China's potential weakness now worries West more than its strength

[BigDaddyWatch]

I have seen many articles like this before. This helps them to feel better about themselves and feel more secure by pointing at China's weaknesses (which there are). If any of these so called experts had any sense and knowledge about economic matters they will be more worried about what is happening in the US and Japan. They point at others weaknesses but are unwilling or unable to see their own. Which in my view are much bigger. China has less to fear from the US and Japanese armies then from their voodoo economics thats about to bring down their own economies and that of the rest of the world.

 

[Genesis]

Obama is a clown, no disagreement there--I have no idea what he was thinking with the Philippines move, especially considering the Philippines has made it very clear that they are not interested in a high-level defense pact. The Philippines already kicked us out once, so I have low expectations for this limited move. It's not enough for the US to benefit strategically, it's not enough to assure security for the Philippines, but it is enough to anger China. But it is the nature of clowns to act like fools.

As far as Taiwan, the US is stuck. Abandon Taiwan, and no ally will ever trust us again. Fully arm Taiwan, and incur the wrath of China. So instead, the US gives crumbs to Taiwan, which angers both Taiwan and China. No good solution there, and ironically, our best hope is that China and Taiwan work out their differences and come to their own solution. I thought Taiwan-China relations were getting better these last few years, but perhaps I was mistaken.

Well regardless of whether you think Obama is good or not, he did do what he did and he does represent America. As to Taiwan, it's a hot potato, but it's in your hands, and you must decide what to do, and you did.

Oh and I'm not sure how you look at the current administration, but to me at least, the stance on China would be one and the same regardless of which government is in power. The only difference maybe how far one's willing to go.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Well regardless of whether you think Obama is good or not, he did do what he did and he does represent America. As to Taiwan, it's a hot potato, but it's in your hands, and you must decide what to do, and you did.

Oh and I'm not sure how you look at the current administration, but to me at least, the stance on China would be one and the same regardless of which government is in power. The only difference maybe how far one's willing to go.

I wouldn't count on continuity in foreign policy between US administrations. The US didn't recognize China until Nixon took the strategic decision to establish relations. Then relations were good until Tiananmen Square, and then cold again for 10 years, especially after the Taiwan Straights Crisis and the Belgrade embassy bombing. Under Bush, relations started out cold with the Hainan Island Incident, but then after September 11, Bush viewed China as an ally in the war on terror, and relations warmed. Then the relationship began to cool again under Obama, after arms sales resumed to Taiwan in 2010. Then when China agreed to implement sanctions against Iran in 2012, relations improved again. And now with the SCS, relations are cooling.

Our relationship is very event-driven, so it's not safe to assume that current policies will continue into the future. Both American and Chinese leadership rotates a couple of times per decade. Nothing is inevitable. The only constant is change.

 

[MST]

In other words, China can start blackmailing America. Because if China fails, America fails too. It's like my bank going bust!

I think its actually the other way around.

 

[atatwolf]

"We welcome China's peaceful rise," Obama said in a recent radio interview. "In many ways, it would be a bigger national security problem for us if China started falling apart at the seams."

I agree with first quote but knowing China they won't change their nature. Earning an honest buck without screwing their customer. Respecting your neighbors. Not occupying lands of others. Respecting human rights are all foreign concepts to Chinese. When push comes to shovel the best option would be to loosen Beijing's grip so everybody can form the government and state they want. Obama already hinted at that. On the long term it will be the most peaceful long term solution. Otherwise the problem just gets procrastinated.

 

[Genesis]

I wouldn't count on continuity in foreign policy between US administrations. The US didn't recognize China until Nixon took the strategic decision to establish relations. Then relations were good until Tiananmen Square, and then cold again for 10 years, especially after the Taiwan Straights Crisis and the Belgrade embassy bombing. Under Bush, relations started out cold with the Hainan Island Incident, but then after September 11, Bush viewed China as an ally in the war on terror, and relations warmed. Then the relationship began to cool again under Obama, after arms sales resumed to Taiwan in 2010. Then when China agreed to implement sanctions against Iran in 2012, relations improved again. And now with the SCS, relations are cooling.

Our relationship is very event-driven, so it's not safe to assume that current policies will continue into the future. Both American and Chinese leadership rotates a couple of times per decade. Nothing is inevitable. The only constant is change.

the question isn't what the government will do, or the attitude, but how far will America back away. I think in this regard, both parties are more or less the same.

America influence have pushed right onto Chinese border, I mean even if we want to compromise, what do we give up? At this point we don't have anything. I would like to compromise but America has more or less suffocated China.

 

[TaiShang]

I mean even if we want to compromise, what do we give up? At this point we don't have anything. I would like to compromise but America has more or less suffocated China.

Excellent point! This is probably one of the choking points in strategy-making where you run out of options to retreat and to offer your opponent greater (additional) space for maneuver. Then, the remaining two options are: To resist, or to push back. China seems to be in transition from resisting to pushing back and, hence, all the fears and hysteria of a bullying China. I believe that both ADIZ and oil rig (and other measures) are essentially structured to counter and push the US presence (although their success one might discuss). In this sense, the Philippines and Vietnam (and even Japan -- although they assume a larger hat than their head, they are mere pawns in this great power game) are nobodies.

 

[boomslang]

I agree @LeveragedBuyout , its almost sickening that some "Chinese" posters in PDF have such uninhibited hatred for America, Americans,....

These 'people' made me the TROLL that I am today !! Before reading their hate-filled anti American tirades I was a respectful, engaging conversationalist who LOVED nothing more than spending my hours immersed in the intellectual jacuzzi that is PDF. NOW........

 

[Jlaw]

Remember, according to TaiShang, any instability in China is the result of plotting by US academics, US journalists, US tourists, etc., since the US has plotted to destroy China for the last century. Once the US is toppled, per Beidou2020 and pigtaker, China will be a paradise.

But historically US has caused trouble for many nations. US media and CIA are plotting to destabilize China. We are aware of this. The Chinese government have been slow in reacting to this.

Christ, they even allow a CIA office in HK.

 

[TaiShang]

These 'people' made made me the TROLL that I am today !! Before reading their hate-filled anti American tirades I was a respectful, engaging conversationalist who LOVED nothing more than spending my hours immersed in the intellectual jacuzzi that is PDF. NOW........

LOL! That's funny. Hope you recover from that state of affair soon. Here is to help

I should say, by the way, the feeling is mutual. So, no moral exceptionalism here.

 

[boomslang]

LOL! That's funny. Hope you recover from that state of affair soon. Here is to help

I should say, by the way, the feeling is mutual. So, no moral exceptionalism here.

That WAS one of my better ones.

 

[Genesis]

LOL! That's funny. Hope you recover from that state of affair soon. Here is to help

I should say, by the way, the feeling is mutual. So, no moral exceptionalism here.

lol exactly, the feeling is indeed mutual.

 

[terranMarine]

These 'people' made me the TROLL that I am today !! Before reading their hate-filled anti American tirades I was a respectful, engaging conversationalist who LOVED nothing more than spending my hours immersed in the intellectual jacuzzi that is PDF. NOW........

Now i finally understand why you have become a Tazmanian Devil. Here let me give you a pat on the shoulder, hope your condition will be cured one day.

 

[HariPrasad]

everytime I read Western propaganda China is falling apart. I was in China half a year ago. The mood is very good, sure a lot of people have complaints, but it's no different than in Canada or the states.

People will not rise up, do these idiots even know how bad a country needs to be before a rebellion happens? China has gone from strength to strength, why would someone spoil the party now?

Than why this?

Three out of five of Chinese multi-millionaires want to be able to emigrate – Quartz

 

[Schutz]

Than why this?

Three out of five of Chinese multi-millionaires want to be able to emigrate – Quartz

The picture used there tells the true story, a big flash car surrounded by people using bicycles as a form of haulage.

As they say, a picture paints a thousand words.

If your moderately wealthy and live in one of the nicest cities its probably pretty nice living, if your sadly not one of that small percentile then life is hardly a barrel of laughs.