China’s Submarine Fleet, Evolution & news

[星海军事]

Their inner rings are circular. This simply suggests that, if these 16.5 meter rings are indeed for a new SSBN, then the boat would likely rival the Typhoon in size.

Those large light hulls with noncircular cross section were meant for several smaller pressure hulls, but light hulls with circular cross section contains only one. I don't see any clear evidence to design such a large pressure hull with a diameter over 14 m. Also, 14 m is too large for a four-deck design while not enough for a five-deck design.

 

[Daniel808]

Those large light hulls with noncircular cross section were meant for several smaller pressure hulls, but light hulls with circular cross section contains only one. I don't see any clear evidence to design such a large pressure hull with a diameter over 14 m. Also, 14 m is too large for a four-deck design while not enough for a five-deck design.

So, we will see "hump" again in Type 096 SSBN?

Because what we see from Type 032 upgrade last year to accomodate JL-3 SLBM they need at least 1.5 meters more length than JL-2 SLBM (which is JL-2 length is already 13 meters)

If Type 096 SSBN don't have any "hump" at least they need 15.5-16 meters diameter hull (close to the size in satellite photo).

 

[星海军事]

So, we will see "hump" again in Type 096 SSBN?

That is within expectation. Actually, every active SSBN with a single pressure hull has an either large or small hump, including the Triomphant-class.

Because what we see from Type 032 upgrade last year to accomodate JL-3 SLBM they need at least 1.5 meters more length than JL-2 SLBM (which is JL-2 length is already 13 meters)

All tests of JL-2 were performed by Type 31. Thus it is not very possible for you to spot the differences between JL-2 and the next-gen SLBM from Type 32.

If Type 096 SSBN don't have any "hump" at least they need 15.5-16 meters diameter hull (close to the size in satellite photo).

It is not necessary to eliminate the hump and if you take a look at an earlier satellite image of the same place you can even find rings with 18 m diameter.

 

[cirr]

Looks like full speed ahead with construction of nuclear subs 95/96

 

[Akasa]

Looks like full speed ahead with construction of nuclear subs 95/96

How do you know? Based on what evidence? Apparently the new hull "rings" are not related.

 

[52051]

According to Ma Weiming durign the Congress meeting interview, China's Type-095/096 SSN/SSBN's propulsion system will be a generation ahead of the next gen US SSN/SSBN.

Congrats to genius like Ma Weiming and Yang Wei (both elected to be standing memeber of central commitee of China this year by the way), genius like them make China's military power leaps at an unbelievable peace

 

[52051]

http://www.sohu.com/a/145394852_817465
https://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2417855-1-1.html

 

[samsara]

The MS200 is a mini-sub of 200t displacement. Measuring 30m long, 3.6m wide and 4.4m high, for covert missions. Photo by @combatpaparazzi

https://twitter.com/x/status/927587366360924160

"It just reminds me of this midget-submarine report in 2015."

https://twitter.com/x/status/927590954172784641

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IMPS - MARITIME SECURITY
D&S 2017: Chinese floats whole submarine family for export
6th November 2017 - 12:11 GMT | by Gordon Arthur in Bangkok

China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company (CSOC) S26T submarine of 2,550t displacement (Photo via Shephard)

Chinese companies were out in force at Defense & Security 2017 in Bangkok, including the China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company (CSOC). Most prominent on its stand was a new family of submarines displacing 1,100t, 600t and 200t.

Scale models of these submarines were displayed alongside a model of the 2,550t S26T (pictured above) currently being built for the Royal Thai Navy (RTN) under a $385 million order lodged in May.

Perhaps the most interesting aspect was a video indicating countries currently interested in procuring Chinese submarines. In addition to Bangladesh and Pakistan that have already ordered Chinese platforms, those named by CSOC as interested parties are Algeria, Cuba, Egypt, Libya, Myanmar, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Venezuela.

In a rare move from a state-owned Chinese corporation, a lot of specifications about this family of submarines were available. This relative openness, as well as the revelation of a family range spanning 200t to more than 2,500t, shows China is serious about gaining greater export clients for its underwater technology.

The S26T, it was revealed, is customised for the RTN though based on the Yuan class (Type 041) designed for the People’s Liberation Army Navy. It measures 77.7m long, has an 8.6m beam, height of 9.2m and can dive 300m deep.

The type’s maximum speed is 17kt and it can swim submerged for 260nm at 80% battery capacity. Its range using air-independent propulsion (AIP) is 768nm or 20 days. Meanwhile, its maximum range for mixed AIP and diesel-electric travel is 2,000nm or 65 days.

The teardrop-shaped hull accommodates 38 crew in 46 available berths. The boat is divided into six compartments, and employs a cross-stern rudder and bow hydroplanes. An optronic mast is fitted on the sail, while the type can launch anti-ship missiles.

It will still take some time for China to construct the submarine for Thailand, with delivery expected in 2023. The RTN will eventually receive three submarines, with the budget allowing only one to be ordered at a time.

Continuing down in scale, the 1,100t submarine is 60m long, 5.6m wide and 6.8m high. Its speed is listed as 15kt, with a submerged AIP range of 800nm and mixed range of 3,000nm. It can dive 200m deep and carry 18 crew for up to 30 days. It carries ten torpedoes.

Moving further down in scale, the 600t conventional submarine is 50m long, 4.5m wide and 5.6m high. It travels at a top speed of 15kt with an AIP range of 400nm and submerged mixed range of 2,000nm. The 600t boat has a crew of 15 and can sustain a 20-day journey.

Finally, the MS200 is a mini-submarine of 200t displacement. Measuring 30m long, 3.6m wide and 4.4m high, it is designed for covert missions. It operates with a crew of six and can carry eight special forces operatives.

This small submarine moves at a maximum 8kt speed and submerged range of 120nm. Its endurance is 15 days and it can travel for up to 1,500nm submerged. It has two launching devices for torpedoes or mines.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-news/ds-2017-chinese-floats-whole-submarine-family-expo/

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[samsara]

CCTV 4 the international channel conveyed in Chinese language just made a bold claim yet done very casually in a low-profile means through one of its regular broadcast program on 18 November 2017. Fans who don't pay attention into its many regular programs will easily miss such low-key revelation

China's Type 095 nuclear submarine is (or will pretty soon be) using the shaftless drive technology in conjunction with the IPS (integrated electric propulsion) technology.

Watch the video here:

[Chinese Perspective]《深度国际》 20171118 Speeding up China's aircraft carrier 提速 中国航母 | CCTV-4

a 27-min program with Engsub

At 8:36 ~ 9:50 (see below transcript)
Recently, the PLA Navy has spread the good news that it has already received a new model of nuclear submarine. The research and development of this nuclear submarine took five years, and used shaftless drive technology, which is believed to be the Type 095 nuclear submarine. Military experts have said that shaftless drive technology stopped using traditional mechanical propulsion shafts, and instead used an IPS (integrated electric propulsion). Traditional mechanical propulsion shafts occupy at least 50% of the length of a submarine and will produce large amounts of noise.

Shaftless drive technology is a revolutionary technology that saves a great deal of space in submarines and reduces up to 10% of noise. This has also led to the level of quietness in China's submarines surpassing the US and Russia. enjoy:

The key is that the IPS can reduce noise. If this system is completely simplified, then whether they are submarines or surface vessels, their sonar signal underwater will be reduced to a very low level. If the enemies carry out a torpedo attack on all sorts of anti-submarine targets, they might not be able to acquire a target as easily as before, so if you analyze it from these perspectives, the IPS has a very large difference from systems of the past.

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[ChineseTiger1986]

China is starting to mass produce the Type 09V/09VI.

The lead ship of the Type 09V will be deployed by 2018, and the Type 096 with the JL-3 SLBM by 2019.

http://www.fyjs.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1885211&extra=page=1

 

[Akasa]

China is starting to mass produce the Type 09V/09VI.

The lead ship of the Type 09V will be deployed by 2018, and the Type 096 with the JL-3 SLBM by 2019.

http://www.fyjs.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1885211&extra=page=1

It would be impossible for the Type 09V/VI to begin construction now and be deployed by 2019; it took six years for the first 09III to go from construction start to launch. A more realistic timeline would be for both to be launched by 2021 and enter service by 2024, assuming that they have indeed begun their construction.

 

[Han Patriot]

It would be impossible for the Type 09V/VI to begin construction now and be deployed by 2019; it took six years for the first 09III to go from construction start to launch. A more realistic timeline would be for both to be launched by 2021 and enter service by 2024, assuming that they have indeed begun their construction.

Read carefully, mass production now, the LEAD SHIP might have been under construction for years. Can you even read Chinese?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Read carefully, mass production now, the LEAD SHIP might have been under construction for years. Can you even read Chinese?

He is an anti-China troll, the best way is to put him in the ignored list.

 

[atan651]

095 in mass production! I like the sound of that.

 

[Deino]

He is an anti-China troll, the best way is to put him in the ignored list.

Pardon, but why is one who don't speak Chinese or any certain foreign language - including myself - a troll if he asks for clarification?

That's exactly what I don't get here... esp. since it makes any useful discussion so hard.

Deino