China's military is improving but US still has more combat experience - Business Insider

[donkeykong]

A death toll of 100 million figure has been documented by the authors D.E. Stannard, author of American Holocaust, D.E. Stannard has said, "The destruction of the Indians of the Americas was, far and away, the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world." . And apparently it didn't take long for the Europeans to get this genocide started.

US was founded on stealing land from the original inhabitants and then enslaving africans to do all the hard work for them. US is pure evil to the core and thats why they wont last. US is declining rapidly every day. They dream of the 80s and 90s when they were unchallenged superpower.

 

[Oracle]

couldnt agree move , thats why armies go for military excercises to replicate war scenario

ever heard of "bandar k hath ma bandooq" , we have 2 major incidents

• Iran destrying civil airplane
• India destrying its own helicopter

this is because both armies are not trained to work under stressful environment. when to act and what to act in case of attack by other army.

So china needs some experience in such scenario. thats why china is doing war games.

 

[mmr]

Killing unarmed civilian is combat experience?

does sexual exploitation of arab man in prison counts? No one forgot how fat **** Americans tortured thousands in the name of war on terror.

If so yes Americans have plenty of experience.

 

[beijingwalker]

This is the first time US brags about their better " combat experience" to comfort their insecurity about their military capabilities.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Yeah I agree. U.S mil does not have the ooomph that it used to.
And that's fine by me.

When " combat exerience" is becoming the only strong point that US can brag about, it clearly shows the changing dynamic of the future world.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Of course nothing beats real combat. This begs the question : is getting involved a war worth it to enhance the combat experience of troops? The answer is really simple, which is of course not. If the US had a time machine, I will guarantee the military would want to go back to a time before they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. And the actual combat experience of fighting a war in Iraq or Afghanistan is another question ... a war between China and the US would be completely different than fighting Iraqi insurgents. So that alone degrades the combat experience argument.

Not entirely, there is no substitute for real world experience.

This holds true for everything, not just war.

 

[Figaro]

Not entirely, there is no substitute for real world experience.

This holds true for everything, not just war.

I'm just pointing out that some articles say the US has a decisive training edge over China because of the various wars fought by the US, which imo is bad reasoning because the nature of the conflict is so different. Of course, the US military will have a combat experience edge to some extent because of the various wars fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, but by how much? Remember the US was mainly dealing with insurgents in the past 20 years.

 

[Sharma Ji]

I'm just pointing out that some articles say the US has a decisive training edge over China because of the various wars fought by the US, which imo is bad reasoning because the nature of the conflict is so different. Of course, the US military will have a combat experience edge to some extent because of the various wars fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, but by how much? Remember the US was mainly dealing with insurgents in the past 20 years.

It's about the mindset, being mentally prepared to get into an armed conflict, conventional or counter insurgency. I imagine it's a lot different for everyone involved in the military machine when they're in actual combat as opposed to during exercises or war games/practice.

How much of an edge ? Hard to say. The Chinese are well equipped and a modern military too.

A limited naval skirmish would be interesting, on the water and in the air.

 

[gambit]

...a war between China and the US would be completely different than fighting Iraqi insurgents. So that alone degrades the combat experience argument.

That is a stupid argument. Desert Storm proved you wrong. And Desert Storm was not against 'insurgents' but against a conventional military.

Of course, everyone is going to chime in that China is not Iraq. But that is the point that made your argument stupid. If China is not Iraq, then is China the same as Afghanistan? No. China is the same as Iraq in the sense that the Iraq military and the PLA are organized conventionally and since Iraq fought conventionally, so WILL the PLA fight conventionally. It means there will be an air force vs another air force, a navy vs another navy, or even an army vs another army. In that sense, the US have at least one magnitude advantage over the PLA in terms of combat experience -- conventionally.

When " combat exerience" is becoming the only strong point that US can brag about, it clearly shows the changing dynamic of the future world.

Empty statement.

I don't US Is a fool to equate Chinese military capabilities with that of Taliban or Insurgents.

Look at it this way...

The fact that people in this forum continues to believe that the US will fight China the way we did against unorganized insurgents means it is they who are the real fools. Not US.

 

[Globenim]

India has 8000 years more combat experience than the U.S.A.

"Combat experience" is just a vapid political talking to cope with the massive material shift of balance in favour of China. Mouthbreathers just drop a bunch of anecdotes and more unsubstantiated opinions that convene with their already prexisting personal bias and unsubstantiated opinions.

 

[gambit]

If there is a US-China shooting fight, it is going to be in the South China SEA. What is a 'sea'? The last time I checked, a 'sea' is a body of WATER.

So for those who dismissed combat experience as a global value because for the past 20 yrs the US have been fighting only 'insurgents'...

Are y'all saying that right now, US admirals are calling up generals on how to conduct an insurgency warfare on the water?

Do y'all have any idea how stupid that sound?

 

[52051]

If there is a US-China shooting fight, it is going to be in the South China SEA. What is a 'sea'? The last time I checked, a 'sea' is a body of WATER.

So for those who dismissed combat experience as a global value because for the past 20 yrs the US have been fighting only 'insurgents'...

Are y'all saying that right now, US admirals are calling up generals on how to conduct an insurgency warfare on the water?

Do y'all have any idea how stupid that sound?

Before the Gulf war, most of the Iraq troop has 10+ years combat experience, far more than the US counterpart at that time.

 

[gambit]

Before the Gulf war, most of the Iraq troop has 10+ years combat experience, far more than the US counterpart at that time.

At the time of DS, the US military leadership, officer and NCO corps, were Vietnam War veterans. And that made the difference. It was under their leadership that the US military reassess its war and combat doctrines and essentially created a new military based upon lessons learned. That change was further supported by technologies. The end result was the rout that was DS.

But again, your avoidance of the fact that US-China shooting fight WILL on the water is indicative of your willful ignorance despite the abundance of public information about naval warfare. You are deluded by shiny toys whereas we are harsh assessors of ourselves. In the SCS, we WILL sink the PLAN.

 

[hualushui]

Western media have been brainwashing fools.
Chinese weapons are stolen from the United States. If China has stolen the United States for 20 years, and the United States cannot stop China, I suggest that the United States surrender as soon as possible.

At the time of DS, the US military leadership, officer and NCO corps, were Vietnam War veterans. And that made the difference. It was under their leadership that the US military reassess its war and combat doctrines and essentially created a new military based upon lessons learned. That change was further supported by technologies. The end result was the rout that was DS.

But again, your avoidance of the fact that US-China shooting fight WILL on the water is indicative of your willful ignorance despite the abundance of public information about naval warfare. You are deluded by shiny toys whereas we are harsh assessors of ourselves. In the SCS, we WILL sink the PLAN.

Since 1945, no naval battle has occurred in the US Navy. Then you said you have naval combat experience

 

[BHAN85]

In a hypothetical war between China vs USA combat experience it doesnt matter.
It matters SSBN (and Sosus) and nothing more.

And I think China is growing in that issue more fastly than USA in the last decade.

In a few years all USA SSBN will be useless (they are so old) and they dont have alternative yet.