China’s New Type 054B Frigates Break Cover At Two Shipyards

[jhungary]

You just dug your own grave pal. They operated together with the CSG, they are not part of the CSG. I told you multiple times, apart from occasional trainings, LCS is not part of the CSG. Even your article saysbin 2021, it was the FIRST TIME. SO THERE GOES your PAIRING bullshit. Whicb proves my point exactly, CSGs don't operate with frigates. That's why it is not in the ship roster.

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Err... did you know what does it mean by "Joining a CSG group"? It's literally in the highlighted part of your refernece.

joining mean they operate separately and NOT PART OF THE GROUP. Yeah, right...........

You "join" a deployment means you are the part of that deployment. Man, how I wish when I "joined" the war in Iraq and Afghanistan it just mean I am just sitting in an army office in San Antonio and not having to deploy with my unit to actually ne a part of that war........lolololol

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Go fvck USA, man. It is not our country, therefore we do not care about it.

I hope China does more Joint Ventures with Pakistan in the Naval military industry.

But our country's politiacians and establishment are slave to USA

 

[Han Patriot]

Err... did you know what does it mean by "Joining a CSG group"? It's literally in the highlighted part of your refernece.

joining mean they operate separately and NOT PART OF THE GROUP. Yeah, right...........

You "join" a deployment means you are the part of that deployment. Man, how I wish when I "joined" the war in Iraq and Afghanistan it just mean I am just sitting in an army office in San Antonio and not having to deploy with my unit to actually ne a part of that war........lolololol

I can join Man U for a one off game. Does it mean I am now part of Man U? Do you see my name in the roster? Since 2021? Then before that nothing? What about the pairing much touted by you? How the fck does ONE pseudo frigate pair with a dozen destroyers/cruisers? Lolol

Below is the official ship list of CSG5, you see any frigates? Lolololol.
Linl herr:https://www.surfpac.navy.mil/Ships/Carrier-Strike-Group-5-COMCARSTRKGRU-FIVE/About-Us/

 

[jhungary]

I can join Man U for a one off game. Does it mean I am now part of Man U? Do you see my name in the roster? Since 2021? Then before that nothing? What about the pairing much touted by you? How the fck does ONE pseudo frigate pair with a dozen destroyers/cruisers? Lolol

Below is the official ship list of CSG5, you see any frigates? Lolololol.
Linl herr:https://www.surfpac.navy.mil/Ships/Carrier-Strike-Group-5-COMCARSTRKGRU-FIVE/About-Us/
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Dude, IF YOU JOINED MAN U SQUAD, then YOU ARE A PART OF MAN U FOR THAT GAME, it's a period of time, same as a deployment, just that game may be 90 minutes, a deployment last 6 months.

Again, If I join my unit for Combat in Afghanistan, does that mean I don't need to go to Afghanistan because it is one off? Because that's what you are saying.

Are you for real?

 

[Han Patriot]

Dude, IF YOU JOINED MAN U SQUAD, then YOU ARE A PART OF MAN U FOR THAT GAME, it's a period of time, same as a deployment, just that game may be 90 minutes, a deployment last 6 months.

Again, If I join my unit for Combat in Afghanistan, does that mean I don't need to go to Afghanistan because it is one off? Because that's what you are saying.

Are you for real?

So where is the ship in the fleet roster? I just showed you the ship list for CSG 5 and how does it pair? Your main argument was one FFG one Destroyer. How does ONe fcking frigate pair with a dozen destroyers/cruisers? What about before 2021? No pairings? Hahahahahajajajaj. Answer ME!

 

[jhungary]

So where is the ship in the fleet roster? I just showed you the ship list for CSG 5 and how does it pair? Your main argument was one FFG one Destroyer. How does ONe fcking frigate pair with a dozen destroyers/cruisers? What about before 2021? No pairings? Hahahahahajajajaj. Answer ME!

2 things.

1.) The roster is already on that 7th fleet article, you don't want to believe it, that's you
2.) Who said pairing have to be 1 to 1? Considering how many Carrier vs Cruiser vs Destroyer there are in the US Navy, it can NEVER BE 1 to 1. And how 1 freaking carrier or Cruiser pair up with 5 destroyer then?

Are you seriously that dumb??

 

[Han Patriot]

2 things.

1.) The roster is already on that 7th fleet article, you don't want to believe it, that's you
2.) Who said pairing have to be 1 to 1? Considering how many Carrier vs Cruiser vs Destroyer there are in the US Navy, it can NEVER BE 1 to 1. And how 1 freaking carrier or Cruiser pair up with 5 destroyer then?

Are you seriously that dumb??

Wow lying again after i proved that you are a fcking imbecile. Lolol..you were that idiot talking about pairing frigates and destroyers and now you completely abandon it? Hahahahah
And now you ask me back something you claimed ? I did not even claim anything about pairings. I asked you how the fck 70 ships can pair with 30 ships, you said rotation then now we found ONE fcking pseudi frigate joining for an operation and all of a sudden it is in the CSG? Dude, wake up!

 

[jhungary]

Wow lying again after i proved that you are a fcking imbecile. Lolol..you were that idiot talking about pairing frigates and destroyers and now you completely abandon it? Hahahahah
And now you ask me back something you claimed ? I did not even claim anything about pairings. I asked you how the fck 70 ships can pair with 30 ships, you said rotation then now we found ONE fcking pseudi frigate joining for an operation and all of a sudden it is in the CSG? Dude, wake up!

Dumbo, it's wasn't me who said the LCS is joining the CSG, it's the 7th Fleet. Go challenge the 7th fleet if you want

On the other hand, I never even talked about pairing have to be 1 to 1, if you have any common sense, you would have already known this is impossible because the US does not have 72 Aircraft Carrier and 72 Cruiser to goes with the 72 Destroyer, you are arguing for a non-issue to begin with and ask me to wake up?

If your question is how 70 ship pair with 30 ships, my answer is 2 Destroyer or 3 to 1 LCS, as much as 5 destroyer pair with 1 cruiser. And if you never heard of the High-Low pairing in the Navy, that only mean you know shit about how navy operate.

 

[Han Patriot]

Dumbo, it's wasn't me who said the LCS is joining the CSG, it's the 7th Fleet. Go challenge the 7th fleet if you want

On the other hand, I never even talked about pairing have to be 1 to 1, if you have any common sense, you would have already known this is impossible because the US does not have 72 Aircraft Carrier and 72 Cruiser to goes with the 72 Destroyer, you are arguing for a non-issue to begin with and ask me to wake up?

If your question is how 70 ship pair with 30 ships, my answer is 2 Destroyer or 3 to 1 LCS, as much as 5 destroyer pair with 1 cruiser. And if you never heard of the High-Low pairing in the Navy, that only mean you know shit about how navy operate.

Even the new ratio is not correct if we use your NeW formula. Hahahahaahah. There was only ONE FRIGATE vs how many destroyers and cruisers in CSG? Fckkkkkk you are stupid. Count!

Where was the ratio before 2021? Haahaha. I never said anything about ratios, you said it and now is denying it. You said one 054B plus 052D against 1 Burke. Then i said what if you go against 055,you said then there is 1 LCS and Burke vs 055.gahaahahaha. You can't cure stupidity.

 

[jhungary]

Even the new ratio is not correct if we use your NeW formula. Hahahahaahah. There was only ONE FRIGATE vs how many destroyers and cruisers in CSG? Fckkkkkk you are stupid. Count!

Where was the ratio before 2021? Haahaha. I never said anything about ratios, you said it and now is denying it. You said one 054B plus 052D against 1 Burke. Then i said what if you go against 055,you said then there is 1 LCS and Burke vs 055.gahaahahaha. You can't cure stupidity.

What's with the ratio? Ratio depends on the actual need of the fleet, even Destroyer number may not be 5, depends on a CSG depending on the Carrier Deployment detail.

NO ONE HERE TALK ABOUT RATIO BUT YOU. And then you come out swinging and said everyone one is wrong but you? Tell me where did I even mention ratio in my first post?

Thew issue here is not whether or not Chinese Type 054B are more advance than FFGX (which is impossible to know as no FFGX was built yet). The issue here is where do you put it and how it work with the existing destroyer squadron. Because Frigate are supposed to be a jack of all trade companion for destroyer at sea.

As someone already pointed out,. 32 VLS probably not going to be enough for this role, because unlike the US Navy, where an Arleigh Burke have 90 cell (96 on later version) VLS and sub hunting is done with Romeo Hawk, which both are something Chinese don't have, as China do not have a good, dedicated platform for ASW and Chinese destroyer are only ~70 cell. Which mean there are going to be capability gap between the two.

I didn't even mention pairing, you talked about them first.....

Show me where I mentioned ratio and then where I denied that, I will apologise and admit I am a liar, otherwise you are a liar for saying stuff that I did not say.

Not show me who, you or me is a liar?

 

[Han Patriot]

What's with the ratio? Ratio depends on the actual need of the fleet, even Destroyer number may not be 5, depends on a CSG depending on the Carrier Deployment detail.

NO ONE HERE TALK ABOUT RATIO BUT YOU. And then you come out swinging and said everyone one is wrong but you? Tell me where did I even mention ratio in my first post?

I didn't even mention pairing, you talked about them first.....

Show me where I mentioned ratio and then where I denied that, I will apologise and admit I am a liar, otherwise you are a liar for saying stuff that I did not say.

Not show me who, you or me is a liar?

You just said 3-2-1 as the ratio and now you ask me what's with the ratio. You are a real genius mate. So bck to the topic, you accept sea control as a fleet concept now? And area concept? And admit you are dumb? Lololol.
I showed you the CSG roster, NO FRIGATES......

I showed you the definition of sea control. Area and FLEET DEPENDENT. AND you happily just proved my point.lol

 

[jhungary]

You just said 3-2-1 as the ratio and now you ask me what's with the ratio. You are a real genius mate. So bck to the topic, you accept sea control as a fleet concept now? And area concept? And admit you are dumb? Lololol.
I showed you the CSG roster, NO FRIGATES......

I didn't say 3 2 1 ratio, I said you cannot pair up 1 to 1 knowing the fact that US does not have 72 Cruiser and 72 Carrier. And IF YOU ASK, it would have been 2 or 3 destroyer to 1

On the other hand, I never even talked about pairing have to be 1 to 1, if you have any common sense, you would have already known this is impossible because the US does not have 72 Aircraft Carrier and 72 Cruiser to goes with the 72 Destroyer, you are arguing for a non-issue to begin with and ask me to wake up?

If your question is how 70 ship pair with 30 ships, my answer is 2 Destroyer or 3 to 1 LCS, as much as 5 destroyer pair with 1 cruiser. And if you never heard of the High-Low pairing in the Navy, that only mean you know shit about how navy operate.

Do you understand the meaning of "IF YOU ASK", mean, well, YOU ASKED. Which mean I didn't start that.

Man, you do like to take stuff out of the context and trim article to suit your need, and then you accuse me of being a liar? Lol, that's just gold

 

[MH.Yang]

lol, you lost the right to ask any questions when you did this

For those of you who didn't count. @Han Patriot argument change from

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There are no Frigate FOR A LONG TIME before LCS delivered in 2005 (above) - Which is false because US Navy had 71 OHP Class Frigate

Then his argument changed to there are no Frigate since 2015 when he was reminded OHP class exist - Which is false again as US Navy designated LCS serve as Frigate.

Then his argument then changed to LCS is not Frigate - Which is false once again as they were designated Frigate by Secretary of Navy since 2015 (Which mean the original point is already false because USN would have OHP class between 1986-2015 and LCS, designated as Frigate from 2015 - onward)

Then his argument is disregard what Ray Mabus said, LCS is NOT frigate when it was not originally called Frigate . - Well, I will let you all be the judge of that.....

A lot of profanity, but sure as hell fun to watch him trying to move the goal post......

In fact, are you even sure you want to stick to one point??

And if you don't know even destroyer did not pair up on Carrier on Carrier Battle Group 1 to 1.........and then you still ask the same question... Bruh. Carrier Battle group is not made up of 1 to 1 pairing, ie 1 Carrier to 1 Cruiser to 1 Destroyer to 1 Frigate to 1 Submarine. You do know that right? Seeing you said "It used to be Cruiser pairing up Destroyer"

The LCS's combat orientation lies in shelling targets on land, and it is distinctly different from a frigate.

The role of the frigate is anti-submarine, escort, guard, and patrol. None of these jobs are suitable for the LCS.

It is a gunboat.

 

[jhungary]

The LCS's combat orientation lies in shelling targets on land, and it is distinctly different from a frigate.

The role of the frigate is anti-submarine, escort, guard, and patrol. None of these jobs are suitable for the LCS.

It is a gunboat.

Freedom Class is designed exclusively for ASW

Admiral Gilday Explains LCS ASW and MCM Module Decisions - Naval News

U.S. Navy Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Michael Gilday at the CSIS webinar held on April 28, 2022 answered a question posed by Naval News on the status of the ASW and MCM Mission Modules for the LCS.

www.navalnews.com

Again, AB Class is a AWD (Air Warfare Destroyer) they don't need that much escort Anti-Air firepower

 

[Han Patriot]

The LCS's combat orientation lies in shelling targets on land, and it is distinctly different from a frigate.

The role of the frigate is anti-submarine, escort, guard, and patrol. None of these jobs are suitable for the LCS.

It is a gunboat.

No point arguing with this numbnumb. Lcs is a littoral ship and it is a failed program. This ship is not even in the CSG roster but boy wonder insists it is.

Boy wonder thinks one class of ship determines 'sea control'. Hahaahah, and he thinks sea control means global sea control.

I didn't say 3 2 1 ratio, I said you cannot pair up 1 to 1 knowing the fact that US does not have 72 Cruiser and 72 Carrier. And IF YOU ASK, it would have been 2 or 3 destroyer to 1



Do you understand the meaning of "IF YOU ASK", mean, well, YOU ASKED. Which mean I didn't start that.

Man, you do like to take stuff out of the context and trim article to suit your need, and then you accuse me of being a liar? Lol, that's just gold

Hey numb numb have you counted how many destroyers are there in th3 CSG and ONE FCKING FRIGATE? Your math is not even correct. Go count the number of destroyers and then come back and talk.

Btw, since 2021 only ONE LCS joined them for operations. What happened to your frigate to destroyer 'ratio' before 2021? A minesweeper can join a CSG for operations are you telling me a minesweeper is part of CSG 5 now numb numb??

All CSG5 ships are based in Japan, your LCS ships are all bases in continental US