China's population to near 1.4 billion by 2015

[Guynextdoor]

Ya ya right, we've heard that before. It's for very good reason that the chinese are sticking to diplomacy nowadays, wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[xdrive]

i love this guy. he talks about human rights, and pollution, and greenhouse gases, while also talking about "cutting" chinese people.

You obviously can't intemperate English very well. I don't mean literally "cutting" people, are you insane? Go look at the context again and hopefully you will understand.

do you realize that the US with a population 1/4 that of china produces more pollution? so why do you not suggest that americans cut THEIR population?

It doesn't matter which country produces the most pollution. It's a universal fact that more people = more pollution. The world is extremely over populated by about a billion people. Countries with massive populations like China, and India need to cut there populations. Not only would the worlds climate benefit, but the countries themselfs would benefit from less people. China has 1.3 billion people.

I don't see why you are taking this as some sort of insult.

the more laughable thing is "if china cut its population its economy would be stronger". how do you know?

Because it's common sense. China is a developing country and is starting to get rich. Providing government services like hospitals etc would cost loads of money and burden the economy, if you could lessen the burden the economy growth speed would pickup and so would development.

If China cut it's population and then developed fully, then they could start to grow their population again.

thanks though for showing your racism.

Nothing i am saying has anything to do with race. As i said, i don't know why you are trying to make out i am insulting China or being racist. I am doing no such thing.

Infact numerous professionals agree with what i am saying. Infact, even your own government agrees that Chinas population must be cut, hence why they have a 1 child policy and numerous other population control programs.

Get off your high horse and stop trying to link what i am saying to some western world vs asian world whatever bullshit.

This is not what the discussion is about.

 

[oct605032048]

Cut people? yes, but who pay the price for an aging society in China?

Australia?

 

[xdrive]

Lets look at chinas population compared to whole geographical regions.

China - 1,338,612,968 Billion

Europe - 731,000,000 million

North America - 528,720,588 million

South America - 385,742,554 million

Middle East - 70,551,945 million

Oceania (Australia and New Zealand) - 38,894,851 million

As you can see, the country of china alone out numbers every single geographical region.

The population of China even outnumbers Europe, the middle east and Oceania all together.

Also China is just one country in Asia. The total population of Asia is 3,879,000,000 billion.

Cut people? yes, but who pay the price for an aging society in China?

Australia?

Your government is actually happy your population is ageing because your population will reduce thus helping your economy. Only 200 million Chinese are old, which still leaves you with 1.1 billion people if they all die also remember people get born every 2 seconds in china.

 

[applesauce]

xdrive, we all know china has a one child policy in place because of the large population and the problems a large population brings. the population will still rise slowly but will even out in several years then slowly decline a bit this is about as gentle as one can make the population stabilize. if you want it done any faster the only way is to send the people some where, ie: war.

and know that the population aging brings its own problems, china is still poor it must have money(ie rich first world status) in 2030 in preparation for the older population at that time retiring hence all out industrialization and growth now is a must. there is a lot on the plate here and nothing is easy

 

[mike05]

Lets look at chinas population compared to whole geographical regions.

China - 1,338,612,968 Billion

Europe - 731,000,000 million

North America - 528,720,588 million

South America - 385,742,554 million

Middle East - 70,551,945 million

Oceania (Australia and New Zealand) - 38,894,851 million

As you can see, the country of china alone out numbers every single geographical region.

The population of China even outnumbers Europe, the middle east and Oceania all together.

Also China is just one country in Asia. The total population of Asia is 3,879,000,000 billion.



Your government is actually happy your population is ageing because your population will reduce thus helping your economy. Only 200 million Chinese are old, which still leaves you with 1.1 billion people if they all die also remember people get born every 2 seconds in china.

I agree that your post are does not have any racist elements, apologies if I gave any such impression.

But to be fair China is one of the only countries that have aggressively pursued the population control, I think we all agree a big population anywhere is a strain on the limited world resourced and maybe over time that will change but it will take a long time.

Controlling global warming is not just a population thing, just as we say one country should cut their population we can also say that cars above 1.6 Litres should not be sold. Ultimately everyone is inherently selfish (be it having 10 children or driving a 4 litre car) so maybe with education and collaboration we can work towards the same goal.

 

[topjumper]

As mike said, china knows the growing population is an issue that needs to be addressed, it went ahead with the one child policy more than 30 years ago even though back then (and still to this day) attracted heavy criticisms -- all the usual stuff: authoritarian, brutal, commies, oppressive, dictatorship etc etc.

By 2040 most of the people born in the baby booming period naturally passes away and China's population will start to decline. Also another policy that China has is encouraging couples to get married and have children later in their lives, the recommended marriage age is 25 for men 23 for women, think about it -- if every couple have children at age of 18 then in 100 years there will be 5 generations of people; delay it to 26 there will be only 3 generations of people in 100 years.

The growing population is a concern and at least the Chinese have thought about it and have already committed themselves to do something about it for decades, unlike many other parts of the world.

 

[conworldus]

I hope the population shrinks soon. Smaller population may mean less GDP in general, but per capita will skyrocket.

 

[Join]

Well if they need more land they can always reclaim some from India in west side , I am sure it would be possible , which technically was disputed , I think there is some ppl called Moist or someting trying to go back to China

China needs more land for growth -

Exactly. I also agree with you. China should implement this policy. They need land and they should take what is rightfully belongs to them.

 

[CardSharp]

I agree that your post are does not have any racist elements, apologies if I gave any such impression.

I disagree, just because the racism isn't explicit doesn't mean that author's views aren't. This guy clearly places the blame for pollution and resource consumption on Chinese and Indians because of their population size while absolutely refusing to consider that 1 person living in Australia or USA (or Canada) will have a much larger ecological footprint. This is a part of the sinophobia that's accompanied China's rise. As the standard of living increases, China is being criticized for things like having more cars (and how it will destroy the planet) all the while there are still more and larger cars in America alone.

This is the 'kick the ladder out after we climb up' attitude that environmentalists in developed countries have. They did their polluting in a time where there was no control and now that they are rich enough to build a cleaner economy (not to mention export their polluting) they turn around and forbid others to do what they did. This is not so much a problem for China because it can tell them stuff it, but for African countries to get IMF and World bank loans, they are often saddled with unreasonable environmental stipulations that cripple any realistic development.


ps xdrive, please don't make cracks about other people's english. Many here aren't native speakers and given the mistakes in your own writing you certainly are in no place to critique others.

 

[CardSharp]

I hope the population shrinks soon. Smaller population may mean less GDP in general, but per capita will skyrocket.

That was exactly Deng Xiaoping's reasoning for implementing the one child policy. He realized all of China's growth will come to nought, if the population spins out of control.

This shrinking has to be done with planning and foresight. Age structure is just as important as size. A lopsided age distribution places great stresses on a developing country.

 

[no_name]

I think a single reduction by implement one child policy for long periods of time might place too much social stress. It might be better to alternate between two child and one child policy so the population reduce stepwise rather than one big fall.

 

[topjumper]

I think a single reduction by implement one child policy for long periods of time might place too much social stress. It might be better to alternate between two child and one child policy so the population reduce stepwise rather than one big fall.

Hehe, that's why China's policy already set that if a couple were both single child themselves, then they can have up to 2 children. Currently the fertility rate is 1.7 per woman in China, that's way below the 2.1 required to maintain the population steady, as long as the government can stick to its plan and don't get influenced by foreign pressure it'll work out fine in the end.

 

[mike05]

I disagree, just because the racism isn't explicit doesn't mean that author's views aren't. This guy clearly places the blame for pollution and resource consumption on Chinese and Indians because of their population size while absolutely refusing to consider that 1 person living in Australia or USA (or Canada) will have a much larger ecological footprint. This is a part of the sinophobia that's accompanied China's rise. As the standard of living increases, China is being criticized for things like having more cars (and how it will destroy the planet) all the while there are still more and larger cars in America alone.

Fair play, in my opinion to call it Racism is a bit harsh (call it biased maybe?)but we share the same views on unfair treatment of developing countries.

 

[IBRIS]

Without China's 1 child policy. What would of been China's population figure now. ?

anyone with any guesses?