yang]

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This is what a trip in a "shut down" and "oppressed" major Chinese tourist hub and a "terrified" "journalist" looks like according to Western Propaganda when you cut out the scary music and narration.

The fact that she can travel around Kashgar wearing like that tells you alot.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

You live in the UK, the most free and happy place for a Muslim to be today.

What if the UK police confiscated your camera and forced you to delete your footage of mosques and tourist places?

What if some creepy government person followed you and when questioned wouldn't even answer and still continue to follow you?

What if a couple cars keep following you wherever you go?

What if you land in UK and the people in government office tell each other to keep a strict on you because you took some photographs and questioned people?

What if while you are talking to some random strangers on streets, UK police and intelligence personnel tell you to not do that?

What if you're told to get the fck away from UK because you're photographing and interviewing people?

What if there are cameras everywhere and you're being watched and you wonder if you even have privacy in your home?

Then i want to know what you would say then. You would cry oppression, oppression.

If you're a Muslim, shame on you because our religion tells us to speak against oppression and be just even if it's against ourselves.

Put yourself in that girls position.

Not even India is as bad as Urumqi and Kashgar are. I see Azaan being heard in India.

What i see in that video is something i imagine Hitlers Nazi style Germany for Jews. My God, i still can't believe this is happening in 2019. We've been used to so much freedom.

Even in KPK when the war was going on in waziristan, things were lively and army didn’t meddle in every damn thing.

This is just unbelievable.

The biggest Muslim region in Xinjiang, the biggest mosque and not one nemazi seen, not a single call to prayer. Disgusting

There are cameras everywhere though. We are spied on. Ordinary citizens in UK are trained to behave like secret agents and inform reeducation administrators or the police if another citizen engages in a variety of behaviours or speech deemed questionable. Uniformed police are fewer because we are BRAINWASHED into policing each other over ridiculous things.

Where else is questioning Zionism likely to cause you to lose your job?? Do you see the pandemonium in the labour party?? Not because of holocaust deniers or antisemitism, but because now, you cannot say that the Zionist proposals of herzl or the balfour declaration or mountbatten's legacy might .... might just have been questionable!!

It is very prim and proper now to report any questioning of Israeli policies as "antisemitism".

The west is a mad mad anti-Muslim place. India is a junior version of that.

China isn't anti-Muslim because it isn't emotionally involved with either Zionism, Christian fundamentalists or Hindutva. It doesn't have an inferiority complex over Islam. It simply cracks down on separatism.

Indeed, Christian fundamentalists are giving China a far greater headache in hk than the uighurs are now.

You questioned my status as a Muslim and not speaking "against oppression".... Here's news for you.... A China-centric world will not be oppressive against muslims. China has the potential to be a true partner to Muslim nations, one that treats our nations with respect, without historical and emotional baggage that biases them against us, and that looks for mutual benefit rather than simple exploitation and constant wars for the brainwashing sham of "democracy". Anyone who doesn't see that is being disingenuous on purpose. Snowden and Assange were right about this bs facade we live in.

All you sjw's need to remember... Western nations and India do NOT give any value to Muslim blood. We are worth LESS if we die in a dilapidated building on some Mumbai slum or as part of a campaign on the middle east to make oil prices 10 cents less. It's just beyond me and it beggars belief that people here forget what the west and India do to Muslims SPECIFICALLY. In India, friggin war veterans get no respite from anti-Muslim abuses even, despite having fought for the Hindutva state. They get alerted to the authorities by their islamophobic neighbours even!! It truly beggars belief.

Is it just me who wonders why it is, when the IRA or ETA wage terrorism against UK or Spain, the response has never ever been "let's turn Catholic areas or the Basque region into a carpark!"?? Why are the western nations happy to use soft power on fellow Christians and whites, but against Muslims let's strafe them with every weapon we have and any kids who die are collateral damage, or it's the fault of the terrorists for hiding behind them blah blah.

You need to snap out of this zombie trance and realize that Hindutva, Zionism and Christian fundamentalists will never ever consider you as one of them or equal in terms of the value of your blood. From what I have seen, China and perhaps communists in general will treat everyone the same.

 

[fisher1]

Blah, blah, blah, why you ashamed of your injun flag, Mr Jack sparrow, I see you bud.

Huh? @Dubious i feel like he's just trolling at this point. If you've suspicions of me being another account of some member here, contact the mods and they would be able to help you.

I shouldn't have entertained you in the first place. Nonsensical crap

I'm brainlessly parotting cheap CPC propaganda lies and slander to hide Chinese oppression on Muslims

The bold part tells the slight difference in what you're doing while accusing me of similar things.

 

[Dubious]

Blah, blah, blah, why you ashamed of your injun flag, Mr Jack sparrow, I see you bud.

Rafi bro due to his difference in view doesn't make him an Indian...Please don't troll...

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Oh yeah, it's all zionist media. Except even in my country i can roam freely near military installations and interview people and the most I'll get from army officers there are a friendly greeting and a gentle reminder that i shouldn't be so close. That's how people act in free countries where the government isn't re-enacting a holocaust and afraid of what the public might find out.

Meanwhile, In the free Xinjiang province in the middle of the free city, interviewing the free people, you get a bunch of Chinese police/army thugs who detain you, tell you to shut the fick up, scare the crap out of you and seize your camera footage. Then they get on your *** and follow you and tell you explicitly you're under suspicion.

Why? Because you talked to a bunch of people and photographed the city.

You think we don't understand why the Chinese are doing this? Because they are

A) Torturing Uighurs in Nazi style concentration camps
B) Separating children from Uighur mothers and raising them in Chinese communist propaganda incubation centres so the next generation would be devoid of Islam.
C) Harvesting Uighurs organs, raping them and treating them like human appliances ready for different uses
D) God knows what other sick things are being committed by China

The whole of Urumqi and Kashgar is a gigantic open prison for Uighurs and China is giving this perception of nothing is happening by allowing tourists but with extreme surveillance and not allowing them to photograph anything except abandoned mosques and tourist spots and not even talk to people.

That's how a government that has to hide everything acts. The whole city looked like a prison. The number of cameras everywhere, the police/army following her. Exactly how a prison is and how a government would act if its scared of someone finding something out

Well this is China. I guess it is the “new normal” for the police to roam around the streets ripping cell phones out of people’s hands and erasing footage. Obviously there is nothing to hide as the Uighurs are all happy dancing in their “free voluntary vocational training” centers.

The police probably do this everywhere in China. No taking pictures of happy people!!!!! You are simply seeing things that aren’t there.

 

[fisher1]

There are cameras everywhere though. We are spied on. Ordinary citizens in UK are trained to behave like secret agents and inform reeducation administrators or the police if another citizen engages in a variety of behaviours or speech deemed questionable. Uniformed police are fewer because we are BRAINWASHED into policing each other over ridiculous things.

Where else is questioning Zionism likely to cause you to lose your job?? Do you see the pandemonium in the labour party?? Not because of holocaust deniers or antisemitism, but because now, you cannot say that the Zionist proposals of herzl or the balfour declaration or mountbatten's legacy might .... might just have been questionable!!

It is very prim and proper now to report any questioning of Israeli policies as "antisemitism".

The west is a mad mad anti-Muslim place. India is a junior version of that.

China isn't anti-Muslim because it isn't emotionally involved with either Zionism, Christian fundamentalists or Hindutva. It doesn't have an inferiority complex over Islam. It simply cracks down on separatism.

Indeed, Christian fundamentalists are giving China a far greater headache in hk than the uighurs are now.

You questioned my status as a Muslim and not speaking "against oppression".... Here's news for you.... A China-centric world will not be oppressive against muslims. China has the potential to be a true partner to Muslim nations, one that treats our nations with respect, without historical and emotional baggage that biases them against us, and that looks for mutual benefit rather than simple exploitation and constant wars for the brainwashing sham of "democracy". Anyone who doesn't see that is being disingenuous on purpose. Snowden and Assange were right about this bs facade we live in.

All you sjw's need to remember... Western nations and India do NOT give any value to Muslim blood. We are worth LESS if we die in a dilapidated building on some Mumbai slum or as part of a campaign on the middle east to make oil prices 10 cents less. It's just beyond me and it beggars belief that people here forget what the west and India do to Muslims SPECIFICALLY. In India, friggin war veterans get no respite from anti-Muslim abuses even, despite having fought for the Hindutva state. They get alerted to the authorities by their islamophobic neighbours even!! It truly beggars belief.

Is it just me who wonders why it is, when the IRA or ETA wage terrorism against UK or Spain, the response has never ever been "let's turn Catholic areas or the Basque region into a carpark!"?? Why are the western nations happy to use soft power on fellow Christians and whites, but against Muslims let's strafe them with every weapon we have and any kids who die are collateral damage, or it's the fault of the terrorists for hiding behind them blah blah.

You need to snap out of this zombie trance and realize that Hindutva, Zionism and Christian fundamentalists will never ever consider you as one of them or equal in terms of the value of your blood. From what I have seen, China and perhaps communists in general will treat everyone the same.

I agree with your rant about Hindus, Zionists and Western nations but it's still a lot of exaggeration and that's not the point.

I don't know why every defence to a thread on Uighurs is zionists, hindus and west is doing this n that to Muslims.

My point was you're enjoying bashing UK comfortably without any danger to you being put in concentration camps but Chinese especially Uighurs don't have that luxury.

You're right about one thing, China especially communists will treat everyone the same and that is Xi Jinping will be the God. Are you ready to accept that?.

Chinese communists mock religion. They think Islam is a mental disease. Do you think Islam is a mental disease?. They hate religion and think it is a hurdle to Chinese unity. They will treat Muslims, Christians, Jews and every religion with same hatred.

I can't imagine what kind of scary world that would be if Chinese dominated it like West did. I hope we never get to see that.

The worst of zionists would only kill you and your children. The communists will take your children by force and put you in concentration camps and make you insult Islam until you become an atheist. Your children would hate Islam with a fervor. That's scary thing than death.

You think the world is bad under zionist control? If communists were to take over, the only religion that would exist in the world would be Xi Jinping religion.

The video shows a trailer to what world would look like if China took over. Scary scary world

PS: Oh and I never said the Hindus, Christians and zionists would ever consider me equal. I personally think Hindus are second in line to communists because the hatred I've seen in them against Muslims is just something else. The recent death of a young kid who was forced to chant Hindus idols names then denied treatment in hospital is a testament to that. Compared to that, Christians and zionists are mild creatures and so many Muslims living happily in West is testament to that.

We're lucky that Hindus and Chinese are confined in their small areas and haven't been able to dominate the world ever. They're truly more danger to Muslims than zionists.

Maybe my opinion is different to rest of Muslims but i fear Mushrikeen more than one who believes in Abrahamic religions. However twisted their beliefs maybe, they still have mercy and are good people. Mushrikeen simply don't have any mercy when they become zalimeen and it makes sense. Shaytaan takes control of them completely and Shaytaan has no mercy only hatred for Muslims.

They eat dogs and cats without any mercy whereas my western friends can't even think about it and even cry for cruelty on dogs.

The way Uighurs Muslims are treated shows how much zulm yeh Mushrik kar saktay hai. Not even Palestinians face this.

 

[Hex0maniac]

It depends on how people define religion, Atheism is a belief, as for if it is a faith, most atheists don't care about what others believe and have no interest to convert others, so atheism is not as strong as a faith.

you can never have faith at something if you don't believe in it.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I agree with your rant about Hindus, Zionists and Western nations but it's still a lot of exaggeration and that's not the point.

I don't know why every defence to a thread on Uighurs is zionists, hindus and west is doing this n that to Muslims.

My point was you're enjoying bashing UK comfortably without any danger to you being put in concentration camps but Chinese especially Uighurs don't have that luxury.

You're right about one thing, China especially communists will treat everyone the same and that is Xi Jinping will be the God. Are you ready to accept that?.

Chinese communists mock religion. They think Islam is a mental disease. Do you think Islam is a mental disease?. They hate religion and think it is a hurdle to Chinese unity. They will treat Muslims, Christians, Jews and every religion with same hatred.

I can't imagine what kind of scary world that would be if Chinese dominated it like West did. I hope we never get to see that.

The worst of zionists would only kill you and your children. The communists will take your children by force and put you in concentration camps and make you insult Islam until you become an atheist. Your children would hate Islam with a fervor. That's scary thing than death.

You think the world is bad under zionist control? If communists were to take over, the only religion that would exist in the world would be Xi Jinping religion.

The video shows a trailer to what world would look like if China took over. Scary scary world

PS: Oh and I never said the Hindus, Christians and zionists would ever consider me equal. I personally think Hindus are second in line to communists because the hatred I've seen in them against Muslims is just something else. The recent death of a young kid who was forced to chant Hindus idols names then denied treatment in hospital is a testament to that. Compared to that, Christians and zionists are mild creatures and so many Muslims living happily in West is testament to that.

We're lucky that Hindus and Chinese are confined in their small areas and haven't been able to dominate the world ever. They're truly more danger to Muslims than zionists.

Maybe my opinion is different to rest of Muslims but i fear Mushrikeen more than one who believes in Abrahamic religions. However twisted their beliefs maybe, they still have mercy and are good people. Mushrikeen simply don't have any mercy when they become zalimeen and it makes sense. Shaytaan takes control of them completely and Shaytaan has no mercy only hatred for Muslims.

They eat dogs and cats without any mercy whereas my western friends can't even think about it and even cry for cruelty on dogs.

The way Uighurs Muslims are treated shows how much zulm yeh Mushrik kar saktay hai. Not even Palestinians face this.

Fair play man, clearly you have a genuine opinion on the whole issue and I do respect your position, even though I disagree on some of your interpretations and ultimate conclusions. Thanks for sharing your take on things.

 

[fisher1]

Fair play man, clearly you have a genuine opinion on the whole issue and I do respect your position, even though I disagree on some of your interpretations and ultimate conclusions. Thanks for sharing your take on things.

You know what makes me certain there's no zionist or western propaganda? They plan elaborately and convincingly. Look at the true zionists propaganda and creation and then compare that with whatever little proof if you can call it that we have about Uighurs.

I don't have anything about Uighurs except the video of Mihrigul Tursun crying testimony, a random vlogger showing empty mosques and people dancing in front of it, Indonesian delegation showing concerns and this VICE video where the journalists failed attempts at even getting close to any concentration camps and just 30 minutes of people following her and being harassed by Chinese authorities. That's all.

You think West if it was doing propaganda would be this weak? How hard it would've been for them to make a mock concentration camp, throw a bunch of fake Chinese actors and Uighurs and bam, convince everyone.

Real oppression is never a choreographed performance.

US is simply taking advantage of this situation and you're right, West doesn't care about Uighurs really. If they did, they've the power to truly expose China and gather support against China, after all they own the media.

 

[BL33D]

hahaha I always want some one to say that. yes atheism is a religion because it is also a set of believe that there is no higher power & everything is just science and no judgment day (its a paradox yes my atheist freinds always get mad but I love that ) and like every religion follower most of the followers are Ignorist meaning "following blindly" meaning they never ask question why this religion? does it holds truth? religion should inspire you not trap you ?

what a load of bullshit, atheism is skepticism about the one question, there is no set of beliefs, you can be a an atheist and still believe in fairies, superstitions, flat earth, conspiracies etc etc,we have confidence in evidence and logic and not becoz someone wrote a book. plz keep killing each other dear religion lovers. tell me when someone kills another person becoz he is not an atheist or in the name of nothing.

 

[Numerous]

I honestly don't care what you think, why should I ? I just come here to promote China and for fun, What can your opinion influence anyone and any foreign policy of your nation, to be frank I just enjoy seeing you guys frustrated with no ability to do anything.

If China really oppressed Uighurs, why not even one Uighur soldier or office turned their guns against China? Most Xinjiang law enforcement officers are Uighurs, you can claim Uighurs oppress Uighurs in this case.

If China really oppressed Uighurs, Why top Uighur students study overseas still want to go back to China, to Xinjiang？

Lol yeh right you don't care about peoples opinions on here. Who you trying to fool?

Look sneer at us all you want. Sure there are many wrongs I can't do anything about. I can't save kashmiris from indian army rapists and murderers. I can't save muslims in syria from alawites, twelvers, russians & kurdish communists. I can't save uighur Muslims from chinese communists. But one day, all of you are going to pay for your crimes. The end for oppressors is the hellfire and my frustration will be nothing compared to what will happen to people like yourself.

They're probably extremely vetted to make sure only traitors achieve those positions. Very common scenario and not the first time someone has used that tactic.

For every 1 traitor who supports the han and goes back, there are a 1000 uighurs who flee and expose you people for the oppression. I met a uighur before in university and they told me that the chinese oppress them so your propaganda isn't going to work on me.

 

[Goku]

So funny pointing fingers at everyone accusing them of oppression of minorities, when the same oppress minorities in their own country

 

[beijingwalker]

For every 1 traitor who supports the han and goes back, there are a 1000 uighurs who flee and expose you people for the oppression. I met a uighur before in university and they told me that the chinese oppress them so your propaganda isn't going to work on me.

LOl, you do sound very frustrated, that makes me pretty happy, and If China really oppressed Uighurs, why not even one Uighur soldier or office turned their guns against China? they are well armed by the government, Just need one, not a thousand, Most Xinjiang law enforcement officers are Uighurs, you can claim Uighurs oppress Uighurs in this case.

If China really oppressed Uighurs, Why top Uighur students study overseas still want to go back to China, to Xinjiang？

 

[Hex0maniac]

what a load of bullshit, atheism is skepticism about the one question, there is no set of beliefs, you can be a an atheist and still believe in fairies, superstitions, flat earth, conspiracies etc etc,we have confidence in evidence and logic and not becoz someone wrote a book. plz keep killing each other dear religion lovers. tell me when someone kills another person becoz he is not an atheist or in the name of nothing.

thats the question, being skeptic makes you agnostic but being ignorist makes you atheist. the way you wrote in this comment is the same a hindu, muslim or chirstian extremist holds an opinion, nothing wrong with it you can hold any opinion for that matter.But don't get refuge in atheist club. and being skeptic is different. I am skeptic. Skeptic means to question odd thing and that's why I am Muslim.